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Joshua Aslan Smith

3:00 PM

hrmmmm

@Miniman its a 2d6 weapon die

2d6 reroll 1 or 2 once

wax eagle

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/… check out the chart labeled "Fighters"

Miniman

@JoshuaAslanSmith Yeah, I scripted it up for Dorian a few weeks ago

Here's someone else's

anydice.com/program/3fad

Looks right

Joshua Aslan Smith

hahahaha

I forgot about two weapon fighting being the worst by level 20

so troll

wax eagle

yeah, one of these days I'll get around to updating that to include feats

Mourdos

What did the Wizard MT do to get so much damage?

Joshua Aslan Smith

3:04 PM

@Mourdos he cast AOE spells lol

Mourdos

Ah, Multitarget

wax eagle

in target rich environs

Mourdos

Looks like Cleric is otherwise the best bet? If you don't want to just kill all the mobs?

wax eagle

there's an assumption there that the MT wiz gets a lot of targets. Basically based on the 4e DPR king math (which may or may not be valid for 5e)

Joshua Aslan Smith

its kinda what i hate about the wizard in 5e being a pre 4e wizard, you have to balance the verisimilitude of a setting where everyone knows magic users to be incredibly powerful (including PCs knowing about enemies) without just straight up murdering PC wizards at the first round

Miniman

3:06 PM

@waxeagle Given that 5e wants large numbers of weak enemies to remain relevant at high levels, it seems valid

wax eagle

@Mourdos yeah, cleric gets really solid late thanks to Flamestrike

@Miniman yeah, it actually might be higher numbers of targets than 4e

Mourdos

Also has the healing :-)

Joshua Aslan Smith

The rest of the party is an aircraft career and its screening group to the wizard's F18 fighter bomber

wax eagle

yeah, though the thing to keep in mind that this is the wiz and cleric spending all of their spells on damage. Ideally they won't be.

Miniman

My self-answer post just keeps getting votes

wax eagle

3:07 PM

it's a good one then :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle I like that barbs get speak with animal and commune with nature as rituals for free that take no spell casting

Mourdos

What have we learned today? Fighters should not TWF

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, that's a very nice out of combat utility set for them

Miniman

@waxeagle It's a bit specific though, it doesn't seem like it should have gotten this much attention

wax eagle

@Mourdos yeah, like I said, I need to see how the feat support does

Joshua Aslan Smith

3:08 PM

TWF is nice at level 1-5 I feel but yeah you start to get multiattacks from a lot of other sources that it gets really redundant

Mourdos

With looking at the starter set, it seemed to me that barbarians had the best AC in the game?

wax eagle

@Miniman it addresses and important thing though. Advantage is huge and the fact that you can get it with a cantrip and an action isn't trivial

Mourdos

dex mod + con mod + shield

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Mourdos nah

@Mourdos thats when not wearing any armor

I guess it stacks with shield

it does

wax eagle

@Mourdos plate + shield is still better I think

Mourdos

3:09 PM

Can your best armor + dex get higher than 20?

( not including shield )

Joshua Aslan Smith

plate is 18

Miniman

@waxeagle Still freaking me out a little

Mourdos

but no dex

wax eagle

I guess the barb can get to 22?

technically

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah

Mourdos

3:09 PM

yep

Joshua Aslan Smith

but lets make array assumptions

wax eagle

25 with a +3 shield

Miniman

@waxeagle 24 actually

Joshua Aslan Smith

highest barb stats you can start with would be 16 str 14 con and dex

Mourdos

+X armor would even that out later on

Miniman

3:10 PM

He can get Con to 24 for an extra +2

wax eagle

+3 plate and +3 shield is 26 for the plate wearer

Mourdos

I thought 5e stats were capped around 20?

wax eagle

@Mourdos unless magic. Barb gets super powers :)

Mourdos

ah

Joshua Aslan Smith

you get 5 ability score improvements

Miniman

3:10 PM

@Mourdos Barb has a feature that gives him +4 Str and Con and +4 to the caps for those stats

