The Comms Room

12:00 AM

# cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4
::1         localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6
#

84104

Yeah, that's the RHELkin stuff. I think it's a bit absurd to have all that extra nonsense. localhost4 and localhost6 might be okay. As for the rest, why?

Michael Hampton

Being overly specific? It's probably not necessary, but it's probably not harmful.

84104

I don't edit it out either.

Okay, homeward bound.

Michael Hampton

12:47 AM

Bad idea: Start a puppet run on all nodes at once.

adamcodega

1:45 AM

werd

Mark Henderson

So why does mdadm come with a default rebuild speed of 5MB/sec

It was going to take 4 days to rebuild at that rate

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson It does?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Well, this system does

cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min
5000

It's now going at 50MB/sec. Because fuck users.

(actually that should still leave a shitload of drive speed for users)

Down to 22 hours now

Journeyman Geek

2:03 AM

looks like I'm switching to centos for the home server.

I'm too lazy to rebuild the VPSes for now

Wesley

@MarkHenderson In the ear.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Kinky

Right now I'd be willing to settle for anywhere

"Hey hon, your armpit looks mighty inviting"

Wesley

@MarkHenderson At this point, marriage in my eyes is like minus forty bazillion points.

Gonna need an army of level 85 magicians to get it up into six digit negatives.

yawn

I need to poop but I'm too lazy to get up.

^ I'm not the best candidate for marriage myself, so can't really throw stones to hard at the institution.

Speaking of poop, this mongorestore has taken 4 hours to transfer 2GB and is 4% done and I didn't use screen.

I suck.

Journeyman Geek

always use screen

Michael Hampton

I almost never use screen

Journeyman Geek

2:15 AM

could you 'just' background it?

Michael Hampton

I only use it if I'm starting something on a remote host that I know will take a very long time (like hours).

AND want to keep it in the foreground

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Made me LOL

Michael Hampton

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Mark Henderson

lol getting 4MB/sec copying some files off that server at the moment. Oh well. better than than lose the whole thing over the weekend.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Michael Hampton

2:43 AM

So... Debian has a bad habit of auto-enabling and auto-starting services. Except for services you actually want, like SNMP, which is stopped and disabled by default...

Mark Henderson

3:07 AM

So we just had a company that provides nude waiters/waitresses to private parties enquire about our software cough*package*cough

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Can you give them what they need?

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Well, he told me that he manages models. I had no idea what he meant by that so i assumed it was an industry term, I hear a lot of them and don't always know what they mean

He didn't care at all about the work flow part of the system, only work order distribution, which was odd. Now I understand.

Anyway googled his phone number and BAM up comes a stripper website

Michael Hampton

What's wrong with this picture?

Journeyman Geek

3:22 AM

0_0

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton ... thats a lot of log files?

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson There's about ~ 4.2 TB of available disk in this whole system!

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Well thars yar problem

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson No, my problem is I only have 16GB of RAM

And an AMD CPU

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton Ouch. I remember when AMD used to be a reasonable choice

Michael Hampton

3:30 AM

It's a few years old, I think I'm due for an upgrade

Mark Henderson

I had a long line of them. I had a few K6-2's and I had an opteron workstation for about 5 years

Mark Henderson

3:42 AM

Also, I miss Socket 7

When you could plug in anything from a shitty Cyrix 6x86 with something like 8kb of l2 cache up to a proper Pentium

(I had one of the Cyrix's because I was cheap)

16k of cache apparently

Journeyman Geek

3:54 AM

@MarkHenderson: You're lucky these days if a socket lasts two generations

Michael Hampton

Gawd. Intel seems to make a new socket for each processor.

Journeyman Geek

I believe AMD has three socket types in desktops at the moment, and intel seems to support one socket across two now.

@MichaelHampton: 2 generations, not counting refreshes

and that's pretty good for them.

