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9:00 PM

@AaronCopley Yeah, thats cheap as dirt, less that the price on 1 voucher

@ChrisS that's not a good test.

@Jacob Sadly, it's definitely not a remote. And insurance policy dictates that you have to be 18+. Working in a homeless shelter is some seriously crazy shit.

only actually firing the death star's weapons is a good test :-D

I'd say it could be a good buy... but how many times have you bought a tech book and it's complete garbage? I'd look for reviews first. There may be a reason they are selling at 92% off.

At 92% off they're hoping for a ton of "yea, sure, why not?" revenue.

If he's going to do it, I'd put money on him being better off just using the net and buying something like CBT Nuggets or TrainSignal

9:03 PM

@Adrian Really your office is in the same building? If it wasn't remote I couldn't do it. I don't own an SR-71 to commute to work :)

Those "e-learning packages" tend to be garb IMHO

@Jacob That's what we do here. Housing, mental health, and clinical services for vulnerable homeless adults.

@Adrian I'd figure you'd be away from all of that? in a seperate area

@Jacob Our offices are, but the padawan and hardware techs go "on site" all the time to fix oddball stuff. Our internal customers don't know their backsides from a hole in the ground for anything that carries electrons.

@voretaq7 Ok; do the good test, just enter rm /. Heck, try it as a non-privlidged user, shouldn't bork your system that way at least... What'd that return anyway?

9:07 PM

Ugh. Community computer labs are the worst

@Holocryptic I wouldn't touch it without full hazmat gear

@ChrisS @voretaq7 What the heck are you two trying to do?

@ChrisS I'll spin up a VM later :)

@Jacob Pretty much. And good luck trying to keep the computers functioning.

actually I have one here

9:08 PM

@Holocryptic I believe OSX has FreeBSD's rm utility; so it will not execute rm /

wait nope - no bootable media found. I'll spin one up later.

:P

Ah

@Holocryptic Yeah, it's icky. My hardware tech does amazing things with SteadyState from a software perspective though.

ooh, dev environment

[mgraziano@app02 ~]$ sudo rm -rf /
Password:
rm: "/" may not be removed

@Adrian Steady state is deprecated

9:09 PM

@voretaq7 SEE! TOLD YOU SO. =P

@Jacob I know. The client lab is still running XP.

trigger guard: it works (

FreeBSD app02.dev 8.1-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p8 #7: Thu Jan 26 15:12:54 EST 2012 root@SYSBUILDER.dev:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ph-amd64  amd64

)

@ChrisS now you go try it on Ubuntu (no great loss to humanity)

@voretaq7 it's been in GNU rm for years.

@PeterGrace i'm... not surprised

@Adrian I'd rather remove my tonsils with typhoid Mary's rusty straight razor than deal with that.

9:11 PM

makes you wish that everyone used version control since the advent of software.

@voretaq7 I like Ubuntu. Centos is going downhill and sci linux isn't on many vm templates

@PeterGrace fuck version control. Hack live on the production box!

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@Jacob Heathen.

MS flight released

haha, yeah, I downloaded it and played it for a bit yesterday.

I'll stick with flight simulator, thanks.

@voretaq7 Oh hi. You must be a developer.

9:14 PM

@ScottPack RE-TIRED!

@voretaq7 I was re-tired earlier today. Then I made another pot of coffee. I expect to be re-tired again in a few hours.

Next time you're having a bad day. Remember, you're not this guy: wxii12.com/news/30587697/detail.html

@Jacob We set it up once in 2006. It has worked without any major problems since then and only the occasional patch updates. It's been quite bulletproof.

@voretaq7 I am pretty sure I saw @sysadmin1138 do a refund at one point in time, but it may have been before the bounty ended.

@AaronCopley ha, that's pretty terrible. For lots of reasons.

9:17 PM

@Adrian Are the computer just for web browsing / email?

@Jacob Ubuntu sucks. More than others, less than some.

