The Hangar

8:02 PM

new update @voretaq7 @egid @PatoSáinz @BretCopeland

!!weather lpl

@DannyBeckett LPL/EGGP: Liverpool John Lennon Airport • Observed: 43 mins ago • Wind: 190°/S @ 18kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 2,800ft; Scattered clouds @ 3,900ft • Temperature: 9.0°C/48°F • Dewpoint: 6.0°C/43°F • Pressure: 29.08" Hg/985mb • Conditions: VFR

Danny Beckett

!!weather jfk

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett JFK/KJFK: John F Kennedy International Airport • Observed: 12 mins ago • Wind: 270°/W @ 13kts • Visibility: 10.0mi/16.09km • Sky (AGL): Few clouds @ 3,400ft; Broken clouds @ 8,500ft; Broken clouds @ 10,000ft • Temperature: 4.4°C/40°F • Dewpoint: -0.6°C/31°F • Pressure: 29.50" Hg/999mb • Conditions: VFR

Anonymous

the update is that now it describes airport names?

Danny Beckett

yup

took a lot of code

also, it gives both airport codes now

and conditions has been moved to the end

Anonymous

8:04 PM

keep up the good fucking work

Danny Beckett

thanks! :)

Anonymous

maybe it should translate the conditions when !!weather is used

Danny Beckett

!!weather scl

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett SCL/SCEL: Comodoro Arturo Merino BenÃtez International Airport • Observed: 5 mins ago • Wind: 220°/SW @ 16kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Sky (AGL): Ceiling & visibility ok • Temperature: 32.0°C/90°F • Dewpoint: 10.0°C/50°F • Pressure: 29.85" Hg/1,011mb • Conditions: VFR

Danny Beckett

nice airport name :p

@PatoSáinz a couple of us discussed that (you mean VFR -> Visual Flight Rules, right?)... we decided it was ok

Anonymous

8:05 PM

oh alright

Danny Beckett

JS now at 210 lines - PHP at 104 lines

Anonymous

js and php?

Anonymous

;_;

Danny Beckett

yup

do you know PHP?

Anonymous

a veeery very little

Danny Beckett

8:09 PM

github.com/dannybeckett/so-chatbot-php-helper

Anonymous

i've done some php work... it's sort of similar to perl

Danny Beckett

Airport.php is what I just wrote to get the names working

yeah it's based on Perl

Anonymous

wait what...

Danny Beckett

PHP = Perl Hypertext Processor

Anonymous

object oriented PHP?

Danny Beckett

8:10 PM

of course!

Anonymous

OH GOSH MY EYES PLEASE STOP IT IT BURNSSSSS

Danny Beckett

lmao

if you say so ;)

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett if you have a php helper... then you can make an interface to perl too... right?

Anonymous

i mean, how is the php helper connected to the js bot?

Danny Beckett

basically the bot REQUIRES the data to be in JSONP format

the PHP just gives it that

egid

8:12 PM

@DannyBeckett I always thought PHP stood for PHP Hypertext Preprocessor

Danny Beckett

from XML (for the weather data) and a screenscrape (for the airport name)

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett can you please point the specific part of the js code that does that?

egid

!!wikipedia PHP

Otto the Autopilot

PHP

PHP is a server-side scripting language designed for web development but also used as a general-purpose programming language. PHP is now installed on more than 244 million websites and 2.1 million web servers. Originally created by Rasmus Lerdorf in 1995, the reference implementation of PHP is now produced by The PHP Group. While PHP originally stood for Personal Home Page, it now stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor, a recursive backronym. PHP code is interpreted by a web server with a PHP processor module, which generates the resulting web page: PHP commands can be embedded directl...

Anonymous

@egid it does lol

Otto the Autopilot

8:12 PM

@egid That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Danny Beckett

you're right, just Googled it

egid

@DannyBeckett do you know how the chat snippets like that get made?

Danny Beckett

it's still based on Perl though, I thought

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett i don't think it is

Anonymous

also

egid

8:13 PM

maybe that's how you could do more presentational scripts

Danny Beckett

@egid It's called oneboxing

egid

it is a cgi script yes

php requires cgi

Anonymous

@egid those snippets are added by the server itself... we can't do anything to make more snippets

egid

@PatoSáinz ah ok

Danny Beckett

30

Q: Differences between Perl and PHP

I'm planning to learn Perl 5 and as I have only used PHP until now, I wanted to know a bit about how the languages differ from each other. As PHP started out as a set of "Perl hacks" it has obviously cloned some of Perls features. What are the main differences in the syntax? Is it true that wi...

Anonymous

8:13 PM

there's nothing the bot can do

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett omg! now that i know that i can make my perl code interface its data to your bot...

Danny Beckett

bad question, but "As PHP started out as a set of "Perl hacks" it has obviously cloned some of Perl"

Anonymous

I'll help you

Danny Beckett

@PatoSáinz everything that I have written JS-wise is in weather.js

specifically, the part that does it, is:

IO.jsonp({
        url:                'http://dannybeckett.co.uk/AviationBot/Weather.php',
        jsonpName:        'callback',
        fun:                finish,
        data:                {
                                            a:        query
                                }
        });

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett how does it input data from the js bot

Anonymous

8:15 PM

is there any way?