A good chunk of my current systems have soldered on processors tho

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek I know. It makes part shopping a black art

Also means of course new processor == new motherboard, which sometimes == new ram

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: not really. I'd probably throw the processor I want in PC parts picker

Michael Hampton

Eh, RAM is almost entirely standard now

Journeyman Geek

3:57 AM

also, my local stores have these handy charts that show processors, motherboards, and bundle prices ;p

@MichaelHampton: until DDR4

and there's some variations that matter.

Michael Hampton

I'll believe DDR4 when I see it

Journeyman Geek

Apparently if you're using a non OCed, high speed ram dosen't matter

unless its an AMD APU

also, low voltage and regular ram (I don't know the difference. other than... well, one runs at a lower voltage)

Mark Henderson

4:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah AMD confuse me. wtf is an APU?

I read some press release about it but I didn't understand it

Wesley

4:53 AM

@MarkHenderson Anal Probe Utensil

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Oww?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Yeah you need a decent amount of LUUUUUBE!

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUBE!!

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: basically a cpu with a fairly decent integrated graphics core

They use lower/mid range designs on em, so they're fairly nice if you want integrated graphics and want to do light gaming on them

In general though, other than integrated graphics (and maybe price), intel tends to ballstomp all over AMD as far as processors go

MichelZ

@JourneymanGeek Was that ever different? :)

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ: oh there were points in time when AMD would have been a smart choice valuewise, or even halfway competitive.

Mark Henderson

4:59 AM

@MichelZ Opterons were far better than Itaniums

MichelZ

I think I only had an AMD CPU once in my life (personally & professionally)

Mark Henderson

For starters, an opteron was a general use processor

MichelZ

I had an athlon

@MarkHenderson who the fuck uses that Itanium shit?

Mark Henderson

If it weren't for AMD I'm sure that Intel would still be pushing IA64

@MichelZ Nobody

Journeyman Geek

Opterons are closer to xeons tho

Mark Henderson

5:00 AM

Which is my point

MichelZ

:)

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Yeah but there were no 64-bit Xeons at that point in time

Journeyman Geek

and VLIW is something intel tries every 20 years, fucks up, and forgets about.

@MarkHenderson: wait, how old is your PC?

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek This was in about 2004

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: that would explain it

Mark Henderson

5:02 AM

Windows XP 64-bit was a nightmare for driver support but it was damn fast on Opterons

Now of course 64-bit desktop OSes are the norm

I think I had 8GB of RAM which was almost unheard of in 2004 in a desktop

Journeyman Geek

yeah

hell, my 2007 era desktop probably would have maxed out at 4 or 8

Mark Henderson

5:14 AM

Somebody wanna tell this guy that it's probably not a good idea to deploy a new install of a 12 year old OS?

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Q: Which OS is most suitable for PostgreSQL server

Database : PostgreSQL 9.2 Current Server OS : windows server 2003/2008/2012 Client Machine OS : Windows XP/7 The application that access PostgreSQL is windows based We planning to change the server machine's OS to linux(can be any flavour, no idea about linux).So i would like to know i...

Uh 11 years old. I can't count

hah he removed the 2003 tag

Journeyman Geek

Its still closable ;p

and I think he's sort of asking "Should I be running postgres in linux instead? And what flavour of linux to use?"

MichelZ

yep

very opinion based

and it's gone :)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

arstechnica.com/security/2014/08/…

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Who's that MichelZ guy commenting? Sounds like a tool.

Hey @MarkHenderson, who's dreamier, @Pants or @MichelZ?

MichelZ

@Wesley He IS a tool...

@Wesley did you fell off your bike on your head again?

Wesley

5:26 AM

@MichelZ I broke my bike. =(

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I broke the bike that I said was mine but wasn't

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: Duct tape!

Wesley

I stole a bike and almost got caught, but fortunately toddlers can't run very fast.

MichelZ

you almost got caught?

you must be a very dumb thief then :D

no one ever got caught stealing a bike

Mark Henderson

@MichelZ Unless the cop is on a faster bike

Or a car

Wesley

@MichelZ Yeah, but I just sprayed him with a hose and he started crying so it was a win/win really.

