The Comms Room - 2013-10-02 (page 3 of 5)

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4:03 PM

@JennyD D'awww. Well that brightened up my morning. =)

@RyanRies DO YOU EVEN PRO?!

Lol, part of an email I just got in my personal spam mail.

"When the government shuts down,Rib Crib fills you up!
Get a FREE appetizer until the government is back in business! "

@TheCleaner Never miss an opportunity.

SuperPower government too incapable to solve its own problems? Trillions of irreversible debt looming over a Romanesque collapse? Fuck it! EAT!

@Tanner Not registering the .com surprises me not at all. The state also spent $2.5M on a new datacenter for some mainframe systems that they ended up decommissioning before the DC was complete.

@Magellan ...wha?

@Wesley Indeed. Our government should be killed and eaten by smaller governments for showing weakness.

Hey Canada.... Eh?

4:09 PM

@Wesley Yeah. One of my friends was the Dev whose apps ended up being run from that DC once they converted it yet again for regular racks instead of the mainframes.

So CNN.com is reporting that Tom Clancy died...but in the article it says this...WTF?
"Clancy's 1984 novel "The Hunt for Red October" propelled him to fame, fortune and status as a favorite storyteller of the American military. Sean Connery and Harrison Ford brought the Cold War drama to life in the big screen in 1990."
-Harrison Ford? Really CNN?

@Magellan PLANNING AND FORESIGHT.

@TheCleaner SHHHH! Don't be mean! CNN is under a lot of stress with the government shutdown.

@voretaq7 I hear that now's a good time to invade the USA and burn down the White House... again.

@TheCleaner Did they seriously confuse Harrison Ford and Alec Baldwin?

@TheCleaner Why should a complete lack of fact-checking surprise you? Most of the people still working in the press were babies when that movie came out. Everyone else has been laid off as too expensive.

@voretaq7 Here Canada, Canada, Canada! WHO'S A GOOD BOY? HOOZ UH GEWD BOI!! UR A GOOD BOY Eat up Minnesota and North Dakota like a good Canada...

4:11 PM

@Magellan 2/3 correct, good enough for CNN.

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Hey, if Canada eats Minnesota, will we finally be rid of the Koch brothers?

@MikeyB Apparently. I mean Clear and Present Danger was the better movie IMO, but Baldwin played Jack Ryan well enough.

@Dan What netboot options are you passing to the device?

@Magellan :) so you are saying they should have ended the sentence with "there were lots of AK47's in the movie".

4:13 PM

@TheCleaner And it really won't reduce his administrative tasks, he's still got two separate domains to manage. Want to change desktop settings? Do it twice. Need to audit? Do it twice.

Michael Hampton

Be careful with those invasion plans, people... we still have guns.

@Wesley Seems unlikely given that they have lots of stuff going on in Canada. If anything they might fund the invasion.

@MichaelHampton yeah, but how many gun nutters know how to USE their guns?

@MichaelHampton But teh gunz kills peoples and they have to be bannified! Large clips, barrel shroud, murmer murmer

who are the Koch brothers ?

4:15 PM

@Iain It's better that you didn't know...

@voretaq7 aren't they just point and click?

The Koch family ( ) of industrialists and businessmen is most notable for its control of Koch Industries, the second largest privately owned company in the United States. The family business was started by Fred C. Koch, who developed a new cracking method for the refinement of heavy oil into gasoline. Fred's four sons litigated against each other over their interests in the business during the 1980s and 1990s. David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch — the two brothers still with Koch Industries — are affiliated with the Koch family foundations. Annual revenues for Koch Industries have been "e...

@MichaelHampton finally your gun laws make sense again

@Zoredache ...and thats how people shoot their feet off.

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 All of them... It's the DEA agents that don't know how to use them.

4:16 PM

@Iain A couple of guys with too much money.

@MichaelHampton And New York cops.

@MichaelHampton mmhmm, not the way I see them being carried stuffed into waistbands (seriously. DaFUQ?!)

@voretaq7 Heh. The state's $1B in debt after having had a $1B surplus just a few years before. Nothing surprises me. They're so desperate to raise funds that they're trying anything, including putting tolls on roads that were paid off decades ago, and most of these effors actually ends up costing the state more than they ever get back.

