The Comms Room

jscott

2:00 AM

I know you can assign alternate UPN suffixes. We have none.

Ryan Ries

jscott

But I edited a users userPrincipalName to jscott@fairport.org and he was able to auth using "jscott@fairport.org" -- is the whole alternate UPN suffix thing just a convenience for people who don't pollute their AD directly?

Ryan Ries

I wasn't so happy that it's Friday that I left out a very crucial 'Z', that would have been epic.

jscott

@RyanRies I'm almost in tears with laughter

Ryan Ries

I, uh, hm.

>.< I could have pulled it off so much better

But... it is pretty funny :)

MDMarra

2:07 AM

@jscott thats the point of alternate suffixes

jscott

@MDMarra So then, just a convenience for tech creating accounts by hand?

MDMarra

also, if you use O365/intune and use dirsync, if you want to do SSO with ADFS, you need the user's UPN in your on-premises AD to match that of your mail domain

Kevin Soviero

I've scheduled a meeting with my manager for Monday to talk about moving to a different position within the company... I can't do tech support.

MDMarra

Wait, sorry. I think I misunderstood your question

What do you mean by "dont pollute their AD directly?"

jscott

@MDMarra Maybe, I'm buzzed.

MDMarra

2:09 AM

@KevinSoviero Do you have experience outside of your self-employed consulting gig?

Ryan Ries

For posterity

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra Does four months as a Linux engineer count?

Ryan Ries

MDMarra

@KevinSoviero not really

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra Than no.

jscott

2:10 AM

@MDMarra If I "just" edit userPrincipalName to be user@example.tld it "works" for auth. I've not "blessed" any alternate UPN suffixes in Sites. Is that legit?

MDMarra

oh

it won't work across trusts and stuff

jscott

@MDMarra AH HA! That's the magix

Thanks.

MDMarra

you need to define a domain-wide suffix for UPN routing or whatever it's called to work across a forest trust

@jscott NP

@KevinSoviero Gotta cut your teeth somewhere, man

You're gonna have a hell of a time trying to get an engineering position at 20 with only 4 months of experience. People just don't hire like that

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra The thing is that I know quite a bit, I could get my RHCE tomorrow. I took the class and ended up co-teaching by the end... Linux is easy for me, just because I haven't worked somewhere before, why does that have any bearing on what floating around in my head?

jscott

@RyanRies Thank you, I was honestly nearly in tears over the misspelt one.

MDMarra

2:13 AM

@KevinSoviero because there's more to jobs like that than how much someone knows

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra Like?

jscott

@KevinSoviero Got your kernel commits in github?

Kevin Soviero

@jscott Not a dev.

jscott

@KevinSoviero Why?

Kevin Soviero

@jscott Because I find it mundane and boring.

jscott

2:15 AM

If you're going to know a system, you should be developing for/on/it.

MDMarra

@KevinSoviero Like how you handle/recover from enormous fuckups. How you navigate or fit into workplace politics. How broad your experience is and how many environments you've seen/touched/been exposed to. There are certain things that can only come from experience.

jscott

Office politics is huge.

MDMarra

The more important the position, the more critical it is that you can maneuver the workplace politics and come out ahead. The higher you are, the more people want your job

By the same token, hiring managers don't want to hire someone that can make them look bad. And on paper, you're all risk

Kevin Soviero

I'm so unmotivated and depressed at this point, that I might give up on IT and go do something else...

MDMarra

Dude, it'll be like this for any job

No one goes to mid-high levels right from the beginning. everyone puts time in at the bottom

jscott

2:17 AM

@KevinSoviero Well you're only 20[?] you could do anything.

Kevin Soviero

Every job requires you to do support in a call center?

MDMarra

no, but every job requires you to start doing shit you'd rather not do

jscott

@KevinSoviero Fuck mate. I still take calls.

MDMarra

but if you're doing something that you actually love to do, you suck it up, be the best support dude on the line, and people will notice quickly and you'll be good

jscott

I may not field level 1 "how do I copy/paste" but if someone in the district office calls for support, any the other guys are stumped, I get the call/ticket.

MDMarra

2:19 AM

Now don't get me wrong man. I'm not trying to talk you out of trying to advance. I'm just saying that it might be unrealistic given the fact that you're untested in the workplace.

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra I can't be the best support guy on the line, if I spend the whole time hating my life.

MDMarra

Yeah, see I dunno the specifics of this position. But at 20 with 4 months of work experience, it'll be hard to even get a foot in the door for anything more than a jr admin

everyone does their time at the bottom, dude

Kevin Soviero

@MDMarra It's Linux tech support. Customer with Linux VMs call in asking how to SSH and why their Linux box doesn't have a GUI... And we're not allowed to login to the servers either, hand-holding only...

MDMarra

i spent 4 years at a computer repair shop. left there as the manager. went and did a helpdesk job, within 6 months was a sysadmin, left there 4 years later as a sr sys admin. left for another place that sucked for 10 months, and now i'm a sr solutions architect

I started right around 19/20 swapping motherboards on laptops

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