MichelZ

5:28 AM

I can accept that

Wesley

@MichelZ You're a CTO? I feel so inadequate. Like, more than usual.

MichelZ

@Wesley I'm anything you want me to be, darling

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Can't you tell? The posed black and white headshot gives it away

Wesley

@MarkHenderson And fabulously handsome.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley Chief Toddler Officer?

Wesley

5:30 AM

@DennisKaarsemaker D= I CONFESSED TO THE WRONG PERSON!

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Im pretty sure I'd lick his balls if they were presented

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MichelZ

@MarkHenderson I hope you don't live in my neighborhood then

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Swiss Miss? More like SWISS HIT!

Mark Henderson

Time to make someone else besides ~~@mossy @pants~~ @mossy (stop changing your fucking name) uncomfortable with my homosexual innuendo

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I'm never uncomfortable with your homosexual innuendo.

Mark Henderson

5:32 AM

@Wesley No, thats why I moved on to new targets

Wesley

@mossy is mossy again?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley According to autocomplete he is

MichelZ

who was @mossy in the meantime?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson We burned eachother out with our uncontrollable, overt, and shameless sexual harassment of eachother. Wow, we really are like family to eachother.

@MichelZ Pants.

MichelZ

ah

Mark Henderson

5:32 AM

@Wesley You can be the creeply uncle attemping to kiss me

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Honey there was no attempted about it, especially when you opened your mouth wider than a mason jar.

Mark Henderson

And I'll pretend to fight you but be secretly into it

MichelZ

I feel like searching for homosexual dilbert strips

Mark Henderson

Yay joking about child molestation. Way to kill the conversation.

Journeyman Geek

0_0 I think I downloaded 8gb in under 15 minutes.

Mark Henderson

5:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek Nice

Must have been a local mirror

MichelZ

that's 8 MB/s

could be faster

:)

Journeyman Geek

naw, someone has a sweet seedbox ;p

Mark Henderson

@MichelZ The only place I ever hit 8MB/sec is on Steam because my ISP has a pretty comprehensive local mirror

Oh and torrents on a private tracker. Sometimes.

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ: in my experience, even when you have a less than awesome internet connection, the other end is the bottleneck

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@JourneymanGeek that sounds dirty

hey baby, wanna fondle my sweet seedbox?

mossy

5:45 AM

@MarkHenderson No bb pls

Wesley

@mossy bisexual bangin'?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley bald balltickling

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Bald balls are the only kind of balls I like

Nobody likes hairy balls

Dennis Kaarsemaker

true.dat

Wesley

Ya ever... waxed ya balls?

Ya ever whacked your balls?

Mark Henderson

5:52 AM

@Wesley Waxed? No. I'm not insane.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

neither. I use a razor

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I'm pretty sure if someone waxed their balls they could tie their shoes with them later.

@DennisKaarsemaker Pluck each one out with a tweezer.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley are you out of your little kitten mind?

Wesley

sigh migrating wordpress sites like a punk

Wesley

6:05 AM

hugs @DennisKaarsemaker

hugs @JourneymanGeek

passionately embraces @MarkHenderson

hugs @mossy

hugs @MichelZ

hugs @MathiasR.Jessen

Night ya'll.

ZZZzzzzz... -.-

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton - just saw your link to packetfence

It looks sweet

I think I like it better based on what i'm reading than Windows NPS

I'm doing a new 802.1x install in the coming weeks, will have to give it a go

MichelZ

6:34 AM

@Wesley hugs @Wesley, good night!

faker

6:46 AM

morning

Iain

G'day

RobM

7:06 AM

morning all

Jenny D

morning

RobM

how are you today @jennyd

Jenny D

@RobM Fine, except for not liking Mondays :-)

RobM

Fridays are the best kind of mondays, in my opinion. I'm just throwing that out there.