@Magellan tolls aren't for paying for roads dude

I mean seriously, look at New York

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Michael Hampton

4:19 PM

@voretaq7 Those arent "gun nuts"... they're just idiots.

And criminals.

@TheCleaner We're broke. We have no operating budget. We can't USE any of it.

The Canadians can just come down from Canukistan and TAKE our fighter jets and tanks!

@voretaq7 So why do all the "Cops fired 40 rounds and hit nothing but bystanders" stories always come from NYPD?

(goddamn flippy-headed TERRORISTS)

@Magellan It's NYC. No one is innocent.

@Magellan because the NYPD is a bunch of badly trained incompetents, kept afloat by a few thousand competent, dedicated officers.

4:21 PM

@Magellan "And you get a bullet! And you! And you!"

@Wesley and the DOOR gets 30 bullets!

@voretaq7 That door was totally conspiring to commit mayhem!

@MichaelHampton they're the first ones to shriek about their second-amendment right to have that gun

@voretaq7 Oh right. I've lived Out West for too long. I keep forgetting that incompetence is a treasured but seemingly unlimited resource on your coast.

(having never actually read any part of the constitution of course - like most people who shriek and invoke the constitution in defense of their personal stupidity)

4:22 PM

@Magellan You've never been to the Willamette Valley have you... =P

@Magellan SHUT THE FUCK UP OR I'M SENDING YOU TO THE STUPID MINES FOR YOUR INSOLENCE!

@voretaq7 whatever. I've seen Iron Eagle enough as a kid to know that I can round up a few friends in Members Only jackets and sneak onto an air base, forge some flight plans and weapons procurement, and go to work on those folks in the north.

You'll answer nothing but SuperUser questions!

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Never seen that.

@voretaq7 I went to SuperUser once. It was awful. Then I realized it was just ServerFault with a blue logo.

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4:23 PM

theregister.co.uk/2013/10/02/knives_out_for_gates

I just love the title.

@MichaelHampton Turn on the TV after a well-publicized shooting and wait for them to bring on a "second amendment defender"

invariably they find a gun nut rather than a rational individual

@Wesley AskUbuntu is annoying though. They have a nasty habit of closing Ubuntu-specific Infrastructure questions with a NARQ because they don't understand the question there.

@Magellan Ubuntu and Infrastructure don't belong in the same sentence.

@Magellan "Closed because: IT'S HARRRRDDD"

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 What do you expect from TV news? That shit will rot your brain.

@voretaq7 Says the man with an Ubuntu infrastructure.

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4:27 PM

@voretaq7 Go on and play with your oddball code libraries, FreeBSD Boy.

^ WAT DERFAK

@MichaelHampton you can use radio or print media too/

@Wesley I don't have an ubuntu infrastructure.

@voretaq7 Everyone knows Prison Planet is the only source of truth!

@voretaq7 squints

@voretaq7 So what did you move all those laptops to?

@Wesley we sell a product built on top of Ubuntu. Our infrastructure is FreeBSD.

4:28 PM

@voretaq7 Technicalities.

@Magellan They're actually going to be replaced by iPads in the next hardware iteration.

@Wesley I don't manage the Ubuntu machines. I publish patches for them (using radmind not that gay ass package mangler), and if anything goes wrong the answer is "Reinstall it"

@voretaq7 Gay ass-package.

@Wesley That's the correct one, I think.

@voretaq7 So Ubuntu is Windows with bash?

APT - Asshole Package Thingy

Michael Hampton

4:29 PM

Gay ass-package mangler.

@voretaq7 You have some very strange prejudices.

@Wesley To be honest, it's Windows with dash. /bin/sh points to dash in Ubuntu and Debian.

@Magellan I'm a very strange man

@Magellan That's because Ubuntu sucks.

But 5 years ago it sucked less than any other Linux (for desktop deployment)

That reminds me, I wiped my grandmother's laptop with Vista on it and put Ubuntu on it... like years ago. She's still on 8.04. Happy, but still... I'm thinking her next lappy will get Mint.

