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12:08 AM
@IronHeart It would. Microsoft wouldn't let Mac users have a chance to use window's licenceses for their software they aren't selling at a premium lol
Morning folks :)
 
I'm upgrading to 10 in a few weeks after the press brings about its results.
"Whoops, sorry, we'll turn off all that phone-home stuff that's meant to be off when you switch it off in the settings." "Whoops, we'll fix that start menu upper limit bug." etc
 
Apparently it also automagically emails parents with summaries of their kids' computer activities, unless you specifically turn that off.
 
The IT guys at work have been playing around with it for a bit, and they said they don't mind it. I'm still using XP on my home laptop though, I don't think it could run anything higher if I tried :\
 
@BESW That's not quite right from what I've read.
 
@BESW Side note: Kids are more likely to know how to turn that off then the parents.
 
12:12 AM
It's something you have to opt into, not out of.
 
@Pixie [shrug] Anecdotally, people are getting those emails without knowing they asked for 'em.
 
And that includes your child having a WIndows account set up as a child account and not an administrator that the parent knows about, and agreeing to the monitoring in an email. It's still unfortunate that kids for whom these things could be dangerous could be coerced into it, and it's bad that they have to know not to agree. But parents will find a way if they want to monitor their children. P:
 
@Pixie In this day and age, parents having the capability to monitor their child's online activity can't really be called a bad thing.
 
@Miniman In a lot of cases I'd agree.
 
@Miniman uh,.. it could on a case by case basis
nothing is that absolute
I hate to say it, but there are some not so great parents out there
 
12:17 AM
In some cases, though, like LGBTQ+ children with homophobic or transphobic parents or generally kids in bad family situations, for whom the internet may be the only source of support, it is very dangerous.
 
I've got my dad set up on a "child" account for the blacklist/whitelist features because he's lost the ability to make good choices about what he does online.
 
@BESW This is what I need to do for myself lol
 
I'd rather not use the Microsoft features to do it, but they're the closest I've found to what I need.
 
Yeah. In some cases, it's a useful tool.
Some people have to protect their families from things, and some people have to protect themselves from their families, unfortunately.
 
@IronHeart We have a person who's able to cast sending herself here.
About windows 10, I hear its license is based on your current PC configuration and is invalidated if you change a board (except RAM maybe) and that you can't choose if updating it or not or which additional content to install or not.
I'm no expert and this comes from someone who claims to be.
 
12:30 AM
@Zachiel This was an inaccurate reporting. See this windows 10 FAQ, ctrl+F for "What happens if I change my motherboard?". The license is only invalidated for OEM licenses and only if you change your motherboard.
OEM means you bought a prebuilt computer that came with Windows 10 installed on it.
 
[sigh] Dear Microsoft: You're handing out your new OS for free because you want to increase platform standardisation. Any restrictions on its use that make people fear they're going to lose access to their OS will obstruct that goal. This is why folks are still using XP, and folks still using XP is why you're doing this!
 
@BESW Actually, one of the main reasons they're doing this is to turn their (vast) pirated userbase into a technically legitimate userbase.
 
Same smell, really.
People are generally willing to pay reasonable amounts of money for a good product, but being asked to jump through hoops they perceive as unreasonable will make them more inclined to seek easier but less legal/safe channels.
Whether it's keeping your old OS or pirating a new one.
@Bankuei Hi! I'm glad you posted on that "making strangers a friendly group" question and I'm looking into the games you mentioned; I've only played Lady Blackbird before.
 
@BESW I often spend a lot of time trying to rein myself in before answering a question and going too far into "You can't make people do anything" because that's a lot of what I want to tell folks, for many questions. I spent a lot of years of wasted, bad gaming experiences trying to do otherwise.
 
Heh, yeah. I've had a lot of good experiences creating environments where folks feel comfortable and encouraged to behave certain ways, but if they don't want to buy into it, it won't happen.
 
12:43 AM
People were very angry at me for years for telling folks they should play something like 4-5 different games to get a variety of experience
 
A lot of it is about modelling standards and being interested in what works for everyone else.
@Bankuei Oh, man, I wish I'd had someone tell me that.
 
