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12:14 AM
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Thats... an odd decision
 
i guess they got tired of redesigning the site every couple years and breaking all the links?
 
They should've just not redesigned the site
Or just archived all the old forums
 
that's not how WotC rolls
 
Yeah they continue making new versions of D&D to keep the money presses rolling before people even get used to the new edition :P
 
12:18 AM
D&D the role playing game is, as i understand it, produced at a loss. Literally they make their money on licenseing
this information is pre-5e
a $150 core set might change that
 
I don't see how thats possible to be perfectly frank
D&D is mostly books
And books might as well be complete profit as cheap as they are to make and print
 
[citation needed]
 
gotta pay developers to write them though, and they don't actually sell all that many copies
 
God... I know WHO said it (ryan dancey), I will just have to find where and when.
Hasbro bought wizards for the name "D&D". its more valuable than the actual product line
 
I suppose if you printed books full of Lorem Ipsum gibberish using MS Word default layouts and no art or design, and then were able to sell them directly off the press so you don't need to deal with storing, marketing, or distribution, that claim might be true.
 
12:24 AM
How long has 5e been out? a year?
 
(Seriously, my professional viability is predicated on the idea that good money is worth spending on editing, layout, and design, and that's after content generation and before post-production overheads.)
 
How many people worked on it? A significant portion of the price of the book, about 20% IF i were to low-ball guess, is in the physical aspects of the product (printing, shipping, warehousing, distribution). Then you have to pay all the creative people...and it was a hugely long development cycle, so that is expensive. ....then you have to pay the guy who cleans the toilets too
On the books themselves, maybe they are starting to turn a profit about now
License a videogame? Huge chunk of money up front with no effort PLUS residuals.
... and thats 6
 
12:46 AM
Straight sales numbers from @KameronHurley, and I wish to god more people were open about this. http://www.kameronhurley.com/the-cold-publishing-equations-books-sold-marketability-love/
WITNESS ME, PANDA!!! #Warboys @Sketch_Dailies #WarPandas #PunchingPandas http://t.co/3RVcG7FeqK
 
1:05 AM
@BESW Could we get a pin on Oblivious Sage's notice in the sidebar?
thanks!
 
1:37 AM
18 more days till my Fanatic Badge!
Heres hoping I don't go into a coma sometime between now and then
 
 
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3:26 AM
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3:38 AM
[hops on the melonwagon]
 
@Pixie -- xD
btw -- does anyone have any hints for keeping track of where demons and devils come from?
I can never remember which ones are Infernal and which ones are Abyssal
 
3:52 AM
Devils are from Hell, all Christianity style (not really, but whatever)
Demons aren't
 
aaah
 
i think my mnemonic is something like that
 
4:22 AM
@Pixie hell yes, sign me up XD
 
also -- is it expected that paladins in 3.x dump INT? or what's supposed to be the dump stat for the class?
 
Int first, then Dex.
This... is perhaps not intentional on the part of the designers, but it doesn't help the common perception of paladins.
 
Heh.
I think my entire upcoming PF party dumps Wis and pumps Cha, so... we're a bunch of hot people with little common sense. It's going to be wonderful.
 
this is a small problem...some say that taking INT below 9 means that you have to RP a char that's well...dim enough to not be able to speak common properly. ugh. I can do "country boy who learned Common from his single Orc mom", but trying to do someone who's flat dim-witted...
 
yeeah, no.
 
4:28 AM
@Shalvenay I don't take the stats that seriously, and it's your character. You get to decide that.
 
yeah that is your call
not someone elses
if the int stat isn't important to your build it shouldn't force you to play a character like an idiot in any way you didn't already decide to yourself
 
Our low Wis, high Cha characters are going to be hot with no common sense because we're going to have a lot of fun with that, not because we must or should do it that way.
 