Joshua Aslan Smith

so you can max out at 21 with point buy

but youre not increasing your attack mod

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith you're still capped at 20 by normal means

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle I mean AC

Miniman

The problem the Barb has is needing Str, Dex, and Con

Joshua Aslan Smith

say you increase con 3 times and dex twice

wax eagle

3:12 PM

@Miniman yeah

Joshua Aslan Smith

ending with 16 str 20 con and 18 dex

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith don't forget the +4 at L20

Mourdos

and take a race with bonus to the stats you want?

Miniman

@waxeagle They've become one of the most MAD classes in 5e

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Mourdos my intitial stats included a racial optimum of half orc

wax eagle

3:12 PM

@Miniman yeah, definitely a problem for them. Rapier weilding barb!

Mourdos

Ah yes, the half orc

Miniman

@JoshuaAslanSmith Mountain dwarf is better than half orc

Mourdos

Rapier + Shield Barb is best barb? I know, I know, Rage becomes fairly pointless

Miniman

+2 +2 instead of +2 +1

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Miniman disagree

Miniman

3:13 PM

@waxeagle Wastes half the class features

@JoshuaAslanSmith We were talking about stats though

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Miniman no seriously that extra +1 is wasted

you will have an odd stat somewhere

Miniman

If you go arrays rather than point buy, yes

Joshua Aslan Smith

half orc gives you 16 14 14 12 10 8

no via point buy as well

because you start 14 13 14 12 10 8

Miniman

Ah, forgot that it capped at 15 not 16

Joshua Aslan Smith

yep

that 12 is probably on wis and not int but made sense to write it out in number order

I spent a lot of time optimizing for my melee ranger which has the same stat issues, but with a casting requirement as well lol

Miniman

3:16 PM

@JoshuaAslanSmith Yeah, the ranger isn't well set up for melee anymore

Metool

Good morning.

Mourdos

@Metool Morning

Miniman

Especially if you don't do Dex, which IIRC you're not

@Metool Speaking of which, at 2:15am I should probably head off

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Miniman I am in fact not dex fighting ranger lol, wax house ruled to let me take the GW Fighting style for ranger

the way I see it though is even if you got dex based melee you still need a fair bit of con if you go melee ranger

only the archery ranger can truly affford to have a high wis to cast all those arcane archer attack spells

melee rangers should instead take utility spells as lay-magic users

Miniman

Makes sense, though I still question the Wisdom of trying to build a GWF Ranger. :)

Anyways, I gotta get up in 5 hours or less, so I'm really leaving this time.

Joshua Aslan Smith

3:24 PM

buy

picture whirlwind (melee attack against all adjacent enemies) with 2d6 reroll 1s and 2s

Metool

@JoshuaAslanSmith 2d4+4?

Or reroll only once?

Joshua Aslan Smith

only once by defualt though wax has let me treat it as brutal 2 for the sake of sanity when playing on roll20

so for his campaign it is the 2d4+4 essentially

Metool

... brutal 2?

ah.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Metool brutal was a weapon property in 4e that essentially let you re roll any weapon die showing that number or lower

brutal 1 was only 1s, brutal 2 was 2 and below so 2 and 1s rerolled

Mourdos

Is is not worse than 2d4+4?

since its really, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6 on that dice, or 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4 on the d4?

Actually averages to a 2d3+4, I think

Metool

3:32 PM

Hmm, I wonder if there's already a question on how to approximate dice ranges with other dice...

Mourdos

you could roll a d7 rather than 2d3 :-)

screw with the dice ranges more!

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Mourdos true

Mourdos

but I think 2d3 is the best approximation

with a 1 in 6 of a +1 and a 1 in 6 of a -1

Joshua Aslan Smith

I would normally espress it as 2d6 r2 or something like that because of the ranges involved I just was responding to metools statement

Metool

@Mourdos That's what the +4 represents.

