The Hangar

12:54 AM

hey all

1:42 AM

@voretaq7 I also enjoy a short approach much more than a normal pattern. A possible exception though is in a heavy crosswind where it's nice to have a longer final to try to get a better sense of the wind.

lnafziger

How's it going Brett?

err, Bret?

Bret Copeland

@lnafziger This are, you know... Friday night. Girlfriend just arrived so, aviation chat room is probably not going to be as much of an option.

lnafziger

@BretCopeland Haha, well it sounds like you will have more fun if you aren't here anyway. :)

I'm stuck in Richmond, VA for the night though so don't have much else to do.

Bret Copeland

2:12 AM

@lnafziger she says Richmond is a nice place.

lnafziger

Yeah, it's just wet and cold right now, lol.

Bret Copeland

Well, I have to go get ingredients and make tacos now.

lnafziger

Cool, have a good night then!

Falk

3:24 AM

@Terry okay, so it's really meat to be used for the Jubo. Now somebody needs to help me to understand the use of it for others than you Terry, who obviously enjoyed creating it.

Anonymous

@Terry mad respect for what you've done, keep up the good work!

Bret Copeland

3:54 AM

@lnafziger for the record. Tacos were a complete success.

tacoverflow.com

lnafziger

@BretCopeland Haha, nice site!

lnafziger

5:52 AM

@Qantas94Heavy Took you long enough!

@Qantas94Heavy :-)

voretaq7

@BretCopeland Agreed - if the wind is really gusty or a nasty crosswind component I'm a little less likely to ask for or accept a short approach. I like the extra work, but if I already have to work to deal with the wind already - meh :)

lnafziger

what's up @voretaq7

voretaq7

@lnafziger n2m, getting in from my semi-date

lnafziger

what's a semi-date? ;-)

voretaq7

@lnafziger first time meeting someone, informal dinner, coffee, nobody winds up at anyone else's house :)

lnafziger

6:00 AM

Ahhh, gotcha. How did it go?

voretaq7

I'll probably see him again :)

lnafziger

cool

Would you hurry up and get to 3k? It's lonely up here. ;-)

voretaq7

@lnafziger lol you guys have been posting good answers to all the new questions before me!

lnafziger

I was barely even on today... Gave you a break while I was working!

voretaq7

listening to UCAP talk about the driver's license medical proposal - they're hitting exactly the point that bugs me (the DL medical is "VFR only", so all the folks with an instrument rating who just skip out on the 3rd class medical will start scud running because they can't go IFR legally)

lnafziger

6:09 AM

Yeah, that won't be good... The part that scares me though is that there are people out there who know that they can't pass a medical, but if they aren't required to have one will happily go jump in an airplane using only their DL....

Even if it is day vfr it's still an airplane!

voretaq7

yeah, that bothers me a little

I don't think it will be as much of a problem as some folks though - they can already jump in a Cessna 150 as "light sport"

lnafziger

yeah, that's what bothered me about that too, lol.

voretaq7

the LSA accident rate hasn't been that bad though from what I understand

the third class medical is a joke anyway - about the only thing I'm really worried about are diabetics

I know some diabetics who are SHIT about managing their sugar, and they can get a driver's license no problem

also I despise the medical because every AME around here uses the stupid prism machine for the eye test, and they're never properly aligned. just buy a goddamn snellen chart and draw a 20 foot line!

lnafziger

Yeah right? I had one pilot tell me that he was out on the road and needed to get his medical so he called his AME that he always used, and the guy just mailed him his new one. Never even went into the office.

voretaq7

@lnafziger oy.