@Wesley Just give the old biddy Windows 8

after she beats you to death with a wooden spoon you can be the poster child for Windows Usability :)

4 mins ago, by Magellan

@voretaq7 Go on and play with your oddball code libraries, FreeBSD Boy.

4:31 PM

@voretaq7 Last Windows she had she got tricked into installing "Super Anti-Spy Virus Mangler 2010!!" So no.

@Magellan I don't have any oddball code libraries. MY libc doesn't break the ABI on patchlevel changes ;-D

@Magellan Yeah, but are they gay ass-mangling code libraries?

@Wesley libperl.so?

@mfinni GET RIPPPPPPPED!!

@voretaq7 I'm actually okay with Windows 8. So the Start Menu is now the Start Screen and the search isn't unified anymore (until 8.1). Also there are the "Metro" apps, which I never use because I'm on a desktop. It's not a big deal.

4:33 PM

Who posted that "Gabe's nipples controller" comic? I can't seem to find it in the star wall archive.

@Wesley Backsquat PR by 20 pounds today. For those not tracking my workouts, that would be 355 pounds.

@jscott It's from CTRL+ALT+DEL

@84104 Windows 8 encourages people to touch the monitor

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If you touch my monitor I will stab you in the throat.

@84104 ty, ty

@jscott cad-comic.com/cad/20130930

4:34 PM

@voretaq7 touch

@84104 0_o

@voretaq7 yeah, you're just jealous. Your job would probably be easier if you weren't doing horrible things to your OS and using a package manager as intended.

@Wesley . . . you're a cat. Your punishment is far worse.

So, I decided to approach askubuntu because I was curious ...and come across this question

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Q: how do i get root?? bugg fix on the way?

i have sett root password and when i login root i dot get root privileges is there a fix for this bugg? i have try on other ubuntu laptop same problem.. hopping there is a way too fix this problem already tryed i have try make root user sett password and it do not give me root privileges i hav...

root-permission

@Magellan Um, no. No it wouldn't be.

4:35 PM

I then closed the tab...never to look back.

@voretaq7 What's the funny look for? That was on the star wall... Monday? It's old news.

@voretaq7 3 years. Not one single problem with Apt.

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@Magellan We used apt for 3 years, it was quite literally nothing but misery. Our users deferred updates to the point where their machines broke horribly, we had at least one support call a week where the machine had to be shipped back here to be reinstalled.

Since switching to radmind for deploying patches to the field units I have had exactly one machine wind up bricked (and that was a known condition, the users were told their machine had to be sent here to be upgraded, and didn't listen)

@84104 I was on vacation and not exposed to your depravity.

@voretaq7 Lesson learned. You should never leave.

4:37 PM

@voretaq7 I was not the original poster. Though I did get it independently from the same source.

@voretaq7 Seriously, dude. I supported social workers and had fewer problems than you do. Some of those people don't even know how to type.

I'm pretty sure the problem is your users.

they're doctors.
So yes.

@voretaq7 That's not Canonical's or Apt's fault.

@Magellan they claim their software is suitable for end users.

I mirrored their apt repository byte-for-byte, and let our end users utilize their update manager tools

things broke.

@voretaq7 Yes, it is. It works just fine for 500 social workers. You letting the users have admin rights is the actual problem there.

4:40 PM

@Magellan they don't have admin rights

literally THE ONLY THING they can do besides change network and date/time settings as an admin is run the update thingy that pops up on the desktop

and that resulted in bricked machines

they have no terminal. they have no file manager. Their web browser doesn't even have a "Save this page" function.

@voretaq7 Oh, I remember this. This is the one where you guys were trying to do remote upgrades which included a Grub upgrade.

That's why I always QA'd updates before I had our equipment update.

@Magellan that's when I finally scrapped apt yes - when it broke, reliably, on the second reboot of every machine.

@Magellan Users who don't know how to type don't issue the wrong commands.

@84104 You'd think so. They can mess up a lot of stuff with just a mouse and not even need superuser access.

@Magellan I fucking mirrored the whole apt repo and updated our office units from that before letting it near the production environment - it doesn't get much more "QA'd" than that...

4:43 PM

"The Window is missing."