At the Forge, we spent a lot of time being derailed by folks telling you stuff like "You can't have a GMless game - it's impossible!"
"But here's 3 of them... just try a one shot"
"No, magic moon cheese lies!"
 
I spent several years thinking the d20 mode was capable of handling anything I wanted to do, so I just didn't look outside it.
 
The variety of games gets you a chance to actually being able to talk about what you like or don't like and compare it to someone else who might be into something different.
 
@BESW yeah,... that was weird, to drink that koolaid
 
12:46 AM
I'm so much happier with my gaming experience now that I have a lot of options to pull on, and I think my group is pleased as well.
 
"just roleplay more!" "Focus on story!" "Be a good gamer!" that kind of stuff was meaningless, so you end up having to point out "what does that mean though?"
 
Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on something on your answer for that, @BESW. Open-ended questions like "If you could talk to anyone in the world, who would it be?" can work, but they can also really put people on the spot. Having been through this kind of activity a lot in various groups, it was almost never an effective icebreaker and usually led to awkwardness and embarrassment rather than bonding. I'm sure you've had a different experience, but that stuck out to me because of my own.
 
@Bankuei heh. Vocabulary's hard. I'm still searching for solid terms to define my own experience goals.
@Pixie That's reasonable. It's just one example of an icebreaker that I've had success with.
 
@BESW and that's why I made the Same Page Tool - I hated having to write a mini essay everytime I wanted to explain there were alternate ways to play.
"It's like this, but not like this, and if you've never done this, here's 3 paragraph example, and yes, this can really work, and..."
 
@Pixie The reason it's worked for me, I think, is that you can be flippant about 'em if you don't want to be serious or emotional with that group or your brain's just not in that place.
 
12:49 AM
But play a one-shot of Inspectres and you can immediately see how a game can work without railroading
 
I've started using Roll For Shoes as a "palette cleanser" and an intro to RPGs, for similar reasons.
 
Right now my big hurdle is figuring out a better way to handle setting for my groups
 
I haven't actually used the Same Page Tool with any of my groups, but reading it opened up a lot of space in my head.
 
Small enough to be digestible, meaty enough to inspire good hooks for players to build from
 
I think I have a slightly less then healthy obsession for Roll for Shoes :(
 
12:52 AM
or rather, Setting + Tone
 
Tone is something I'm struggling with, yeah.
 
I feel like I need to use something like clips on Youtube or a few pages of comics to show people to get tone right
 
@BESW Glad that you have! It's just something I'd be cautious about if initiating. Flippantness is just one reaction to that situation which might not occur to someone if they're overwhelmed or embarrassed by the question, suffering stage fright, especially shy, feeling obligated to answer in a certain way, or too out of their element.
Being really clear that answering is optional and giving a good variety of questions helps mitigate it, I think.
 
@Bankuei I'm just glad my players feel comfortable speaking up if the tone goes sideways.
Good communication covereth a multitude of sins.
 
@BESW I've got some new formative groups online - which means we're swapping people often. Trying to communicate the tone is a bit more difficult given our variable people.
 
12:55 AM
Ooh, yes.
My group has a core of semi-regular folks, but any given week I can only be sure of one player and we might get new people sometimes. It's led to attempting episodic story forms so we can shift things each night if necessary.
 
We're also pretty excited about some existing settings (Star Wars, Mass Effect, etc.) which means also having to navigate within those spaces as well
This has worked out fine for my face to face groups, but communication is always harder online
People are more distracted and not picking up on as much gestures or body language
 
@Bankuei Yeah, I've been struggling to articulate what it is about Stargate SG-1 that I want to see in a game, so I can find a good system for it.
@Bankuei Almost half my regular players join my living room with theirs via Skype. If you've got any learning about making that communication smoother, I'd be happy to ask a main-site question for you to answer.
 
Sure! Post it up. I 'll check it out tonight after I get back home
 
1:21 AM
@Bankuei I have just read in an answer of yours that there exists a game called Hot Guys Making Out. I am surprised and confused and pleased by this.
 
Hoy Guys Making Out... That sounds like almost the opposite of Maid in every way...
 
Also it uses cards instead of dice.
(Your character gets a different action type when you play a heart card, naturally.)
 