Danny Beckett

what do you mean?

Anonymous

like if there was a way to say "!!fuck you all"and js said sendtoperlinterface->fuck('you', 'all') to the perl code... so perl knew that fuck is being invoked with those args

Danny Beckett

@egid not any more, AFAIK

Anonymous

like an ARGV for perl

Anonymous

inputting data

Anonymous

8:17 PM

since perl doesn't read the chat directly and there's no api (but JS)

Danny Beckett

!!tell egid google php cgi vs module

Otto the Autopilot

@egid docs.joomla.org/… ; stackoverflow.com/questions/78108/… ; blog.layershift.com/which-php-mode-apache-vs-cgi-vs-fastcgi

Anonymous

because weather.php is output-only

Danny Beckett

ohhhh

that's handled in JS

Anonymous

damn

Danny Beckett

8:18 PM

you just get passed the whole thing as args

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett can JS+node.js run a shell?

Anonymous

like

Danny Beckett

I have root access to the server, if that's what you mean

and I've installed Node.JS on to it

Anonymous

"if (command is invoked) { DOMIGHTYNODEJSSHELL('script.pl arg1 arg2'); }"

Anonymous

if node.js has a function or a module to get a shell

Anonymous

8:20 PM

pretty much like perl has the exec() function

Anonymous

or the backtick operator

Danny Beckett

yes, in a round about way

as I say, the external resources you call MUST reply in JSONP format

you can put a .pl script on the server

so long as it outputs JSONP

Anonymous

alright

Danny Beckett

even an empty JSONP is fine

Anonymous

i'll think of a feature later

Anonymous

8:21 PM

and when i get to my dev battlestation i'll do it

Danny Beckett

I already have one actually... a restart command

Anonymous

(long time i don't code)

Danny Beckett

I'm having to keep SSH open just to issue ./restart.sh

Anonymous

a restart? well, that's a job for pure js

Anonymous

cron job?

Danny Beckett

8:22 PM

every time the source code is changed, you have to restart the bot

i.e. when I make updates to the !!weather command

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett hang on a minute plz

Danny Beckett

lol k

Anonymous

pastebin.com/eZe1zfe9

Anonymous

this is the most ugly irc bot script you'll see in perl

Anonymous

but it works

Anonymous

8:23 PM

> if ($stuffy2[1] =~ /^\@restart/i && $access >= 10) {
my @rreason = split('@restart ', $stuffy2[1]);
print $sock "PRIVMSG ".$monchan." :\00304"."RESTARTING PER $user4[0] REQUEST: $rreason[1]"."\r\n";
print $sock "QUIT :$rreason[1]\r\n"; exec($^X, $0, @ARGV); }

Danny Beckett

I was literally just typing... "wtf is that monstrosity"

Anonymous

i had the same problem

Danny Beckett

but you beat me to it

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett i coded it thanks

Danny Beckett

ahahaha, sorry

Anonymous

8:24 PM

it was my first script

Danny Beckett

you don't like to use Tab?

Anonymous

something fucked up indentation

Danny Beckett

ah fair enough!

Anonymous

@DannyBeckett it short, it makes send a QUIT command to IRC

Anonymous

and then reload itself

Danny Beckett

8:25 PM

This is what I need to be able to run by issuing a command to the bot:

#!/bin/sh

basedir=~/dev;

cd $basedir/SO-ChatBot;
node build.js;

cp $basedir/SO-ChatBot/master.min.js $basedir/so-chatbot-driver;
exec $basedir/restartpjs.sh

cd $basedir;

Anonymous

> exec($^X, $0, @ARGV);

Anonymous

if there was a direct api in node.js where you could make it run itself again, you could do that

Danny Beckett

oh and there's of course restartpjs.sh as well

Anonymous

$^X, $0 means "run current program" and @ARGV are all command-line arguements i may have passed to it

Danny Beckett

......btw, we should probably stop the programming talk in The Hangar

Anonymous

8:26 PM

when it re runs, it reconnects the server and etc.

Anonymous

oh right

Danny Beckett

I got told off for it once before (lol)

Anonymous

to the testing room!

Danny Beckett

;)

New Air Crash Investigation in 30 minutes on Nat Geo UK (I guess EU too)

Danny Beckett

8:57 PM

starting... :)

it's about JFK

American 587

voretaq7

9:18 PM

hey look I have an internet connection at my desk again!

Danny Beckett

9:29 PM

lol @voretaq7

have you always lived in NY? @voretaq7

nice question btw

voretaq7

9:40 PM

@DannyBeckett for the most part, yes

i've spent time in California, Chicago, and a few other places

but New York is "Home"

Danny Beckett

all nice places!

