The Comms Room

kce

6:01 PM

Soooo, how is a "Private Cloud" any different from just normal on-site virtualization? You get +2 marketing points?

Wesley

@faker That's funny actually. =P

@RobM One dance floor, two DJs. Skrillex vs. Handel's Messiah!

RobM

pretty much!

HopelessN00b

@kce More or less. "Private cloud" is the +Marketing points term for in-house virtualization.

Wesley

@HopelessN00b Add something that can be termed "portability" and you've got yourself at least 200% markup on the invoice.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b @wesley Meanwhile... huge LA power outage

Joel E Salas

6:15 PM

@ewwhite Where??

HopelessN00b

@JoelESalas LA. :p

TheCleaner

PsychicIT? @HopelessN00b

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner What, you disagree? :)

ewwhite

@JoelESalas Telepacific lines are going up and down.

TheCleaner

LOL, no I was wondering if you were going to throw that up on Area51.

BigHomie

6:17 PM

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Nah, it would only encourage that particular kind of dumbassery.

rodling

quick emergency question, woke up no privileges on main user on AWS DB

ewwhite

@Wesley Now all of that client's sites and systems appear to be down

rodling

On 2nd user I can grant select, but not file_priv

HopelessN00b

Emergency questions come at the emergency rate multiplier of 3x... but I do accept Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, BitCoin and envelopes stuffed with USD, GPB or EUR.

Wesley

6:21 PM

@ewwhite Dun dun dunnnn

RobM

i need sleep

HopelessN00b

@RobM I need beer.

Wesley

@rodling No idea. Pass. Next contestant! =P

RobM

beer does sound nice... say, have a beer, they're nice.

Wesley

@ewwhite Is this the "drop everything and blow us" client?

@RobM I'm turning Canadian because I want cold Labatt Blue and hot poutine.

rodling

6:23 PM

@Wesley ya it i am baffled, main user flush with no across the board with couple of yes but for things that dont affect much mostly and second user cant grant anything... and no root... wtf

Wesley

I blame @Ward. And @Basil.

And @FalconMomot

Let's see, who else is Canadian that I can blame

RobM

poutine is just strange. I don't understand it and I'm part scottish so I'm used to the sight of things like haggis.

HopelessN00b

@Wesley That Beiber fellow.

Wesley

@RobM Fries, cheese, and hot brown gravy? MFer that sounds like sex in my mouth!

Falcon Momot

@RobM What? You're mad. It's french fries with gravy and cheese.

RobM

6:24 PM

Wesley has bieber fever?

HopelessN00b

He doesn't get blamed enough.. because it not possible to blame him enough.

RobM

I <3 french fries with cheese. I <3 french fries with gravy. I just don't think they belong together

and yes I have tried it...

HopelessN00b

@FalconMomot It's vile. And French -Canadian.

Falcon Momot

tu es fou.

ewwhite

@Wesley yes

Wesley

6:25 PM

@ewwhite sigh Are you going to be down one client by the end of the week? =P

HopelessN00b

No self-respecting Western Canadian should be found within 1,000 Km of a poutine.

ewwhite

oh, just came back up

Wesley

@ewwhite Tracer Tea, coming up

traceroute to 12.239.184.5 (12.239.184.5), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  216.224.230.194 (216.224.230.194)  0.156 ms  0.146 ms  0.134 ms
 2  216.224.231.97 (216.224.231.97)  0.533 ms  0.687 ms  0.680 ms
 3  core-8000-1.arizona.phxinternet.net (216.224.225.85)  0.825 ms  0.823 ms  0.808 ms
 4  edge-1036-1.arizona.phxinternet.net (216.224.225.93)  1.254 ms  1.203 ms  1.020 ms
 5  209.234.146.17 (209.234.146.17)  1.487 ms  1.479 ms *
 6  * 64-129-238-182.static.twtelecom.net (64.129.238.182)  23.322 ms  23.314 ms

rodling

what privilieges are need to view a table? file_priv and select_priv?

HopelessN00b

Seems like file_priv might apply to files, and select_priv might apply to selects. Or be a select that applies to privs. Hard to say without more information.

Falcon Momot

6:27 PM

oh, nevermind, that isn't random stuff, it was talked about. sorry!

rodling

@FalconMomot you mean all rooms?

RobM

unless you have an opinion on beer, poutine, other cuisine of course

HopelessN00b

@FalconMomot No, it's still random... and he hasn't offered a payment method yet.

Falcon Momot

@rodling I was barking at you for potentially ignoring the "This is NOT a place for 'Live Support', Ask questions on the main site."