Is it fun? It is fun. Is it sexy? It is sexy.
Who is this game for?
> It is for anyone who loves intense, passionate, dramatic stories about beautiful men kissing each other.
That's amusing.
 
BL: the game. I will certainly have to see what this is all about...
(Besides the obvious.)
 
1:25 AM
@doppelgreener, @trogdor, I'm writing up a question asking for help facilitating group communicaton/dynamics in a "Skyping living rooms" situation like ours. If you have any concerns you'd like to be sure I address, let me know.
 
ok
 
@Pixie BL?
 
@BESW Boys Love, the genre this game is inspired by.
 
to be honest, I think I don't have much to say on the subject
 
Ah.
@Pixie The character sheets and play reminders pdf gives a decent impression, I suspect.
 
1:27 AM
the biggest problem is when the audio cuts out and the two rooms can't hear each other
 
@trogdor Well, like, as a player or GM have you run into any obstacles that make the experience less smooth than if we were all in the same room?
I've had trouble keeping track of the other room's Fate points, for example.
 
well yeah
this is true
I would love to be able to see everyone's fate points and aspects
 
@BESW Hm. We handle it pretty well, I think. One of the issues can be whether or not we get heard - we hear you loud and clear, but it's easy for a raucous discussion to go on without anyone noticing we're trying to get your attention, sometimes. That does not happen often at all, and you also seem to manage it well by issuing a sort of priority to us: if we're talking, everyone falls quiet to listen.
I remember those occasions where you've put your hand up to get everyone's attention toward us as well.
(this is not an upsetting thing)
 
@BESW I will check them out and see how they stack up. /pushes up fujoshi glasses
 
@Pixie wow, that term XD is there a style of glasses associated with them...?
or is it just that scene of girl grinning, pushing up glasses, lenses going opaque as she does so
 
1:34 AM
@doppelgreener They're typically depicted with glasses. This is a popular illustration (NSFW for choice of pajamas).
 
I seeeeee. :P
 
@doppelgreener Do you remember the video of Hiyori from Lucky Star? Fujoshi.
 
@Pixie All makes sense now.
 
so I guess the word kinda means a lot of different things
 
Aha, yes. I clearly see what this game is working with. Olivier is an interesting character though, not the most common of types.
Likely why he's reserved for games with all four players.
 
1:49 AM
Who was it that did those short youtube videos about various weird animals that were funny and sorta educational, and had the line "this is how the X do."?
AHA.
it was zefrank1's True Facts series!
 
2:31 AM
So.... Sup?
 
^
true facts are up
 
Tarsiers are up. In trees.
 
and winking
 
That just looks like a drugged up Ewok to me :\
 
2:50 AM
//Scribbles random non-sense symbols on the ceiling then waits for someone to try and read them.
 
they're explosive runes aren't they
wait, if I'm watching you and what you're writing with binoculars while you're writing, does that mean they explode horribly in your face the moment you're done?
 
I don't think so. I think you actually have to read them out loud, and the spell doesn't take effect until they're done writing?
 
It'd do it!
 
Hmm...
Not sure :\
 
> Explosive Runes: You trace these mystic runes upon a book, map, scroll, or similar object bearing written information. The runes detonate when read, dealing 6d6 points of force damage. Anyone next to the runes (close enough to read them) takes the full damage with no saving throw
 
2:52 AM
But no, they aren't explosive runes /retcon
 
I just have to read them once you've finished writing them.
And if I'm peering at your scribbling from a distance away, once you're done writing them... boom.
 
Hmm...
 
This seems like a poorly thought out idea on the part of the spell's creator. Imagine if they had a nosy apprentice. :v
 
That's what I was just thinking. Also - Do explosive runes need to be read aloud, or can the be read silently?
 
@Nyoze They just need to be read.
 
2:57 AM
On a side note. What if I had prepared Runes earlier and slipped them into doppel's pocket. Would his reading of another casting explode those actually on his body?
 
Of course not
 
@Nyoze No, why would it?
 
I guess I was thinking if you had multiple castings, setting one off would set off the rest as well.
Damn, there goes my chain reaction plans.
 
And I know I certainly read what I'm writing as I write it...
 