:)

Jenny D

On any other day of the week I'd agree. Today, it's the worst kind :-)

RobM

7:12 AM

oh dear :-|

Jenny D

I went riding yesterday. My little horse is behaving like a real adult reliable riding horse. I still am amazed that the tiny little foal from just the other year is now big and ridable.

RobM

cool. I know nothing about horses but that still sounds cool

Jenny D

It really is! It's so special with a horse that one has raised since he was born, compared to one you buy when it's adult.

RobM

I guess like raising any other animal you get a bond with them that way that you wouldn't from just buying one

Jenny D

I think so.

Of course, he's also the only animal that I have raised from birth. All the cats I've had have been at least six weeks old when I got them, most of them twelve weeks.

Iain

7:47 AM

@RobM Thursdays are the best kind of Friday, especially when Friday is part of the long weekend :)

tombull89

This website is for professionals and the users are required to have a good understanding of what they are asking. heh, if it were so easy

Journeyman Geek

if only people could read ;p

Iain

@tombull89 We won't go there, this is demonstrably (and unfortunately) not true.

tombull89

ah yeah just read the answer.

We're in an interesting position here - our machine are being upgraded to 8.1 which doesn't include a DVD decoder. K-Lite Media Pack/Media Player Classic and VLC are both out due to the way they remove the copyright protection, so are there any decent, cheap or free DVD players. and NOT quicktime, that does not meet the defenition of "decent".

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: there's no such thing really as a 'free' decoder for DVDs

previously MS paid the licence fees, now they don't

tombull89

7:54 AM

the only "real" option current is the Nero DVD suite, or the Cyberlink suite, both of which suck majorly.

Journeyman Geek

@tombull89: or getting the media center pack

which probably also sucks, but it sucks in a very native manner

RobM

@iain I do like a good long weekend

@tombull89 you mean at your school? We just deployed VLC here.

tombull89

@RobM yes - the network manage has said now we're running like a business (as an academy, rather than under the LEA) we need to be legally covered for everything we do, and the way VLC removes copy protection on DVDs isn't quite legal.

Apparently.

RobM

I'm fairly sure that's horseshit when you're just viewing the discs. But that's up to the network manager I guess

tombull89

mmm

It's gonna make my job a bit harder.

RobM

8:02 AM

just a bit

Bob

...what's with the pink-and-fluffy tag? what did I miss? o.O

Huh. Apparently it's been there a while, and I'm just blind.

RobM

such a pretty pretty tag...

Jenny D

@Bob that gives me Hiding questions because of your Ignored Tags preferences for tags:...

Bob

@JennyD I was referring to the room tags

Jenny D

@Bob ah, sorry

dawud

8:11 AM

morning

Jenny D

8:29 AM

@dawud so it is

dawud

8:44 AM

@JennyD :) Just finishing my first week at the new job, overall experience has been good.

I have to deal with All Things Oracle, and use <gasp> windows desktops and putty, but yet, a good experience so far.

Journeyman Geek

@dawud: eh, thats not too bad. I mean, you didn't need linux desktop anyway right?

dawud

Now I hate more stuff: OHS (oracle HTTP Server), the Frankenstein of HTTP servers.

@JourneymanGeek I'm sure I'll be quite more productive working from a GNU/Linux box, and not having to jump through two nested Citrix desktops just to open a putty session...

Journeyman Geek

o0

dawud

aye

Journeyman Geek

Thats a completely different story ;p

dawud

8:49 AM

Apparent security is a thing in here.

I can't even copy/paste

Journeyman Geek

by obscenity? ;p

ouch

dawud

I also hate WebLogics. I spent much time at $job-1 migrating from weblogic to JBoss and here they are going the other way round. :/

dawud

9:04 AM

hey, a little teach-a-man-how-to-fish success story serverfault.com/questions/623054/…

Jenny D

@dawud It's amazing how asking the right question can be so much more effective than just giving an answer...

Bob

@dawud ...Oracle has an HTTP server? Oh god no.

dawud

@JennyD I was hoping he would dig a little deeper. And he did! Amazing indeed.