What a good looking man that is.

@Jacob Yeah. Basic resume' typing and job page browsing stuff.

Honestly, we pulled Ubuntu 10.04 OUT of the client labs and moved them to XP with SteadyState. I wouldn't have a leg to stand if I'd disagreed. Every indicator was in favor of going that way.

@Adrian Linux + wine for office compatibility?

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9:19 PM

Hold on a second, who said 98 was good?

and someone left out 2000

98SE wasn't that bad

and nt4

consumer vs not consumer

I dunno about 95 being worse than 3.1

3.1 was revolutionary though

9:20 PM

NT and 2k where not consumer releases

@PeterGrace I think they mean at the time of the release, or shortly thereafter, it was considered good.

@tombull89 I can't comment on anything below XP but seems correct

@ChrisS 98 felt like 95 with a new version of IE to me.

Yeah; 3.1 was a huge step; 95, not so much... more of a building block for 98

At the time of release windows 95 wasn't that bad.

9:21 PM

@Jacob Nope. Not stable. Plus a major benefit was familiarization with a common consumer OS. Many of those folks have never owned their own computer before.

98 was my first OS, we had to go to 98SE to get mum's camera driver working.

Yeah, shit, I loved 95

I beta'd 95!

@Zoredache I think that's skewed by the fact that none of those were all that good either.

@PeterGrace Hey, we still have a few diehards here at the office on 98SE. Works just fine.

It was awesome, in the 95 beta, if you clicked the "Run" button on the start menu, the computer would hard freeze. Every time.

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9:22 PM

@Zoredache 's definitely possible that it exists - I didn't look very hard :)

@PeterGrace Microsoft list that as by design?

@Adrian on the internet?

@AaronCopley He could have at least tried one of the large denominations that actually exist; like the $500, $1,000, $5,000, and $10,000

@Adrian you have a 98SE box in your workplace? You know it's extremely insecure, right?

@tombull89 s/GOOD/SHIT/g; # FTFY

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^^^ Does this gentleman look like the kind of guy to employ logic?

9:23 PM

@Jacob Technically, yes. But they don't bother. They do their facebook'ing on the smartphones.

@PeterGrace Looks like a web programmer.... Draw your own conclusions.

@PeterGrace yes

I really would think of him more as a "Shoot from the hip" type personality, myself.

@PeterGrace I did a double take. Looks like one of the guys living upstairs.

@PeterGrace As opposed to the Window 8 Beta/CP which makes your brain freeze instead.

9:24 PM

I haven't run CP yet, any better than the DP?

@Adrian How is it not getting raped? How long has it been since an update?

@ChrisS They exist, but banks pull them from circulation whenever they show up.

@Adrian if you notice him bringing home a lot of inkjet printers, you've got your man.

I still have a few $2 bills

Now it's really just collectors.

people don't believe they exist anymore.

9:24 PM

@AaronCopley I'm aware. But theres thousands of them out there still

@PeterGrace Last time I tried to spend one they wouldn't take it. LOL

@PeterGrace I dunno. I don't touch those things anymore. If it's not a server, it's not my responsibility.

@tombull89 Yeah I want a tablet UI on a tablet and a desktop UI on a Desktop. Not a Microsoft inovation

HOLY

Once we get our 2nd 2k8r2 WTS box in place though, they're all going to Windows terminal sessions through thin clients.

9:25 PM

Check this machine out guys

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I want one.

@PeterGrace My grandpa in law orders straps of them from the bank to give away at Christmas. You can get a brick too.

@ChrisS I thought they weren't actively in circulation anymore? That's pretty rad.

When I worked at a bank a few years ago, we still got the occasional new stack of $2s. At least I think they were new. I don't remember the print year.

@PeterGrace Yep, they're in circulation... There's more of them than $10 bills.

For those that've never seen one:

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@ChrisS wow, learn something new everyday.