@voretaq7 Dunno, dude. My QA process caught that one. I excluded Grub from the updates and it went fine after that.

@Magellan Our QA process caught it too - but excluding shit from updates isn't the solution.

the solution is a fucking update process that works. every time.

Excluding things from updates is how you wind up with "RedHat Enterprise Linux 15, but it's running Kernel 2.0.12 because we have the kernel pinned at that version for some reason nobody remembers"

@voretaq7 I think you're being ridiculous. You're effectively saying that it's "doing it wrong" if you pin your system to a known-good version of a package. And if you're doing 'dist-ugprade' unattended, you're just high. That 'should' be a send it in.

@voretaq7 Ubuntu lifecycle doesn't last that long. And the hyperbole is making me doubt your case even further.

@Magellan I'm saying there's no valid reason for me to have to pin the bootloader, updating it should not destroy my system. Pinning it is a non-solution (it prevents the problem by potentially leaving other problems).

And if I told my CEO "Every machine has to come back to us every time there's a software upgrade" HE'D be telling me I was high. (And frankly so would the customers.)

@voretaq7 Well, dunno what to tell you, mate. I still think the problem is there with your hardware and your users. I worked with deployments 10x or more larger than yours that had fewer problems.

4:52 PM

@Magellan Bottom line man - apt may work for you. It was utterly unsuitable for this company, deploying to our customers. I have better things to do than spend my time dealing with "Why did the upgrade brick this machine" every couple of weeks.

I like vmware's template system...sysprep on a server and I have a template to deploy others

Now I only have to deal with the annoying upgrade shit once, and the push "Just Works" when I send it to our clients

@voretaq7 Then I would kindly appreciate you not directly blaming the technology.

@Magellan What should I blame? The core problem I have is the vendor claims "this just works", and it did not "just work"

@voretaq7 Well, if it "just works" for 1,000 customers and it doesn't work for you, is it their fault?

4:54 PM

we'll have to agree to disagree on that not being a flaw in the packages being distributed because frankly you yourself said you blocked the grub upgrade because it broke your environment too.

@Magellan Yes. I'm the customer and I reserve the right to have the (IMHO not-unreasonable) expectation that the vendor's "just works" solution will "just work" for me and my users. Especially when I'm taking reasonable precautions (mirrored, QA'd repo) to make sure I don't accidentally accept a bad release

@voretaq7 How much you paying for that support contract?

Windows Updates "Just Work" in far more fucked up situations than mine - if I would prefer to ship Windows there's a problem/

@Magellan If Canonical offered one I'd have advised purchasing it.

Unfortunately none of their contracts would cover our particular use case (at least back when we looked which was probably 4-5 years ago) - we're not "one big company", we're a vendor.

@voretaq7 They have a awhile now. Perhaps not when the 9.10 > 10.04 upgrade moved to Grub 2 though. And as near as I can tell, nobody actually recommends using 'dist-upgrade'.

@Magellan their magic "Install the new release script" (I don't remember what it's called) isn't recommended?

then why is it included?

@voretaq7 Same can be said of RedHat.

5:00 PM

do-release-update I think it is? It's in my notes.

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Yeah, that's a totally different, Ubuntu-specific script. No idea what it does.

@MichaelHampton It changes the sources.list file to point to the new version's repo, if memory serves.

@Magellan It does a few other things too

@voretaq7 probably does. I don't use it since too much crap is left lying around when replacing 1300+ packages.

Michael Hampton

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Q: Why is it so difficult to upgrade between major versions of Red Hat and CentOS?

"Can we upgrade our existing production EL5 servers to EL6?" A simple-sounding request from two customers with completely different environments prompted my usual best-practices answer of "yes, but it will require a coordinated rebuild of all of your systems"... Both clients feel that a complet...

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5:03 PM

@MichaelHampton it calls apt-get dist-upgrade after updating the sources.list files.

It actually does a decent job of cleaning up - but it's immaterial because it is *The Blessed Way* to do an in-place upgrade and *It Broke The World*. That should NEVER happen and if you're saying it should we'll just never agree.