@Bob Yes, the installer is about 1.7 GB in size, can you beleive it? No RPM of course (why would someone use RPMs?)

Bob

@dawud From Oracle? I'm surprised it's that small.

> Oracle HTTP Server (OHS) is an enterprise grade Web Server software - based on open source Apache HTTP Web Server

...the fuck did they add to bloat it from ~5 MB to 1.7 GB?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Bob enterprise.

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Bob

9:19 AM

Silly me.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

I'm surprised it fits in 1.7GB

Journeyman Geek

9:35 AM

o0

MichelZ

10:42 AM

@Bob They added the Oracle EULA

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Dan

10:59 AM

Morning computer cluts

Iain

@Dan afternoon

Dan

@Iain God, only just. Left my ouse at 6:30. Posting from azure VM with huge lag, forgive my typos

faker

12:26 PM

The web is a funny place. Someone creates a disposable e-mail service so that you don't get spammed after signing up somewhere. And this service then gets used to create spam profiles at our sites. sigh

Scott Pack

12:49 PM

Nathan C

@ScottPack Instructions unclear, had heart attack after Oracle quote

faker

1:24 PM

You know what's worse than developers? External contractor developers.

MichelZ

:)

faker

"Who manually installed drupal, php and phpmyadmin on this server in the testlab? Stop doing that! We use Puppet for EVERYTHING!" - him: "It's a demo"

Scott Pack

Michael Hampton

You're shocked by high priced "enterprise" software being of exceptionally low quality? Don't be. It's not uncommon. — Michael Hampton ♦ 13 secs ago

MichelZ

installing things to C:\ <root>

just plain wrong

I would fire them immediately

:)

tombull89

1:30 PM

what about extractiong to C:\ root? that's just as bad.

MichelZ

basically, doing anything in any drive root is bad

or in any non-standard folder

tombull89

@MichaelHampton Sounds like Tom Jones' Disease. It's not unusual...

Bob

@MichelZ ...tell that to my boss

MichelZ

what does he do?

Nathan C

@MichelZ Microsoft does it! (with the .net stuff)

MichelZ

1:35 PM

@NathanC: ?

Bob

I had a nice little installer that uses Program Files, ProgramData and AppData all correctly... "why don't we put it in C:\OurProgram instead, it's much easier!"

headdesk

MichelZ

lol

tombull89

@NathanC that's the worst one, .net 4 mainly

MichelZ

just reply: That's not best practice, and I advice against it.

@tombull89 Where does it put files? I don't remember seeing them lying around

isn't it all C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\?

Stack Exchange

myotherpcisacloud.com: SharpTLSScan v1.2

posted on August 22, 2014 by ryan

SharpTLSScan has been upgraded to version 1.2. You can download the executable from this post, or you can find the source on Github. Version 1.2 adds some visual enhancements, such as having the protocol versions grouped together instead of interleaved in the output. This is because each separate protocol scan (SSLv3, TLS1.0, TLSv1.1, TLS1.2,) executes on a separate thread…

Nathan C

1:37 PM

@MichelZ All its temp shit is strewn across C:\

MichelZ

I have nothing in C:\

from .net

never had

Nathan C

the EULA .txt and stuff...plus the <guid> folders that it creates when you begin the installs

MichelZ

that's not .NET

that's MSI

Bob

@MichelZ Main things I find there are HP updates... those damn things.

MichelZ

I think

Bob

1:38 PM

@NathanC Isn't that from Visual Studio, not .NET?

MichelZ

@bob: Yes, AMD / Dell / Intel tend to have C:\<company> as default as well

@Bob Yes, VS (or more precisely VC++ or something) left some files in root(s)

Nathan C

@Bob True...there's also some stuff that dumps logs into the C:\ root so they're easy to find

MichelZ

and the <guid> folders are just placed on the disk with the highest capacity

I think

and usually get deleted automatically

tombull89

@MichelZ HP extracts it's drivers to C:\swsetup which isn't too bad

Nathan C

@MichelZ Which is highly annoying when it decides to pick my external drives...