@Pixie If you're someone who's writing explosive runes, you'll probably be very careful to resist proofreading them.
 
2:59 AM
One slip up...
 
> You and any characters you specifically instruct can read the protected writing without triggering the runes.
 
Ah, nice!
That takes care of that, then. xD
 
Oh good!
 
Shame you can't change the rules after you write them so someone thinks their safe and...
 
Explosive runes are probably my favourite spell.
 
3:00 AM
@Nyoze I was just thinking this. "Hey, look at this. [deselects]"
 
Attend the royal court. The speaker arrives with the morning's mail, unfurls a scroll and speaks as he reads through it. "Your majesty, the Duke of Fronce doth declare to you his unyielding loyalty, and the explosive runes he prepared this morning." [boom]
 
@Pixie House ruled! Explosive Runes can be written without being activated, and then can be made active at will.
@doppelgreener Plot twist: The runes don't explode.
 
@Nyoze Oh man, that would be suspenseful. XD
Everyone falls quiet.
Everything goes deathly still.
 
King and courier stand in limbo waiting for the explosion that never happens... In the mean time, the treasury is now empty, and the kingdom lies in ruins. The palace hasn't been touched...
 
And then the king insists all mail be checked by scribes in separate rooms. What about using the prisoners instead, most of them aren't literate and the explosive runes will work all the same, the frightened scribes suggest.
@Nyoze Oh no XD
 
3:03 AM
@doppelgreener I want to build a campaign around this now...
@Magician Morning!
Well, it's not, but :(
 
Close enough.
 
Yeah, that's what I figured :)
How's your... Arm? I think it was?
 
Still is, thankfully. Healing, thank you.
 
Oh good.
That is much better than if it being isn't.
 
I wasn't sure, but Healing is always a plus.
 
3:12 AM
@Pixie Which? (did you mean that for a different room?)
 
XD
 
@doppelgreener That I did. xD
 
that happens
 
I can take solace in the fact that there are much worse things to say in the wrong place. :v
 
there indeed are
everyone will forget about this
 
3:16 AM
Every time I post a link, I fear it'll lead not to an adorable picture but to something regrettable.
Like so:
Lucked out this time.
 
@Magician This is a fear I have as well.
 
same actually
 
I have linked to the wrong thing before too, as ctrl+c occasionally does not depress correctly...
 
I keep double checking links XD even though there is no reason to
 
Someday I will truly embarrass myself, but today is not that day. [walks off dramatically; Die Another Day begins playing]
 
3:41 AM
I should really work on putting a campaign together of some description, try and actually write something instead of just trolling boards waiting for people to do something...
 
Trawling, maybe? Though trolling boards is also a fine way to spend time.
 
6 of one, half a dozen of the other? Trawling boards and trolling them in a vain attempt to incite others to post.
I love to idea of adapting Roll for Shoes as a basis and generating a basic system but that actually is usable for combat. Still allowing characters the ability to develop exactly how they'd like... Every time I look at it though, it ends up 10 times more complicated :\
 
Troll has a meaning similar to trawl, perhaps because in some dialects they sound the same and it's just an orthography choice.
 
3:56 AM
Curious, I didn't know that.
 
Funnily enough, it seems the online definition of trolling or inciting flames seems to actually be based on that exact definition. I just do it to incite activity of any type, not just negative.
 
Yeah. Online trolls go "fishing" for reactions.
 
Trolling (as in trying to get a reaction out of people) is almost always used negatively, to describe users who are being malicious jerks who cause trouble and everyone would rather they were not there.
So if you mean you're just trying to get helpful responses, you might want to think twice about calling that trolling.
 
"Trolling" has lost much of its, ah, original online meaning, from what I understand. As demonstrated by equating it with "flaming".
 
Mmm. Internet dialect moves fast.
 
4:01 AM
I am not aware of a time where a troll was not simply an unwelcome troublemaker.
 
Well, in that case. I should spend less time trawling message boards for helpful and insightful responses and more time creating my own adventure to inspire them.
 
@doppelgreener Kind of. From Urban Dictionary: "troll - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument". "flaming - An online argument that becomes nasty or derisive, where insulting a party to the discussion takes precedence over the objective merits of one side or another".
They're definitely related, but one can be a flamer without being a troll. Question of original intent.
 