For me it doesn't matter - if that destroys the universe I do a clean install and push the new image from that instead. The tool being broken is an inconvenience that says entirely within MY company and doesn't hurt our clients which is what counts.

Michael Hampton

@Zoredache Hell, I could do that myself, if I wanted to break my system. I don't need a script for that.

@MichaelHampton But this is what the Ubuntu docs tell you to do.

@MichaelHampton The script adds lots of error checking as well, since nobody ever read the release notes about disabling pinning, and unofficial repositories.

@voretaq7 Upgrading to a development release is not recommended for production environments.

Which is highlighted in the page you just linked to.

And yeah, dist-ugprade is just high.

5:06 PM

@Magellan I did NOT upgrade to a "development" release

Michael Hampton

@voretaq7 Yes, I know, and it's horribly broken.

@voretaq7 So what were you upgrading to, then since Grub isn't updated between releases?

Or was it the dist-upgrade?

@Magellan I upgraded from the previous mainline supported release to the current one

@Magellan grub was updated between the 8.04 and 10.04 lts.

from the legacy to the 2.x series.

@voretaq7 Yeah, that's why I prefer custom ISO with kickstarts and a proper config management setup.

5:08 PM

@Magellan that's basically what we have now, just over a WAN.

@Zoredache 9.10 was still the old one. 10.04 got the new one.

@Zoredache I'm pretty sure our upgrade-from-hell was 8.04 to 10.04

@voretaq7 Yeah, 10.04 just sucked in general though due to Shuttleworth's stupidity. They went full retard with all the social media integration.

@voretaq7 I think that is also the version that got rid of all the /dev/hd* devices and started using UUID naming.

which broke lots of boot-loader configs.

@Zoredache Yeah - that didn't cause us any trouble though because we knew about it

I still honestly have NO CLUE what the hell that upgrade broke - we wound up clean-slating to 10.04

5:11 PM

@voretaq7 As it should be. Still think you threw out the baby with the bath water though.

all I know is it upgraded, rebooted once, everything worked. Reboot again, everything broke forever (like you couldn't even get it to give you a text terminal).

@Magellan Once bitten, not enough resources to be twice shied. I have a system I know will work across major versions now, and I don't have to worry about "What if this hospital doesn't install 12.04 before 14.04 comes out - will the world end?"

@voretaq7 What I don't understand is how that got through your QA canary process. I found that out on the first set of PCs 10.04 touched.

@Magellan It DIDN'T

Michael Hampton

Why couldn't you just give them FreeBSD?

That update was never released to clients - in fact it blocked the release for 3 months because we found it in testing and wasted I-don't-know-how-many man hours trying to figure out why the fuck it would break on the second reboot.

@MichaelHampton Have you ever tried to configure a FreeBSD desktop for end users? That would seriously be more pain than all the trouble I've had with Ubuntu :-/

Michael Hampton

5:14 PM

@voretaq7 Hm, OK, you make a good point.

@voretaq7 Frankly, dealing with Windows laptops is easier than any Linux laptop.

We thought about converting to PC-BSD but it still wasn't mature enough (and the whole thing is going away & being replaced with iPads in the next hardware cycle).

@Magellan Agreed - but that brings its own problems too. At least when shit breaks on a *nix platform I can fix it. It may make me want to cockpunch Shuttleworth wearing a spiked glove, but I can fix it :-)

Also it seems like it's harder to do vetted Windows updates when the machines are outside your network (WSUS & stuff are great internally, but these machines are all on someone else's network - IDK how distributing updates to all those machines would work).

@voretaq7 Ah, I keep forgetting that you're a 1 person shop.

@voretaq7 I'm sure @MDMarra could tell us all about it.

@Magellan Even if I were fully staffed I'd be more comfortable continuing to ship Ubuntu with some kind of modified fail-safe update process

for all of its problems it's still a decent Desktop Linux (Mint is probably better but that didn't exist back then)

Is anyone here administrating a Hadoop cluster? I'm wondering if shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920025085.do is a good read

5:19 PM

Our biggest problem still is Users Don't Upgrade - and with Windows that means there's all sorts of holes for malware to get into :-/

@faker I've played with them but not run one in production :-/

@voretaq7 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there's mechanisms to force that.