HopelessN00b

7 mins ago, by HopelessN00b

Emergency questions come at the emergency rate multiplier of 3x... but I do accept Visa, Mastercard, AmEx, BitCoin and envelopes stuffed with USD, GPB or EUR.

Falcon Momot

6:28 PM

woof

Wesley

@rodling Technically The Comms Room isn't for live support, and most people bristle at srsbiz being brought up here. Unless the person asking for help is @ewwhite, or you've integrated into the room as at least a some-what regular.

rodling

@FalconMomot fair enough, i am just pretty fucked right now haha threw a hail marry

Iain

@rodling did you read the docs ?

Wesley

@ewwhite is the room's pimp, so he'll smack-a-ho if you don't help him out.

Falcon Momot

* Mary

HopelessN00b

6:29 PM

@Wesley And even then, it's up to the whims of those present at the time. We help Ed out because we always get a good story about what the hell his crazy client did this time.

Wesley

@HopelessN00b and there's always a chance he'll throw paying work your way, too.

rodling

@Iain scrambling right now, doesnt make sense though. I changed select_priv to yes for that user, and when I use it it still throws an error

Wesley

Ed don't work for no cheap-ass clients paying less than $215 an hour.

So he can let some of the gravy dribble into our mouths.

Iain

@rodling it always makes sense to read the docs

Wesley

Wow that was really creepy to type.

HopelessN00b

6:30 PM

@Wesley I suppose that's motivation for some. My problem with paying work is the "work" part.

Falcon Momot

ugh, I really hate it when people ping me and then I ping back and it's dead silence

Wesley

@Iain Documentation is for chumps. #devops3hawt5u

@FalconMomot ping

rodling

@Iain I am reading them, but nothing really covers sudden reversal of privilages with no root, thanks to AWS

HopelessN00b

@Iain Not if the docs are scrambled first, which sounds like might be the case. Either way, scrambling is for eggs, not documentation.

Wesley

@rodling #justcloudthings

Falcon Momot

6:31 PM

@Wesley 10 hail marys, 50 our fathers, and a glory be.

@Wesley and five acts of contrition.

Ry Jones

@rodling call aws helpdesk

rodling

@Wesley ya I am very resentful of AWS

Falcon Momot

AWS is hard!

god

Wesley

@FalconMomot Walk on your knees across this mountain path strewn with razor blades and then you'll know what it's like to work help desk.

Falcon Momot

I've been writing an API wrapper for EC2 for weeks

Wesley

6:32 PM

@FalconMomot That actually sounds kinda cool. In what lang?

HopelessN00b

@FalconMomot Are acts of contrition like act of exhibition? Because I could go for some exhibitionism about now.

Falcon Momot

@Wesley python.

Wesley

@FalconMomot Probably the best one to use for that from what I know. (not much)

Falcon Momot

boto is really nice to use

it's just that there are so many things to deal with in EC2

TheCleaner

So....how is everyone's day so far? Because mine is just peachy...

Falcon Momot

6:33 PM

nevermind the other AWS services my project uses

TheCleaner

Falcon Momot

@TheCleaner see wesley's comment about the glass.

Wesley

@TheCleaner And by peachy you been rotten with a cyanide core?

HopelessN00b

@FalconMomot How do they do that?? Take something simple, like Linux, and make it mind-bogglingly complicated and convoluted, like Ubuntu? Is AWS part-owned by Canonical?

TheCleaner

@Wesley by peachy I mean my pic I added...stupid cloud host.

Wesley

6:35 PM

@HopelessN00b That's like an Onion headline: "Amazon buys Canonical, announces shittiest shit ever shat"

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Falcon Momot

@HopelessN00b they made also their own linux distribution

Iain

@TheCleaner I had a great riding lesson this morning, went to lunch with friends and had a couple of beers then sat in the sun reading for a while and now it's almost time for a glass of wine :)

Wesley

@Iain You're living the life.

Falcon Momot

ffs the weatherman is drunk

TAF AMD CYBW 181813Z 1818/1904 36005KT 6SM -SN SCT004 OVC010 TEMPO
1818/1819 3/4SM -SN VV004 PROB40 1818/1819 1/2SM SHSN VV004
FM181900 35010KT 11/2SM -SN VV012 TEMPO 1819/1902 1/2SM SN VV004
PROB30 1820/1902 1/4SM +SHSN VV002
FM190200 32008KT 3SM -SN OVC006 TEMPO 1902/1904 P6SM -SN SCT006
OVC012
RMK FCST BASED ON AUTO OBS. AUTO OBS REP NON-REPRESENTATIVE PCPN
TYPE. NXT FCST BY 190000Z=

Iain

@Wesley 4 day weekend

Wesley

6:36 PM

@FalconMomot Move to Arizona. The weatherman could be strung out on meth and still get it reasonably correct.