If you want to talk about rules on these things... 3.5 Monster Manual, page 298.
> Intelligence: Reflects how well the creature learns and reasons. In most cases, it affects how many skills and feats the creature has. A creature needs an Intelligence score of at least 3 to speak a language; anything lower makes the creature no smarter than a typical animal. An Intelligence score of 4 to 7 represents a limited ability to reason and a certain low cunning. An Intelligence score of 8 or 9 approaches the typical human range. A score of 10 or 11 covers the human norm. [...]
But then contrast PHB 9, which says:
> An animal has an Intelligence score of 1 or 2. A creature of humanlike intelligence has a score of at least 3.
 
well but
 
And now we can conclude that the rules are no help at all.
 
4:34 AM
when D&D of all things tells you how to roleplay your character,...
I say, screw them
it's your character, not theirs, and they are idiots when it comes to certain kinds of advice, role playing included
it's a matter of opinion of course, but that one is mine
 
However, Pathfinder has its own weirdness going on with this subject.
 
yeah, I think I'll talk with a DM on this one -- it's a mild piece of silliness if you ask me.
 
I once built a half-orc barbarian whose rage was triggered by thinking about existentialism.
 
xD
 
He hated the idea of existentialism, but it was the most reasonable, logical philosophy he knew of and he couldn't disprove it.
Drove him absolutely wild.
 
4:46 AM
hahaha xD that's awesome
 
5:04 AM
Handling wildly variable group composition: In any current session, it is to be asserted that everyone there was there all along. Of course the Vampire was there when we defeated the Lord of the Sun Plains. Yes the Centaur was with us when we were climbing that cliff. Of course it makes sense, stop thinking about it so hard. The scenario's ultimate nemesis is to be a god / a small civilisation / a mythical creature modifying peoples' memories en masse.
(naturally this is entire scenario and method of handling things is very silly)
 
5:49 AM
Hmm. I think my skald is coming together. I've settled on probably two-handed longsword (maybe a glaive later for reach, but I wanna sword for a while first) for my main melee, and I know we have control covered, so I don't have to worry about that for my spells. Still have to think about rage powers, but I have a couple levels to plan that.
 
6:06 AM
@Pixie I appreciate your verbifying the word 'sword'.
(one day I will make an NPC who pronounces "sword" as if it is just "word" with an "s" at the start)
 
@doppelgreener I seem to be doing that a lot today. Earlier I said "we can money people" instead of "we can hire them."
... there's a rage power that gives rage stuff to mounts. We have a cavalier and a mounted samurai in the party. [rubs hands together]
The result of this... may be a half-orc, half-elf* samurai riding a super angry buffalo at you. (Mechanically just a horc, but we do what we want.)
 
6:26 AM
 
Yep.
 
@Pixie i never liked the idea of half-orcs being exclusively half-human, so i support this entirely
(and then one day you'll come across a half-orc half-gnome)
 
6:45 AM
@doppelgreener hybridize all the things
 
Gnorc?
 
 
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8:36 AM
@BESW Good word.
Does that make a half-elf half-orc a Helc? An Elc?
 
It's an erc, obviously.
 
[devises someone with a silly accent to say "er mer gerd it's an erc"]
 
We've been calling ours an orf.
(An orf is an orf, of courf.)
 
Hahaha, that works for me.
 
 
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11:54 AM
@Pixie do not do this, no
lines must be drawn
no half orc half gnomes should exist
 
12:15 PM
What about horfclings?
 
I am not sure that makes it much better
halflings are not as gross to me as gnomes are
but at the same time, I have bad preconceptions of orcish mixings with other races
 
 
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I'm assuming that should have been d not w
 
4:57 PM
He did it three or four times though...
 
5:11 PM
Hmm. I'm starting a new campaign. We sat and discussed our options today, and decided to go for a modern conspiracy/supernatural spy thriller type campaign. We're considering using Unknown Armies, since it's a simple system we're familiar with, but we're considering other options. I'd love some ideas.
Games I can think of that fit the "operatives in shadowy war against evil" trope:
Delta Green - disqualified for being too horrory. We're trying to avoid Cthulhu.
Night's Black Agents - a possibility, but our designated GM has never run a GUMSHOE game before.
Feng Shui - too wuxia for us.
 