@Magellan I know there are on a LAN

Thank you @voretaq7, this has been a wonderful distraction from the unpleasant necessity of filling out a bunch of goddamn forms for this recruiter.

It's that whole "it's at the hospital, on a network behind their firewall" bit (and the "we need to vet all the updates" bit - otherwise I'd just say "Automatically install updates")

Much appreciated.

5:21 PM

@Magellan recruiting, or being recruited?

@voretaq7 our cluster just got into production but we have almost no experience in our team yet. Hmm the book is 50% off today, I guess I'll buy it

@voretaq7 being recruited. It's an Insight Global position, so I'm not at all enthused about working for them.

@Magellan Insight Global? Blah. Just scribble on it in blue crayon.

(They'll probably still give you an offer)

@voretaq7 Considering skipping the managerial references part.

I hate dealing with this crap. At least my regular recruiter takes care of that shit for me.

@faker It has a guinea pig on the cover - how bad could it be?!

(the index actually looks like there's some interesting content in chapters 4-11)

I wouldn't expect much from their troubleshooting chapter - I always seem to have "The problem nobody else had that isn't in the book"

5:24 PM

@voretaq7 yep and $18 is ok

So, Gents, if you went through an interview process and some of the interviewers were surly and argumentative to the point of being abusive, would you respond to the recruiter to that effect when you get the email indicating that they're not going to make you an offer?

For $18 I might buy it! :P

@Magellan Yes. In fact I might respond with "Honestly even if they offered me $500k/yr I wouldn't have taken it - those guys were kind of assholes..."

@voretaq7 e-book version, use "DEAL" coupon, expires today I think

hmm, I really prefer dead trees...

and that knocks off the shipping which is pretty decent still :P

@Magellan I would, absolutely. I always give recruiters feedback on their clients.

5:26 PM

@Wesley Right, this one is an internal recruiter, not a contracting company.

not from US to EU ;)

@Magellan I still do though - recruiters can be insulated from the teams their recruiting for.

But I'm a chatty Cathy, and I always tell people about things no matter what. =P

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THINGS @MAGELLAN!

Let's talk about apt @Magellan, I hear it sucks...

=P

@Wesley @Magellan Oh it's not JUST apt :-D

@voretaq7 See, I have the advantage in this conversation. I hate everything.

Even the FreeBSD package manager is made of weapons-grade suck

5:29 PM

@voretaq7 I noticed.

@Wesley I have a special loathing in my heart for Win9x "Add/Remove Programs"

@Wesley @voretaq7 is like the anti-Mikey. He doesn't like anything.

@voretaq7 Yes but is it a gay ass-package mangler?

@Wesley no, it doesn't really "mangle"

Behold the patron saint of The Comms Room:

5:30 PM

It's more "I wrote down where your files went on this post-it note in /var/pkg - try not to lose that, ok?"

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@voretaq7 So have you or will you be switching to Gentoo?

@Zoredache Arch, dawg!

@Zoredache I'm not enough of a ricer for Gentoo - I don't want to bolt a spoiler onto the laptops and put big chrome pipes on the heat sink exhaust :P

@Magellan And that is just a cruel lie. I like money.

@Wesley Yeah, I shouldn't be surprised though. Any company that brings one of their bridge-troll senior engineers into an initial interview on zero notice without even giving them an opportunity to read the resume' is insane.

5:31 PM

@voretaq7 Gentoo is like BSD, but with a better package manger, a dumber userbase and a phobia of providing its own compiled kernel.

@voretaq7 but with Gentoo you get to skip the package manager and just go with the source.

@84104 So, BSD, plus something I don't care much about, minus all the things I like? Advantage: Windows!

@voretaq7 Something like that.

@Zoredache The improvements in FreeBSD ports in the last few years have grown on me honestly. This year we're finally switching away from a custom-built Apache.

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Q: Deleting the default vlan on HP Procurve 5406 switch

I´ve tried to delete the default vlan on the switch multiple times, via CLI and using the menu options by Telnet, but it keep showing the message= "The default VLAN cannot be deleted". There are no ports assigned on that vlan. ¿Is there a way to delete it?