TheCleaner

@Iain sounds like a good day!

Wesley

"And today we have some sun followed by sun and a brief period of darkness before more sun."

Falcon Momot

they've issued a SPECI for pretty much every fifth minute for the past 2 hours

so much for my training flights today.

Wesley

@FalconMomot Pardon me sir but I think your cat did a barrel roll on your keyboard.

Iain

@Wesley tomorrow we will have sun then Sunday we will have dull with cool breeze followed my very dull with cold wind on Monday :(

Wesley

6:38 PM

@Iain Nothing pedaling harder can't help. =P

Or... running faster? As the case may be?

Falcon Momot

@Wesley yeah, because aviation is full of anachronisms from the days when that would be transmitted in morse or over a telex, pilots the world over must be able to read that bullshit.

Iain

@Wesley possibly

Wesley

@Iain I think I'm going to run away and become a randonneur.

TheCleaner

@Wesley cc.com/video-clips/mlhdui/comedy-central-presents-the-weather

Kevin Soviero

@Wesley Go look up the hippie dippie weather man by george carlin

Jacob

6:45 PM

Hello all.

faker

@Wesley youtube.com/watch?v=VTOCgy-kQVM

Joel E Salas

Ostracon

An ostracon (Greek: ostrakon, plural ostraka) is a piece of pottery (or stone), usually broken off from a vase or other earthenware vessel. In archaeology, ostraca may contain scratched-in words or other forms of writing which may give clues as to the time when the piece was in use. In Athens, the voting public would write or scratch the name of a person in the shard of pottery. When the decision at hand was to banish or exile a certain member of society, citizen peers would cast their vote by writing the name of the person on the piece of pottery; the vote was counted and if unfav...

Can I do this at work please

voretaq7

Delete "string to make the random number generator think it has entropy" -- HEADDESK HEADDESK HEADDESK!

Wesley

@faker Dude, I'm actually two minutes into that video already. =P Searched for them after I saw your tweet

TheCleaner

@Jacob <bows>

Wesley

6:53 PM

@voretaq7 faux entropy is the best entropy! Can I interest you in a random number? I've written one on this piece of paper so every time you want one, just look at it.

voretaq7

Jacob

@TheCleaner \huh?

SpacemanSpiff

I'M HERE!! entertain me

Tanner

@voretaq7 holy shit

TheCleaner

voretaq7

6:58 PM

@Tanner opensslrampage.org/post/83117201468/… & opensslrampage.org/post/83118317661/… respectively

so at least it should (theoretically) not happen in production code

but you weren't here for this one @Tanner: twitter.com/voretaq7/status/457037591708463104

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 - you've got a spammer...

user216972

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voretaq7

@TheCleaner I see no user here :)

(someone beat me to the "DESTROY USER" button)

Tanner

> Jesus fucking butter my ass and call me a biscuit Christ. How in the hell was that perceived to be anything but an awful idea?

bahahahaha

voretaq7

@Tanner I know, I like his Jesus invocation better than mine!

TheCleaner

:) that was fast...remind me to never try my luck with the moderators:

Jacob

7:03 PM

SpacemanSpiff

god i've missed this place

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Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley quite well

@SpacemanSpiff bah, humbug

SpacemanSpiff

:)

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker Okay cool. I've been listening to them / her for like two years and was surprised when I found out they're / she's Dutch.

You don't think of The Netherlands when you think of swing fusion bands. =P

Dennis Kaarsemaker

her / she

Tanner

7:23 PM

spacex.com/webcast/?Mission=CRS3 couple minutes until launch

voretaq7

This is a pretty awesome blog post - Might even redeem LiveJournal a tiny bit in my jaded eyes.

BigHomie

Have a prof that uses live journal on Win8, it actually doesn't look half bad, could use some improvements though

Dennis Kaarsemaker

livejournal is still a thing?

Ry Jones

@DennisKaarsemaker in russia

Kevin Soviero

Just a quick poll: Who here prefers to piss in the privacy of a stall instead of a urinal?

Wesley

7:34 PM

@KevinSoviero Me. Depending on the privacy guards and nearness of the urinals next to me.

And how tall the person is.

6'8? Yeah I'm going to the stall.

Anyone ever been at Wrigley Field?

Pissing in a big trough?

That was... weird.

Kevin Soviero

@Wesley There's a King of the Hill episode about that...

Ry Jones

Anyone need a daily driver?

maine.craigslist.org/cto/4399315633.html

Cupcake

@dawud it doesn't?