I just make sure I see my optometrist within 30 days of my medical and have him fill out the eye test form - no AME has ever given me crap about it, but if they ever do "here's the stupid paper."

lnafziger

6:20 AM

Then I saw another pilot let his medical expire (he didn't get a new one because he was afraid to report his third DUI on the application) and he flew around for over a year without having on at all.

voretaq7

@lnafziger oh for the love of kittens

lnafziger

Oh, and he flew Learjets for a charter company, lol.

voretaq7

And we have the national driver registry which consolidates this shit -- how does the FAA not review that? sigh

@lnafziger "At least he always had a (hopefully sober) right seater" ?

lnafziger

Yeah well, he finally got caught but it was because of a US Customs issue that got reported to their POI. The POI then did a records check as a matter of due course, and it came up.

Yeah, I hope so, lol.

Did you see the update to my answer: aviation.stackexchange.com/a/355/69

voretaq7

@lnafziger the faa is here to help us...somtimes really!

lnafziger

6:24 AM

@voretaq7 lmao, yup

It took me a minute to figure out though: What is a P-NOTAM?

voretaq7

@lnafziger Procedure :)

lnafziger

Procedural, right?

voretaq7

nbaa.org/ops/airspace/issues/notam-realignment/FAA20070919.pdf was very helpful to me when I came back from my training gap & FUCKING EVERYTHING CHANGED

lnafziger

Hadn't seen that one before...

Hey, that link is what I found when I searched.. :)

voretaq7

there's an FAA thing too but I have that one bookmarked :P

lnafziger

6:27 AM

I like the two diagrams (pages 4 and 5). duh

voretaq7

you may notice some streamlining? :)

lnafziger

gotta love it

Oh, did you see that Qantas self-nominated for a mod spot?

voretaq7

nope havent patrolled meta since this am

lnafziger

He just did it a little bit ago. Well written nomination, probably the best of the bunch! :)

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

Have a good night!

voretaq7

nyte :)

lnafziger

6:31 AM

Oh, I'll give you one question to answer before I go... Hold on a minute.

There you go: aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/888/…

Anonymous

@lnafziger if i remember planes are faraday cages... dunno

Qantas 94 Heavy

> As the desired angle of bank is established, aileron and rudder pressures should be relaxed.

Is this not obvious?

Danny Beckett

@Zirak Hey! I can't remember exactly how I was getting the parseMessage invalid logs, but everything's working now! :) Thanks for getting back to me

lnafziger

Everyone showed up at once!

Danny Beckett

@egid It does and it doesn't. ADDS just returns resp.data['@attributes'].num_results === '0', but if you enter an IATA code instead of ICAO, then you do get an error saying there's no such airport:

'No matching ICAO code could be found for the IATA code ' + query + '! Check you typed the correct 3-letter IATA code, or type its 4-letter ICAO code instead.'

lnafziger

6:43 AM

@Qantas94Heavy What is that quote from?

Danny Beckett

@voretaq7 Yeah, !!weather doesn't decode these remarks/flags yet, it's on my to-do list

Qantas 94 Heavy

@lnafziger: that's from the Airplane Flying Handbook, FAA

lnafziger

@Qantas94Heavy Haha, nice

Danny Beckett

@called2voyage Exactly! It's coming... :)

@voretaq7 that's odd, you should've seen an error. Will add this to my list to look at

@lnafziger You can just click the "upload" button to the right of where you type a message (not sure if the mobile client has the same feature)

lnafziger

@DannyBeckett I don't think that's on my iPad.

Danny Beckett

6:51 AM

@egid He was going to, but I think it's a case of when he gets a chance. I'm happy to show you to get started writing commands for the bot, just give me a ping. All help is appreciated!

@lnafziger ah I see :(

lnafziger

alright guys, I'm off to bed. Have a good night!

Danny Beckett

night!

Danny Beckett

8:13 AM

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Guided Tour Inside the E-4B NAOC Doomsday Plane - This is the interior of one of the four Doomsday Planes operated by the Air Force. These planes would keep the Secretary of Defense and the top brass of the US military alive and in the Earth in the case of massive terrorist attacks, nuclear strikes, asteroids hitting Earth, super volcano eruptions, and zombie invasions (Gizmodo)

Danny Beckett

9:25 AM

@voretaq7 The problem with !!metar xkta not responding has now been fixed

!!metar xkta

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett No data could be found within the last 24 hours for XKTA! Check you typed the correct 3-letter IATA or 4-letter ICAO airport code.