9:28 PM

Everyone thinks they're rare; so they horde them.

I'm glad I was too busy laughing at the $1M dollar bill guy to form proper sentences. English fail is now immortalized by the star.

But when you start asking people; you'll find that I've got 17 of them in a jar at home; and other people have them too...

@PeterGrace We got rid of note currency for values under $5 about 20 years ago

It's been really good

We also dont have 1c or 2c denominations

I'm waiting for the credit chips like from Babylon 5.

@MarkHenderson ew. That just means more coins. I hate coins

9:29 PM

@Holocryptic Our notes are also different colours so you can tell what they are at a simple glance

We need to get rid of anything smaller than 25¢ and switch from dollar bills to dollar coins.

5 = purple, 10 = blue, 20 = red, 50 = babyshit yellow, 100 = green

@PeterGrace I'm waiting for somebody to hack my wallet's hypervisor.

Coins are evil. They're bulky and heavy.

@MarkHenderson red/green colorblind == mean

9:30 PM

@Holocryptic Good hanging out yesterday, by the way. That beer was tasty but left a nasty headache.

@JeffFerland heh. I can't wait till T-MO gets their shit together and lets me run google wallet on my SGS 2

@JeffFerland The 100 is substantially larger than the 20 :p

@MarkHenderson Our large money used to be orange on the back IIRC. And in recent years we've been doing multiple colors.

So you have size to go on a swell

As long as your currency is all the same size; I hate that lower denominations are physically smaller crap.

9:31 PM

@AaronCopley Yeah, good time here as well. Sounds like you need to drink more water :)

@ChrisS OUr coins are fucked. Our $2 is smaller than the $1, and the 50c is one of the largest coins still in circulation in the entire world

Maybe.. I was in the lab all day yesterday so no lunch break / no water.

The 5c is so tiny you always lose them and the 20c is massive

Our 25¢ and $1 coins are pretty nice sizes... They should be the only coins people need anymore.

How do vending machines handle different sized paper currency?

9:32 PM

I have a box under my desk here with pill-bottles full of quarters.

eventually I'm going to turn them in, but pretty much I just use them to get the car washed.

1¢ buys you absolutely nothing besides hatred from the people behind you in line waiting for you to count those things

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@AaronCopley They're just smart? I dunno

Here they don't usually take anything bigger than a $20 either

5¢ is just as bad. The US used to have a 0.5¢ coin back in the day, but got rid of it when it was less than the equivalence 10¢ today.

About the only thing pennies are good for are for those neat little souvenir stamping machines.

Yea, I mean, most of ours don't take big bills unless it's a special purpose bill changer like at a casino or something.

9:34 PM

Hence, we should get rid of everything 10¢ and down, leaving only the 25¢ and $1 coins.

But I would imagine that to be a challenge.

@ChrisS You have a 25c coin?

Do you have a 50c?

@Holocryptic Which are technically illegal; not sure how we get away with that.

Oh right, thats what everyone calls a quarter

@MarkHenderson It's out of circulation; so if you have one it's still legal, but if a bank gets it they'll turn it in never to be seen again

9:35 PM

@ChrisS Probably because its a penny. Not exactly going to ruin the economy with those things

@Mark 1c = penny, 5c= nickel, 10c=dime, 25c=quarter

@ChrisS Same with our 1c and 2c coins. Still legal but you'll never see themagain if you use them

@Holocryptic Costs more to make them than they're worth.

@Adrian yep

@PeterGrace So what's a nickel back then? :p

9:36 PM

@Holocryptic Couple years ago the price of a copper penny (today's pennies are 95% zinc) went above 1¢ and people started melthing them

I have a bunch of 50c and $1 coins

@ChrisS Which Im sure is illegal because it de-values the currency

@Mark A bad band. :P

The commuter train ticket stations around here provide $1 coins as change.