In my experience: Trolls often try to encourage flamers without flaming themselves.
 
@doppelgreener IIRC, the term started on Usenet, as posting a contentious topic that veteran users would know to ignore but novice users would react to.
 
@Magician I am not saying anything at all about the trolling/flaming overlap or lack thereof
I am just saying Nyoze shouldn't be calling himself a troll unless he wants people to think he's being a resounding jerk, and commenting on the apparent reaction it didn't always mean that. :P
 
4:07 AM
Fair enough.
 
flaming and trolling are different activities, I agree
 
I have definitely seen and understood "trolling for [x]" in non-negative contexts, but it's not that common.
 
I'm guilty of using it in a non-negative context before. I tend to forget that other people see it as negative :(
 
Well, it's really not incorrect to use it in a non-negative context, nor is it even necessarily confusing in context.
It depends, though, and there is always a risk of misunderstanding.
 
Exactly.
 
4:17 AM
Yeah. It's a fine word to use - if someone said "I was trolling the garbage heap for those robots" - they're going to understand the other sense or go look up what the heck that means.
If you say you're trolling various forums though, that is a good candidate for miscommunication.
 
But using it in the context of online message boards... People are going to sume i'm being an immature juvenile troublemaker.
 
Yes
blargh
Everything in my head feels stuffy
Including my brain itself
 
@Nyoze Or a pair of shoes being repeatedly dropped on a keyboard with a worrying level of precision. Just saying.
 
I cannot wait for spring and for flu season to be over.
 
@doppelgreener You could even use it in this context, but phrased differently: "I'm trolling for a good game." wouldn't be so confusing. But "trolling boards waiting for people to do something," that is rather suggestive of the unintended meaning. xD
 
4:20 AM
@Miniman There's nothing saying that I actually exist, and am not instead a cat walking across a keyboard with no concept of what those weird clickly-clacks he steps on are actually doing.
 
@doppelgreener This is the worst feeling. :(
 
@Nyoze The cat is wearing shoes in this hypothetical, right?
 
@Miniman Sure, why not. Cats can wear shoes too you speciesist :(
 
@Nyoze If someone sat a thousand cats at a thousand typewriters, one of them would eventually produce the internet identity Nyoze. (The other 999 would be busy climbing around and knocking over the remaining typewriters.)
 
4:24 AM
Suddenly I have an idea: an NPC who's a leading expert in chaos (or possibly causality, or the universe, or cats, or something), and has harnessed cats themselves as the driving mechanic in an enormous calculation machine.
 
This bonk remix of Pachelbel's Canon is... beautiful.
 
@doppelgreener Make it a musical machine and you've got Babbage's ultimate nemesis.
 
@BESW He disliked cats!?
 
@doppelgreener A machine powered by randomness?
 
@BESW I saw that! Those blue ones are gorgeous. *o*
 
4:26 AM
@BESW Whoa. That purple coral fungus...
@BESW It isn't random at all, it's perfectly logical!
 
Well, I guess there are several blue ones. This (fun) guy:
 
Just that most people don't understand the mechanisms of a system mainly involving cats.
 
@BESW How can stuff like that live above the water?
@doppelgreener That's it. Explosive runes from a catwriterâ„¢. That's why it didn't explode.
 
4:39 AM
Back to that explosive runes campaign - I'm imagining a scenario where the party discovers that a particular letter has both explosive runes, and extremely important information the party needs. It's also a very official letter. It misses its original assassination target because people keep only partially reading it and then sending it on elsewhere by horseback. The party is eternally a day or so behind, but thankfully they have not turned up to find anywhere in ruins yet.
It's a very bureaucratic letter or something, and there's usually someone else who should be dealing with it.
 
Exactly, someone reads the first line, can't be bothered dealing with it and sends it to another city to deal with instead.
The reason there are explosive runes is because this is the second letter then've sent, the first one actually disappeared into a void along with all the lost socks.
 
@doppelgreener Explosive Runes Chain Letter.
Once you read it, runes transfer to your body and start glowing brighter and brighter. The only way to get rid of them (barring paying a cleric to cast Remove Curse) is to make two copies of the letter - the runes will flow from you onto the page. Their outline remains until you've sealed the envelope and dropped it into the mailbox.
 