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett Chicago is not a nice place. Not only do they bust up perfectly good airports, Winter there is like something out of Game of Thrones :P

Danny Beckett

lmao!

voretaq7

(and those freaks think pizza is some kind of a soup in a bread bowl)

Danny Beckett

?

voretaq7

9:41 PM

"Chicago style" pizza

Danny Beckett

!!google chicago style pizza

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_pizza ; loumalnatis.com ; giordanos.com

voretaq7

usually a sloppy wet deep-dish mess

Danny Beckett

!!wiki chicago style pizza

Otto the Autopilot

Chicago-style pizza

Chicago-style pizza includes several different pizza styles developed in Chicago. Chicago-style deep-dish pizza has a crust up to three inches tall at the edge, slightly higher than the ingredients, which include large amounts of cheese and chunky tomato sauce. Besides the deep-dish style, there is also stuffed pizza. Most pizzerias in Chicago also serve thin-crust pizza in a style characteristic to the city, although Chicago-style pizza is most commonly known for the deep-dish style of pizza outside the Chicago metropolitan area. Styles of pizza Deep-dish pizza The Chicago-style de...

Danny Beckett

9:42 PM

lol I'll take your word for it

ah, like this?

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett Our runway numbers bother the hell out of me. Granted if you do a fast set of your DG to the runway heading it's just the difference between being off by 4 degrees or 6, and you shouldn't do that anyway, but it bugs me :P

egid

@DannyBeckett PHP in many cases doesn't have SAPI support and runs on cgi or fastcgi

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett Ayup

egid

i know that dreamhost, for example, runs php with fastcgi enabled

voretaq7

@egid I need to convert my home machine to PHP+FastCGI so I can get away from the prefork MPM on my system

Danny Beckett

9:44 PM

@egid I have my own boxes, so that's not an issue for me ;)

voretaq7

(we switched to Worker at work because we ripped PHP out of the production environment)

Danny Beckett

I'm gonna watch the last 15 mins of this new Air Crash Investigation anyway guys

.....holy shit, the pilot ripped off the vertical stabiliser!!

egh, adverts.

do you remember this accident @voretaq7?

Boeing in November 2001 into the Bronx

.......god, American Airline pilots were trained to do it

to use severe sustained alternating rudder in wake turbulence

Right, I'm off for tonight. Seeya guys

Bret Copeland

10:09 PM

room topic changed to The Hangar: aviation.stackexchange.com Tell your friends! (no tags)

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voretaq7

@DannyBeckett oh this is the one where they stomped on the rudder pedals so hard they tore the tail off?

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 yeah exactly

voretaq7

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Danny Beckett

more like, repeatedly pressed the rudder back and forth

voretaq7

> If you are using Microsoft Internet Explore (IE) v11 as your internet browser, this site may not work for you. It appears that IEv11 currently doesn't work properly with another Microsoft product that this site also uses. You could try using the "compatibility mode" feature of IEv11 with this web site. Otherwise, this problem will persist until that issue is resolved.

From the FAA Airman Registry Search page:

Danny Beckett

10:19 PM

thinking it was wake turbulence... it was his inputs causing the plane to go wild the whole time

voretaq7

Even the FAA picks on Microsoft.

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 lol... I like the NTSB's 404 message (read it)

ntsb.gov/Registration/registration.htm

voretaq7

@DannyBeckett I never understood how AA trained pilots to do that. All my instructors were all about "Smooth, steady control inputs"

@DannyBeckett I want the NTSB's 500 error page to feature photos from accident investigation scenes

but they would probably say that's "in bad taste"

Danny Beckett

or "server investigation scenes"

since a 500's a server error

voretaq7

Danny Beckett

10:22 PM

I've seen a DC like that before actually... not a pretty site

took me 2 solid weeks of painful rewiring

when I say DC, tiny DC

right, I'm off... seeya

voretaq7

11:15 PM

OK, afd or airport-facility-directory? :-) I used afd on this question for now but I'm not opposed to changing it...

Anonymous

11:32 PM

good day

egid

11:46 PM

@voretaq7 if i remember right, the A300 at the time did not have control rate modifiers based on aircraft speed

most modern FBW airliners reduce the inputs as speed increases

American Airlines Flight 587

American Airlines Flight 587 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City to Santo Domingo's Las Américas International Airport in the Dominican Republic. On November 12, 2001, the Airbus A300-600 airliner operating the flight crashed into the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, a borough of New York City, shortly after takeoff. All 260 people on board the flight were killed, along with five people on the ground. It is the second-deadliest aviation incident involving an Airbus A300, after Iran Air Flight 655 and the second-deadli...

ah the a300 was mechanical not fbw

> Most aircraft require increased pressure on the rudder pedals to achieve the same amount of rudder control at a higher speed. The Airbus A300 and later A310 do not operate on a fly-by-wire flight control system, instead using conventional mechanical flight controls. The NTSB determined that "because of its high sensitivity, the A300-600 rudder control system is susceptible to potentially hazardous rudder pedal inputs at higher speeds".

Bret Copeland

@voretaq7 For now, I don't think it matters. I think the ultimate answer is still tag synonyms. We'll probably start implementing them in a few weeks, and I'll make a meta post about it at that time... if that works for everyone.

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