@MarkHenderson You can trade copper in to recycling places in lump form

9:37 PM

@MarkHenderson The government should have realized the penny was worthless and thanked people for getting rid of them. That should have been the death of the US penny.

pre-1965 US quarters were silver then too. WHich is why so few are found nowadays.

Instead they started arresting people. =/

A modern penny costs 2.2¢ to make. Enough said?

@MarkHenderson Actually, it de-devalues the currency

Well, it is against the law to molest money.

@ChrisS That right there sums up the entire state of the US government

9:39 PM

@ChrisS So? Pennies are not consumables

@wfaulk Nor are they useful!

@ChrisS to you. Ask someone who really is pinching every penny to make ends meet

I pinch bottoms

With federal minimum wage now at $7.25, that's 1¢ every 5 second. If you f--- with change for more than 5 seconds over a penny it's a net loss.

@MarkHenderson it's actually illegal because it's defacement :-)

at least in the US

9:41 PM

@voretaq7 it's not illegal to deface money

@voretaq7 Yes, of government property

How does one get wealth and retain it? By being frugal and not spending frivolously.

@wfaulk It most certainly is (in the US). the Secret Service will find you.

@wfaulk moneyfactory.gov/historicallegislation.html

scroll down to "Defacement" -- Basically if you intentionally wreck it it's a felony.

Soooo, "ooops" and it's all good, right?

9:42 PM

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I'm 99% sure that that section of the US code applies to coins too (but it might be a separate section)

Whoever mutilates ... with intent to render such ... unfit to be reissued ... shall be [punished]

oh boo.

@PeterGrace That's a lot of swearing

Oh please, the US is so screwed up that it's a class A felony for crossing your eyes nowadays.

9:43 PM

@Holocryptic haha, that's years of spare change saving.

@PeterGrace ACK! FLASH!

@voretaq7 It's all "currency", which includes US Federal Bonds and Bills IIRC.

@Holocryptic "oops" and you can send it to the bureau of engraving and printing -- they'll figure out how much of it they can reliably reconstruct and give you a check for that amount.

@Holocryptic I KNOW, SORRY.

See, I got this free box.com account

because if you signed up from android, free 50gb for now till the end of time

so I thought eh, I'll see how well this thing works

apparently, it really doesn't want to let you directly share images.

@ChrisS I haven't read that particular section of the US code in a while :)

(and yes, I have read many sections of the US code.)

9:45 PM

Whelp. I'm off to another client site. May be back later.

@voretaq7 I was talking with someone the other day about licensing and law; they were absolutely floored that a "computer guy" would be able to read and understand legalese, and do so on a somewhat regular basis. Seems like part of the job all too often, and they don't really teach it in school at all.

Oh, I understand "legalize."

@ChrisS I learned a pile of that stuff from avidly reading Groklaw for 3-4 years.

legaleeze rhymes with sleaze

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(relevant)

9:47 PM

@Holocryptic sysadmin rhymes with stupid and dim. what's your point? :)

@Holocryptic legal sleaze?

... but yes, legal sleeze

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legalese, right?

@PeterGrace Doh!

@PeterGrace Yes

9:47 PM

@PeterGrace I APPROVE OF THIS PRODUCT.

Like I said, I don't smoke anymore, but I used to get baaaaaaaaked because I'd only smoke once a year.

spell check crutch strikes again

@ChrisS My fall-back career is law.

@PeterGrace make special "adult" brownies!

@voretaq7 oh, it's not for a lack of desire. It's just tougher when you have to be a parent.

No way would anyone make their printers directly accessible via the internet. Oh, no no..wait, what?!

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9:49 PM

I'm usually useless the next day.

@voretaq7 I think it's be a heck of a lot of fun, if you could get in to a decent field... I think most of the time you'd be pushing paper and writing business contract for multi-billion dollar deals, or bankruptcy, or become and ambulance chaser.

@tombull89 Ohh, can we print 500 usage reports?

@PeterGrace I'm usually useless every day.