+2 per die.

Mourdos

3:34 PM

Ah, just a second, does brutal 2 let you reroll the dice, or shift it to a minimum of 3?

I calculated as the latter

Metool

7 mins ago, by Joshua Aslan Smith

@Metool brutal was a weapon property in 4e that essentially let you re roll any weapon die showing that number or lower

Mourdos

Ah yes, then 2d4+4 is correct

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Mourdos reroll

Mourdos

if it was minroll, then it would have been ~2d3+4

Joshua Aslan Smith

gotcha

Thales Pereira

3:36 PM

I was on google image search and typed "Morgot" instead of "Morgoth".

The result was a side-by-side image of one of the most evil beings and a tangerine.

Joshua Aslan Smith

lol

Dude knew how to rock the bling

Metool

@Mourdos I don't think you could express it in other dice while staying true to the probabilities involved, in that case.

Maybe 'flip a coin, tails it's 3, heads it's 1d3+3' for each die...

Yeah, I suppose that could work, unless anyone sees any glaring errors.

Joshua Aslan Smith

that enworld link makes me so sad

flipping coins is pedantic and even more time consuming than rolling dice lol

@metool though I appreciate the idea involved

Metool

But if you're rolling 1d3, you either have something that can approximate a d6 or you have an uncommon die...

Mourdos

1d7 instead of 2d3 works

but 1d6 averages 3.5, 2d3 averages 4

Metool

3:57 PM

@JoshuaAslanSmith Roll an even-faced die. Even/odd.

Joshua Aslan Smith

4:12 PM

@waxeagle ironically I cannot find the definition for spell attack anywhere in phb

wax eagle

4:59 PM

@JoshuaAslanSmith p 205

Joshua Aslan Smith

danke

as a joke I am listening to this all day at work

►

Joshua Aslan Smith

6:17 PM

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wax eagle

don't edit, that clears spam votes...resist the urge :)

Aaron

Aww.

Metool

6:22 PM

It's gone.

Aaron

It just got locked anyway

wax eagle

good deal

Aaron

I was going to put something like "No reason spam can't have good gammar" as a reason for edit.

I didn't know edits cleared votes so I will not do that in the future

wax eagle

yeah, it's basically designed so that if a post is good, but has profanity, and you take care of that, it clears the offensive flags

lisardggY

Editing also automatically queues closed questions for reopening, right?

Joshua Aslan Smith

6:26 PM

*smashes head against wall cannot get an .srt subtitle file to show permantly on a mp4 Im trying to help create

wax eagle

6:52 PM

@lisardggY yep

Metool

7:19 PM

... Why...

lisardggY

Why what?

Metool

I just read Pathfinder's spell description for make whole, and it "functions as [mending, a spell that heals 1d4 hit points on an object and does not heal constructs], except that it repairs 1d6 points of damage per level when cast on a construct creature (maximum 5d6)."

So... it doesn't function like mending.

Alternately, it's a 2nd-level spell that can be burnt to achieve the effect of a 0-level spell.

[facedesk]

Jeor Mattan

paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/makeWhole.html here it says it also repairs magic items if your caster level is high enough.

lisardggY

@Metool Seems pretty clear - it's like the 0 level mending, except it can be used as a cure spell for constructs. That's enough to bump it to lv2.

Metool

Right, but why not just rewrite it as a cure spell for constructs? Why refer to mending at all if you're not going to increase the hit point reparation it provides?

lisardggY

7:28 PM

Because a "repair broken stuff" spell that also functions as a cure for constructs - or, alternately, a cure for constructs that can also repair stuff - is cooler and more thematically appropriate.

Metool

Right, but compared to the 1d4 hit points of item repair, there's a very much superior use of make whole (the construct repair). Why does it not restore 1d6/level to objects?

lisardggY

It does.

Metool

It doesn't!

It functions as mending when cast on an object.

lisardggY

> This spell functions as mending, except that it repairs 1d6 points of damage per level when cast on an object or construct creature (maximum 5d6).