Qantas 94 Heavy

10:57 AM

!!metar KAVX

Otto the Autopilot

METAR KAVX 111051Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 15/01 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP191 T01500006 TSNO

Stack Exchange

11:32 AM

This Day in Aviation: 11–12 January 1935

posted on January 11, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

11 January 1935: At 4:40 p.m., Amelia Earhart departed Wheeler Field, Oahu, Territory of Hawaii, for Oakland Municipal Airport, Oakland, California, in her Lockheed Vega 5C Special, NR965Y. 18 hours, 15 minutes later, she was the first person to fly solo from Hawaii to the Mainland. (This Vega was not the same aircraft which she […] The post 11–12 January 1935 appeared first on This Day i…

Stack Exchange

11:51 AM

This Day in Aviation: 11 January 1938

posted on January 11, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

11 January 1938: Pan American Airways’ Sikorsky S-42B NC16734, Samoan Clipper, took off from Pago Pago, American Samoa, enroute Auckland, New Zealand. The airplane had a crew of seven, commanded by Captain Edwin C. Musick, the airline’s senior pilot, and a cargo of mail. About two hours out, the number four engine began leaking oil. […] The post 11 January 1938 appeared first …

Stack Exchange

2:36 PM

This Day in Aviation: 11 January 1944

posted on January 11, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

11 January 1944: Major James Howell Howard, USAAF, commander of the 356th Fighter Squadron, 354th Fighter Group, Eighth Air Force, led fifty P-51 Mustangs escorting three divisions of B-17 Flying Fortresses on a raid against Oschersleben, near Berlin, Germany. As defending Luftwaffe fighters attacked the bomber formation, Major Howard immediately went on the offensive and […] The post 11 …

This Day in Aviation: 11 January 1962

posted on January 11, 2014 by Bryan Swopes

11 January 1962: Colonel Clyde P. Evely, United States Air Force, and his crew flew their Boeing B-52H-150-BW Stratofortress, 60-0040, of the 4136th Strategic Wing, from Kadena Air Force Base, Okinawa to Torrejon Air Base, Spain. Called Operation Persian Rug, this was an unrefueled 21 hour, 52 minute flight that covered 12,532.30 miles (20,168.78 kilometers) […] The post 11 January 1962 a…

DeltaLima

3:41 PM

!!metar ehrd

Otto the Autopilot

METAR EHRD 111525Z AUTO 28011KT 240V320 9999 SCT028 SCT035 07/03 Q1018 NOSIG

dF.

4:28 PM

!!metar KDCA

Otto the Autopilot

SPECI KDCA 111624Z 20007KT 2 1/2SM RA BR BKN003 OVC075 06/05 A2970 RMK AO2 P0011

lnafziger

7:16 PM

@Pondlife i disagree that an airport implies only large airports with commercial traffic. I even hear non-aviation people refer to the "small" airports.

egid

7:55 PM

@lnafziger wait, what?

just curious about context

oh, i see... the tag wiki

lnafziger

@egid hey, yeah

egid

i wish you could improve tag wiki proposals

the system is a little clunky

lnafziger

Yeah, just like proposed edits on questions and answers...

egid

8:43 PM

@lnafziger the Europe part got added, I think

ah, no, it was a remark at the end, that's how i missed it

Pondlife

9:20 PM

@lnafziger I know what you mean. My main point - which may not have come across well the summary - is that "airport" covers everything, regardless of size. Hence the wording "Airports vary widely in size from large international commercial hubs with multiple runways to smaller general aviation airfields and private grass strips".