@tombull89 evil, evil man.

@MarkHenderson Yes. Off you go.

9:50 PM

@voretaq7 man, I felt useless today after the weekly meeting. the VP of engineering here said "That's all you have planned for next week?"

@tombull89 Ah! It's all in jibberish?! What happened to Google?

You know when a boss says that to you that you'd better make up some TPS reports and STAT

He didn't buy my "most of my day is spent answering tickets" shpeel.

@PeterGrace My usual response to that is "And if I complete those projects I'll bring you more."

@ChrisS try this

Fact of the matter, and @Zypher will agree, we have a trello board full of stuff we WANT to do, it's just a matter of if we can physically do it.

9:52 PM

@tombull89 I'm just messing with you. =]

@ChrisS D:

@tombull89 :( I tried adding the printer to my local machine - it finds the printer but it can't communicate with it ;(

Any luck with your Colocation hunt? I had a look recently around near me but it's so freaking expensive.

@PeterGrace You work for SE?

LOL

9:53 PM

/me sighs

@Jacob you don't read the serverfault blog, do ya?

@tombull89 vastnet baby :-)

@PeterGrace shhh, hide your shame man!

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jacob we let him pretend he does.

@WesleyDavid Hows you're, uuh, head wound?

@RebeccaChernoff BACK TO YOUR HOLE, PHP FAN

9:53 PM

@RebeccaChernoff what's the pay for pretending to work for you guys?

Rebecca Chernoff

):

I love how @Rebecca shows up at the most opportune moments

Rebecca Chernoff

@voretaq7 haha

@PeterGrace Well I mean, you're complaining about your boss on a company product?

@PeterGrace HEY! There's nothing wrong with PHP that isn't wrong with every other language.

Rebecca Chernoff

9:54 PM

@PeterGrace when else would I show up? |:

it's the shitty programmers that make it a godawful disaster

@MarkHenderson There's this one.

@Jacob oh, you misunderstand. Nobody complains at SE. This place is nirvana.

@RebeccaChernoff and @WesleyDavid Must have something special going on, they always showup at the same time.

@Jacob I'm joking about my failings as a human being, made manifest by my boss's disapproval.

9:55 PM

@voretaq7 Any UK-based? :P

@Jacob We're the same person. @Reb is my heel wearing alternate personality.

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@tombull89 I have a 1K page PDF spooling

@RebeccaChernoff I am going to owe you so, so many beers at the meetup.

I can't wait for the pictures of a drunk @Rebecca. That's gonna be awesome.

Rebecca Chernoff

@PeterGrace hahahaha

9:56 PM

@tombull89 nope.

@Jacob printing redbooks?

@PeterGrace Banana tobacco, was nice ^^

@voretaq7 expensive as hell

@Jacob just to reiterate, working for Stack Exchange is nerd heaven. The place honestly respects smart people and cherishes them.

@Jacob ?

$100/mo is expensive?

@LucasKauffman nice, I have a box of al-fahker cherry at the moment. Haven't smoked in a couple weeks but maybe i'll light up tonight.

9:57 PM

(and if $100/mo is expensive: "You can't step down to the $70/mo plan?")

Rebecca Chernoff

@ScottPack no pictures! >_<

@tombull89 Shush, it's "Sleep Mode on", don't wake it up

I wonder how often those printers get random junk coming to them...

@RebeccaChernoff I think your attitude will change once we all get a little inebriated.

Karaoke videos, anyone?

@RebeccaChernoff right. Video, @ScottPack -- this is the 21st century.

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Rebecca Chernoff

(;

9:59 PM

@voretaq7 D'aww. Found a few quite close to me, starts at £40/month for 1U and 1000GB transfer, but only 0.5A - the HP DL360 G5 I want to colo draws at least 1.25A and for the £125/month they want to host that I could get a frikkin' awesome VPS.

I have a vps at voxel for my random projects.

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