If you agree, please consider downvoting them, because right now they have a lot of upvotes, like this answer.

dawud

@Cupcake sorry, that is not what it does

BigHomie

@voretaq7 I do think I'm all that actually b/c I can compile a custom Linux kernel......

dawud

7:49 PM

it basically avoids verifying the certificate, and allows self-signed certificates to be operative. crappy but still encryted

@Cupcake from the manpage: " Whether to **verify** the SSL certificate when fetching or pushing over HTTPS"

Cupcake

@dawud right.

tombull89

I'm not looking for product recommendations, just any recommendations that will allow this functionality. Please re-open the question. — KG6ZVP 13 mins ago

Cupcake

@dawud but what if you're trying to connect to GitHub and you turn off SSL verification?

tombull89

aww :(

dawud

@Cupcake then there is the possibility of a MITM attack, of course.

Cupcake

7:51 PM

@dawud doesn't that allow Man in the Middle attacks?

dawud

see above

Cupcake

@dawud well, that is why I suggested downvoting the answers, but if you think that the answer should be clarified as to when it's actually appropriate to use, that's also an option instead. Thanks for the input!

dawud

@Cupcake no problem

Wesley

Uh oh, it is star ALL the @dawud things! time?

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Cupcake

I STAR ALL TEH TINGS! :D :P

dawud

7:57 PM

@Cupcake don't quote me on that. I'll call my lawyer...
(Better call Saul!)

Kevin Soviero

@Cupcake Is "TEH" pronounced "the", or "te"?

Wesley

@KevinSoviero I pronounce teh as teh.

Cupcake

^

@KevinSoviero In my head, it's "te".

Wesley

@LucasKauffman Here's a llama, there's a llama, and another little Llama
Fuzzy Llama, Funny Llama, llama llama duck

Llama, llama, cheesecake, llama, tablet, brick, potato llama, llama llama, mushroom llama, llama llama duck

Kevin Soviero

@Wesley What. The. Fuck?

Wesley

7:59 PM

I was once a treehouse, i lived in a cake,
though i never saw the way, the orange slayed the rake,
i was only three years dead, but it told a tale
and now listen, little child, to the safety rail

Have you ever seen a llama, kiss a llama, on a llama
llama's llama, tastes of llama, llama llama duck

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Lucas Kauffman, Belgium

26.4k 4 43 90

passwords encryption web-application authentication network ssl penetration-test

Kevin Soviero

@Wesley Why are any of you starring this!?

Wesley

Lucas is a llama

Tanner

►

has youtube always one-boxed?

voretaq7

@Tanner yup

@BigHomie I'll be honest: I've NEVER gotten a custom Linux kernel to compile and boot properly.

No problem with Free/Net/OpenBSD where you have to hand-edit a conf file and use arcane make commands

Wesley

@voretaq7 You have to bribe Stallman with toe jam.

voretaq7

8:05 PM

but "make menuconfig" always leaves me with an unbootable mess

Wesley

Sacrifice your Odor Eaters on ye Altar of Zee Elderstallman

voretaq7

@Wesley Unlike Fearless Freakshow, I bathe daily.

BigHomie

@voretaq7 To be honest, I've cheated, but it was still a pain

voretaq7

@BigHomie My attitude toward the Linux kernel is "Fine. Whatever. I'll deal with the fucking bloated-ass default vendor kernel."

Wesley

@BigHomie How do you cheat at Linux? Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Righ-Penguinchow?

voretaq7

8:07 PM

My attitude toward the BSD kernel is best expressed in meme -- This cat is my inspiration for writing kernel configs:

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BigHomie

@Wesley a lot of the process is automated there, of course, if you're feeling frisky, you could always start from scratch

@voretaq7 == Frisky

voretaq7

Fuck FakeRAID, Fuck 3COM 10Mbit NICS, fuck MSDOSFS too, fuck all these RAID controllers I'm never going to install. Fuck IPFW in particular.

Basil

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dawud

See the tree here:

0

Q: Why can't apache create log files?

apache-2.2 centos file-permissions

I cry when I see `/home/test/apache/domain/logs`. I cry.

Kevin Soviero

@dawud We all do @dawud... We all do.

dawud

8:18 PM

I know it looks like the right thing to do when it's for developers to have their own $HOME and shit. But this is a nope-nope.

@KevinSoviero I give git access to a gitolite3 instance that pushes to the live repo, that's all the access developers need. That and sudo restart httpd.

voretaq7

My perl problem continues to elude and frustrate me.

@dawud I cockpunch. Someone else cries.

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Wesley