@Sandwich I think it's German. Some of the phrasing in the question and the user's comments suggests that they are not a native English speaker, my guess is that was a holdover.
 
We all lean towards low-crunch systems, preferably allowing freeform for most of the narrative and some interesting but not too crunchy rules for combat and such.
 
@lisardggY I'd recommend The Window
The window is just a set of dice and character competency rules, you can overlay any kind of story ontop of it
And there can be an infinite number of applicable skills
 
There are any number of super-generic flexible systems.
I'd prefer the rules, such as there are, to be focused more of the specific genre. That might be abit contradictory. :)
 
5:18 PM
Isn't this kind of what Shadowrun is like (I have no experience playing SR). The setting would have to change, but the mechanics are close, right?
 
"Modern conspiracy/supernatural spy thriller" does fit Shadowrun
 
Haven't played Shadowrun since 2e, but it was way crunchier than we're going for.
 
yeah that occurred to me
 
If you don't want to use Shadowrun and want detail oriented stories without a lot of die rolling, there's always Fate
 
I like Fate, and I have another FAE game going with another party. I think I'll go over various FATE based games and settings to see if I can find one that fits the themes.
Although I know at least one player much prefers the actor stance when playing, not the authorial or directorial voice.
 
5:25 PM
Maybe Spirit of the Century? It's not really "modern" though.
 
Not really, no. I started a game of SotC a while back that didn't go anywhere, and felt it was a bit too aspect-heavy comaprd to Fate Core or FAE. Definitely felt like FAte Core refined the system.
 
5:45 PM
@lisardggY Savage Worlds and Agents of Oblivion?
 
Interesting. Might be a bit too cthulhu/horror oriented, but I'l look into it.
 
@lisardggY It depends on how you use it. The book is designed as a toolkit with a number of 'dials' including horror, scifi and conspiracy, and you choose which bits you do and don't use depending on what it is you want to run
It's very, very easy to reskin it into all sorts of things
 
6:12 PM
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Q: How to handle the case if the closure of my question was clearly a misuse of VtC power against newcomers?

Morning StarThis is about my this question which was initiated by @Ruut user and is now closed as "too broad". On my opinion, I gave so many details, that a closing vote as "too broad" was simply nonsense. From @Ruut user I've experienced earlier a generally negative attitude, too. He could have ask for cl...

 
 
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8:51 PM
@TheOracle Wut.
 
 
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10:17 PM
"Failure is the mother of success... in bed."
"If you wait too long for the perfect moment, the perfect moment will pass you by... in bed"
 
I much prefer adding "...with this fully armed and operational battle station!" to fortune cookie phrases.
 
An unexpected relationship will become permanent.....with this fully armed and operational battle station!
 
lol
...someone had a bad day at the fortune cookie factory... "You will die today."
Unless i'm being bullshited
 
Good luck comes from good planning....with this fully armed and operational battle station!
 
10:32 PM
It's also a good phrase to add to this generator's results.
 
Most of all, your character wants to free his country...with this fully armed and operational battle station!
That was just spooky how accurate it was
I too have oftentimes wished to free my country from Jedi scum with a fully armed and operational battle station.
 
There are a lot of things you could reasonably do with a fully armed and operational battle station. And a lot more you can do unreasonably and hilariously.
 
"Your character would do almost anything to create an unforgettable piece of art ...with this fully armed and operational battle station!"
 
Hey baby.. furtive glance Want to see my fully armed and operational battle station? wink
I'm sure that's what Darth Vader said right before he turned Alderan into Abstract art. @BESW
I love Lapis Lazuli
She's so great
 
11:25 PM
"Most of all, your character wants to rule the world... with this fully armed and operational battle station!"
Well, that was troublingly appropriate
 
yes
yes it is
 

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