Why would one want to delete default VLAN on the switch?

5:37 PM

@DanilaLadner maybe they have such a complex network they have reached the 64 vlan limit or whatever it is on that model of HP switch?

so they need that extra vlan to make things work?

@DanilaLadner . . . no good reason I can think of

@Zoredache So why not just use the default vlan as that extra vlan?

@voretaq7 Exactly, i just never heard of someone removing default vlan on network gear.

@voretaq7 because, reasons? You don't really expect me to understand the insanity? I just like to speculate from the outside.

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@Zoredache Sounds to me like stupid auditor tricks.

plus if you use vtp transparent correctly you do not need to run into 64 limits

5:41 PM

@Zoredache huff some paint and bang your head on the wall until you understand the users!

What the fuck, HP? It's a fucking SWITCH:

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damn construction/accidents

2 hours almost to drive to work this morning

@MikeyB PRETTIEST SWITCH AT THE DANCE!

no... 2+ hours

@Magellan that's a possibility.

5:43 PM

@voretaq7 It's that shitty-ass captcha. This is a V1910, not a procurve :( :( :( My options for CLI are limited to:

  initialize  Delete the startup configuration file and reboot system
  ipsetup     Assign an IP address to VLAN-interface 1
  password    Specify password of local user
  ping        Ping function
  quit        Exit from current command view
  reboot      Reboot system/board/card
  summary     Display summary information of the device.
  telnet      Establish one TELNET connection
  upgrade     Upgrade the system boot file, the Boot ROM program or the PoE
              program

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* Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.          *
* Without the owner's prior written consent,                                 *
* no decompiling or reverse-engineering shall be allowed.                    *
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@MikeyB I have never logged on to the switch through WUI

@MikeyB . . . and does it make you enter a captcha for every CLI command? :-)

i am a dinosaur.

LOL @ login banner... so if I own the switch, I can reverse engineer it?

NICE THANKS HP

REBOOT f5cky0uHP

5:45 PM

@voretaq7 There aren't any useful CLI commands except for ipsetup

@MikeyB reboot is useful!

saves you having to trip the power at the PDU :-)

@MikeyB Nice. I think my old D-Link 48-port units were better than that.

Today's lesson: Just because it's an HP switch doesn't mean it's a Procurve. HP-V1910, you fail me.

Tweeted by Supermathie on September 27, 2013 at 10:08 PM

@MikeyB Y U MADE OF FAIL SWITCH?

@DanilaLadner Wait, what? You're too young to be a dinosaur. You get those with 20 years of service.

5:46 PM

@MikeyB You know whats worse then it being a v1910 or procure? It is when your HP switch is a comware switch (3com acquisition).

@Magellan hypothetically speaking.

@Zoredache That's what the V1910 is. 3COM/comware

@MikeyB I pretty much abandoned ProCurve after the 3COM acquisition. =(

3 HAWT 4 COM

@MikeyB is it? the commands you mentioned above doesn't look like the comware set of commands.

plus HP Mesh is a fucking hell

5:50 PM

@Zoredache The firmware image is a 7zipped archive with a file: comware.elf.bin

@MikeyB Well there's your problem. You have midgets in your firmware.

/me shrugs

Anyone using Juniper switches?

@MikeyB ProCurve models starting with a letter are actually rebranded 3Com models.

@Wesley The original ProCurve equipment is still just as good as ever... You just have to watch for that 3Com crap...

@Wesley Pay Cisco prices buy not get the name? Are you crazy?

@ChrisS I've seen more firmware bugs creeping in the original line since 3COM was acquired. I don't think they've done a good job of keeping tandem firmware teams.

@ChrisS Just as good as Cisco, and I don't get my chain yanked by their abusive channel partners? Sign me up! =P

5:56 PM

@Wesley Until the C-Levels ask why you paid so much for a "no name brand"

@ChrisS Yeah, there's that... =(

Don't get me wrong - heard great things about Juniper...

ermagerd... web requests for data from the switch are actually GET/POST requests with a xml file urlencoded into the query string... puke

The actual binary that the switch runs has all the CLI magic embedded it in it, but disabled.

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