Bob

1:40 PM

@MichelZ because %temp% is too hard

MichelZ

@NathanC indeed it is, yes.

@Bob: no, because it could run out of space (i guess that was the intention)

tombull89

@MichelZ wait, really? That explains the crap on my 500gb when I'm on my work desktop.

Nathan C

They're hard to remove after the fact sometimes too ...gotta have permission from Administrators! ...wait.

Bob

@tombull89 except that one for my laptop that ended up in C:\SqSetup

looks like a typo

MichelZ

@NathanC yes, true

Bob

1:40 PM

and that's fucking scary

the thought that they're manually typing in that path for every installer... shudder

Nathan C

eonline.com/news/571864/…

nooooo :(

Dennis Kaarsemaker

3:34 PM

I haven't watched mythbusters in ages

Michael Hampton

4:20 PM

Also, this is an extremely basic system admin task. Have you no experience with Linux at all? What have you tried? — Michael Hampton ♦ 46 secs ago

I mean really. CentOS 5.1.

Nathan C

@MichaelHampton OP should be nowhere near a server...lol

Michael Hampton

Gawd. If I came across a 5.1 server, I would consider that a security incident requiring immediate response. I don't know how some places manage to ignore things like that for so long.

Iain

@MichaelHampton ignorance is bliss

Michael Hampton

@Iain Hell. I have Zabbix fire an alarm if a system has been up for 90 days. Because it's almost certainly got unapplied kernel updates.

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Iain

4:37 PM

@MichaelHampton indeed but you're cluefull - the op is clearly clueless and what you don't know can't harm you right ?

Michael Hampton

@Iain What you don't know can put you out of business. Or, less severely, put you in the newspapers with very nasty unflattering front page headlines.

Iain

you missed the sarcasm :(

Michael Hampton

@Iain Oh yes, I did

MichelZ

4:56 PM

gimme tha windows keys

argh

Michael Hampton

Ah, worse, this guy has terrible English and doesn't seem to realize it.

MichelZ

@MichaelHampton sounds like a bad bot trying to do a touring test

Michael Hampton

5:13 PM

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Q: How do internet time severs work?

A naive time server would simply send the current time to a client in response to a request. However, by the time the client received the response the time would be inaccurate. How does NTP avoid this?

ntp time-server

Do we want this question?

MichelZ

seems too easy to lookup

HopelessN00b

6:01 PM

Keep it around. If nothing else, the 6 downvotes will server as a warning to future users who've never heard of Google.

Jacob

Wow. Chat participation is almost non-existant.

MichelZ

6:16 PM

@Jacob yah, you guys suck!

Jacob

6:30 PM

All of the VMs here are Ubuntu :(

Tom W

6:53 PM

I hardly ever use anything other than windows, so there's no reason I'd know: What's wrong with Ubuntu?

Jacob

@TomW Kind of personal preference, and I happen to like red hat based systems.

Scott Pack

Cold T

7:28 PM

ahh bank holiday weekend and I'm working... what a life!

Chris S

Quick survey: How do you pronounce "daemon"? As DAY-mon or DEE-mon?

Cold T

@ChrisS dee-muh is the 'official' version

Scott Pack

@ChrisS DAE-mon. Otherwise it would be spelled "demon"

Cold T

the British pronunciation is diːmən

Chris S

@ColdT What makes that "official"?

Cold T

7:36 PM

original latin word i think

Chris S

It's the Latinized version (dæmon) of the Greek word (δαίμων - which sounds a bit like "THAY-mon"). Nobody speaks Latin anymore, and nobody wrote down how Latin was pronounced back in the day, so our best guesses on how æ was pronounced are based on modern words that still use it (all the English words that use æ have been simplified to just "e", like medieval, which was mediæval). So it was probably pronounced something like "DEH-mon" in Latin.