@lnafziger Wikipedia even has a section on terminology under airport, but it uses "aerodrome" (which I very rarely hear used) in the same way that I referred to "airfield". FWIW, I'm a British English speaker so that might colo(u)r my opinion :)

egid

@Pondlife i get that, but I think often the wording is more to do with usage

I frequently fly in and out of a 3000x50' "international airport"

it has customs

Pondlife

@egid Yes, usage is everything here. IMO, there is no clear distinction between airport, airfield and aerodrome. ATC even asks me to "report the field in sight". Do you agree that "airport" should cover everything? If so, how could I make the clearer in my proposal? If not, why not?

egid

most airports in the US are called airports, regardless of size

field is a synonym i suppose

i would suggest removing "but using the word airport usually implies that the facility is relatively large, public and primarily handles scheduled commercial traffic."

Pondlife

@egid Yes, I think airport should be the primary tag, with airfield and aerodrome as synonyms.

@egid I'll remove the phrase you suggest, although personally I think it's reasonable. I don"t go to the (GA) "airport" to fly, I go to the "airfield". But again, this may be British vs American English, or it my just be me :-) Either way, it's not worth worrying about it if you and others feel strongly it should be changed.

@egid I've changed it, let me know what you think

egid

9:49 PM

@Pondlife that's definitely a Britishism :)

I definitely "go to the airport" etc

Pondlife

@egid OK, good to know :-)

egid

well, I guess I should say that it's definitely not an Americanism ;)

I can't speak for other english speakers

Pondlife

Neither can I :-)

Anonymous

psst @BretCopeland @lnafziger

Bret Copeland

@PatoSáinz WHAT?!

Anonymous

10:04 PM

@BretCopeland FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY ARE YOU SO RUDE BRET

Anonymous

also, would it be ok if I made a canonical question (i think that's how they are called) listing every country's FAA-equivalent (don't know how the exact "category" is called in english)

Anonymous

i don't know you are the CM, you tell me

Anonymous

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Bret Copeland

@PatoSáinz as an actual response to your question, I would say yes, but with a caveat.

There should probably only be one response, and it should be a community wiki.

Anonymous

OH NO REP = NO FUN FUCK IT

Anonymous

10:09 PM

lol will still do as soon as i'm free

Bret Copeland

Haha, you could get rep on the question.

@PatoSáinz Airport Simulator looks like less fun that I would have hoped.

@PatoSáinz I'm a little sad you didn't acknowledge my trolling edit of your message... grrr, I guess I'll change it back and mark that down as a win in your column.

Anonymous

10:30 PM

@BretCopeland lol i was busy watching that video in full screen

Anonymous

also yea it needs more fun

Bret Copeland

It just doesn't seem to have much to do with airplanes. It's like, busy work.

Anonymous

yes, because it's an airport simulator, not a flight simulator nor an ATC sim

Anonymous

god an ATC sim would be horrible

Bret Copeland

@PatoSáinz disagree. ATC sims can actually be quite fun.

Anonymous

10:32 PM

have a link to one?

Steve V.

atc-sim.com

Anonymous

it's just a fucking radar

Bret Copeland

atc-sim.com is a fun for a simple free one. If you want to spend some money, feelthere.com has some non-horrible ones, though they still suffer from some realism problems.

lnafziger

Hey, only have a second on my phone but wanted to point out for the airport wiki that, at least here in the US, We have airports, gliderports, heliporys, seaports, etc. but only the airport is referred to as an airport. @Pondlife @egid

And I also agree that airfield and aerodrome should be synonyms for airport.

Qantas 94 Heavy

Well they both refer to the same concept, so yeah they should probably be synonyms

voretaq7

10:55 PM

@PatoSáinz vatsim.net/atc /cc: @BretCopeland

Anonymous

"Have you ever dreamed of being an Air Traffic Controller?"

Anonymous

lol

Qantas 94 Heavy

sometimes on vatsim you'll find pilots who think they know the best though

not really a fan

voretaq7

So you're saying VATSIM needs an FAA to take enforcement actions against pilots who ignore ATC clearances? Virtual FSDO! "Ever dreamed of being an FAA inspector?..."

Qantas 94 Heavy

11:22 PM

@voretaq7: no :P

Anonymous

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