Oh dear.
 
Self-casting Personality Altering Magic.
This + Going Postal = campaign.
 
4:55 AM
Troll's Chained Explosive Runes (9th Level Arcane:)
> This magic was once known to trolls long long ago, and caused the destruction of their entire civilization, leaving them the mindless brutes we know today. Upon reading a costing of Enchanted Runes, the target will gain the ability to cast Chained Enchanted Runes 1d4 times. If the target does not expend these uses in 5d6 minutes, the runes will explode dealing 6d6d20 damage. (Roll 6d6 for the amount of D20 to roll)
 
6d6
 
 
20d20 huh
That's a fair bit of damage
 
That's the point. It's a level 9 spell for a reason :P
 
210 average damage
 
5:01 AM
And that's only if you don't spend 1-4 actions creating new runes.
 
Chain lightning is a sixth level spell that does that much damage
Well
20d6 anyway
 
 
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6:32 AM
Hmm...
Average damage of 6d6d20 is 221. I can live with that.
 
Yes, but what's the standard deviation?
 
I don't even know what that means :P
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Maths is fun! (p > 0.05)
@Nyoze Dammit, now I'm curious. Would you mind saying what your current level of education is? I think we learned basic statistics in high school, but I could be mistaken, and it was a different country.
 
@Magician By memory, your in Aussie as well, yeah?
 
I am, but I wasn't born here.
 
6:45 AM
I passed maths in Year 10, failed Stage 1 the same year, (Maths Methods 4c or something now it's called I think), then dropped out of Stage 2 in year 11.
But since I left school, my knowledge of anything more the algebra and arithmetic has just degenerated to next to nothing. Statistics and Probability always confused me, even when I was doing it.
 
Probability is probably (heh) the most counter-intuitive subject in basic maths.
 
Oh, I can't remember how to calculate std myself (just looked it up out of curiosity), I'm just surprised you didn't know what it was.
 
I didn't actually know what standard deviation meant either (at least not exactly), but I am terrible at math and had no education in statistics at any point.
 
I know that in any statiscal expiriment, there is a bell curve of possible outcomes, but I never knew what the actual name of it was. Or if I did, I forgot.
@Pixie Why on earth are you still awake? :P
 
@Nyoze Normal distribution.
Not always the graph, just frequently.
 
6:50 AM
Eh. I don't know, don't care lol. Excel does all the maths I need to actually worry about lol
 
@Nyoze Have you not noticed that I'm almost always. :P
 
@Magician It's the square root of the sum of the squares of the differences from the mean, right?
 
It's only 3 AM, and I say that with an entirely straight face. The night is young.
 
@Miniman Yeah. Which is a mouthful.
@Nyoze Stats are extremely useful in game design, something we're distracting you from right now :)
 
@Magician I'm just glad you could tell what I meant :)
 
6:51 AM
@Pixie I have only stayed up that late around 5 times ever
give me sleep any day thank you XD
 
It's the... I don't @#$%ing care. It's a number that can be arbitarily large that one in 10 million rolls, but for the average roll would end up at about 220 damage around level 18, across multiple targets. I'm happy with that. It's not designed for combat anyway, just for pure chaos :)
 
@Miniman Ah, actually, it's the square root of the mean of the squares of the differences from the mean.
 
@trogdor This is inconceivable to me, but that's because my sleep pattern is nigh-incomprehensible.
 
@Magician Ah, that explains why every time I tried to remember what the formula looks like it was a fraction >.<
 
I stay up to 3 am at least once a week. But also - as soon as you turn the lights off after 10pm, I'm in bed snoring within 30 minutes :(
 
6:56 AM
@Pixie I can see how that would be an issue
 
@Pixie You are an eldritch sleep abomination.
 
@Magician ....DRYH again?
 
eh everyone does different stuff with sleep
 
@Nyoze That is a physical impossibility for me. xD
 
@Pixie I wish it was for me, it causes all sorts of problems :\
 
6:59 AM
I try to go to bed relatively early at least some of the time just because it makes me wake up so early
and then I spend that time during the day instead of the night, all tired
 
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