Regardless - dispute at the office over it's pronunciation... Wikipedia says either "DEE-mon" or "DAY-mon". The Jargon file says both those, in reverse order; and notes that the first place to use it pronounced it "DEE-mon", but the place that popularized it pronounced it "DAY-mon". So the only fair way to settle this is by chat room opinion poll.

84104

@ChrisS Either, though I tend to say DAY-mon.

Scott Pack

7:52 PM

Generally speaking the pronunciations in a dictionary are given in preference order.

Dictionary.com, under the OS definition, gives "DAY-mon" as the preferred with "DEE-mon" being acceptable. I don't have an account on OED to look up the authoritative source.

84104

@ScottPack Brit. /ˈdiːmən/ , U.S. /ˈdim(ə)n/

Scott Pack

@84104 Which definition is that for?

84104

@ScottPack daemon, n. Computing.

Scott Pack

Interesting.

By which I mean the alleged US pronunciation is interesting.

The actual OED provided pronunciation is clearly rubbish since it disagrees with me.

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I don't know what the parens represent in there, but I've never heard anyone say /ˈdim(ə)n/

84104

The problem I have with most pronunciation guides is that I have no idea how to pronounce all the funny symbols.

HopelessN00b

8:01 PM

@84104 True that. What does an upside down e sound like, anyway? I tried an "e" sounds standing on my head, but it sounded the same... and I'm getting a lot of weird looks now.

Michael Hampton

@HopelessN00b It sounds like the "uh" noise that our drooling users make when confronted with high technology like a keyboard.

84104

@HopelessN00b How much does the amount of weird looks now deviate from the baseline that you usually get?

Scott Pack

Help:IPA for English

Throughout Wikipedia, the pronunciation of words is indicated by means of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA). The following tables list the IPA symbols used for English words and pronunciations. If the IPA symbols are not displayed properly by your browser, see the links below. == Key == If the words illustrating two symbols sound the same to you (say, if you pronounce cot and caught the same, or do and dew, or marry and merry), you can ignore the difference between those symbols. Footnotes explain some of these mergers. (See also #Dialect variation below.) Notes The IPA stress mark (ˈ)...

Magellan

@ScottPack Isn't that the one that mis-spells Phoenix?

Scott Pack

@Magellan Could be. We'll have to defer to @84104 since he apparently has an OED handy.

HopelessN00b

8:04 PM

@84104 Pretty substantially. I'm going to choose to believe it's because my penis is touching my chin when I'm upside down, though.

Scott Pack

So you got one of these necklaces? mardigrasoutlet.com/_images/pst/PST1142-1436-6SEC.jpg

In other news...."penis necklace" is probably the strangest thing I've google image searched today.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS Oh, it's pronounced DAY-mon. DEE-mons are the things mentally ill people hear. DAY-mons are computer programs. Though, I suppose there may be some overlap... computer software mad eby Oracle comes to mind.

:p

I was obviously referencing the fact that I have a 30 inch penis, not some plastic necklace.

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Magellan

@HopelessN00b A real trouser snake, that one.

HopelessN00b

8:31 PM

Nah, it's not a trouser snake, it' s a pocket rocket!

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b could you imagine what it would be like to actually have a 30 inch penis....

you couldn't go balls deep without killing someone...

that would just suck

HopelessN00b

Yeah, I don't think it'd be all that much fun... And I don't think I wanna meet the woman who wants a fleshy baseball bat inside her. :/

Matt Bear

@HopelessN00b hehehe imagine if it was prehensile

pick things up with it

be like an elephants trunk...

on a "non-giant-mutant-penis, work-related note"...

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@HopelessN00b I'm perfectly happy with my nice, normal sized 15"

why am I talking about penises....

tombull89

8:46 PM

@HopelessN00b jesus...there's a guy on twitter called Hung Like Mr. Ed - Mr_Ed1393 - with a 15. I'm not gonna link it 'cause EVERYTHING about it is NSFW but daaaaaaaaaymn

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