Metool

PRD says otherwise.

lisardggY

7:31 PM

> Errata
The wording of this spell was updated in the CRB 6th printing to include objects but the update text was not included in the errata document (commonly referred to as "stealth" errata

Metool

So why didn't they update the PRD?

lisardggY

Good question.

And also, apparently, a good reason to prefer the d20pfsrd.

d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/make-whole

Metool

Well, I suppose they fixed it, kind of?

Going to go lie down now.

lisardggY

So it would seem. Seems an oversight.

Joshua Aslan Smith

#moErrattamoProblems

Shaamaan

7:48 PM

Evening.
I've got a weird, GM related problem, and I've no idea how to fix it.
In the most basic terms - as a GM I'm pissed. I'm really really pissed, because I kept telling my players they have it too easy and that the difficulty should be upped, but they insisted that everything is fine, and during the last session they basically killed a boss NPC with one hit. I've already asked how to increase difficulty on the fly (http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/51295/how-to-increase-difficulty-on-the-fly), but there's also the whole "I'm freakin' pissed off" thing.

lisardggY

The problem here is that of expectations. You want to challenge the players. They don't want a challenge, they want to kick ass. Neither is correct, both are what people want.

You can't force them to want the same things you do out of a game.

Metool

I couldn't lie down. Turns out there's a greater make whole that targets only objects, and otherwise functions as make whole except it heals constructs for more.

Good job, editing team.

Aaron

@Metool So you went further into the rabbit hole

Shaamaan

@lisardggY Sure, you're right. That doesn't really solve the issue of how the hell do I put this anger away. :|

Metool

Yes.

lisardggY

7:53 PM

@Shaamaan Well, that's not really an RPG-specific problem. :)

Aaron

@Shaamaan Get a punching bag?

Metool

Don't go further into the rabbit hole, folks. You might face a killer bunny.

Aaron

@Metool Vorpal bunny!

lisardggY

@Shaamaan I suggest violent video games.

@Metool Can't help you there, since for me, that isn't a problem.

Shaamaan

@lisardggY Tried it already.

Aaron

7:54 PM

Shaamaan

@lisardggY I don't even think it's about challenging the players. I'm more pissed off that the ending just didn't bloody work as it should have.

Aaron

@Shaamaan Do the players know 100% that was the final boss?

The guy they beat could have just been the face of the organization and now the real BBEG comes out.

Shaamaan

@Aaron Well, it was the end of the scene and this particular piece of adventure.

lisardggY

@Aaron Well, that is an RPG issue. In this case, the issue of knowing that once your adventure hits the table, all bets are off.

Aaron

Oh.

Shaamaan

7:57 PM

@Aaron There's definitely new adventures to form from what has happened, but this particular scene ended. But it ended so... so... I dunno. Wrong. I'm all for my players thinking interesting ways to solve problems. Heck, I love a well timed critical hit. But dammit, it shouldn't take out a boss NPC when said boss is at full health. >_<

It

It's kind of like a big buildup towards a grand scene... which is then over in a flash.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Shaamaan same page tool

sounds like your players just want a cake walk whereas you as a DM would find it more interesting if characters were actually challenged, faced defeat, overcame adversity, etc.

Shaamaan

Know it, used it. We generally are on the same page. Or at least, I used to think that. I'm somewhat less sure now.

Joshua Aslan Smith

You might be on the same page for the setting and mechanics complexity but not be for the actual narrative content/ tone of the story

lisardggY

@Shaamaan That is a bummer, I agree. What system is this in, again?

Shaamaan

@lisardggY Wolsung. It's pretty darn obscure. I had to create a tag for it on Stackexchange...

Joshua Aslan Smith

8:00 PM

I mean a great way to frame it the players is that you are not having fun with this absurd level of easiness because you stop being a GM and starting being a button they press to have artificial/cathartic power fantasies

Aaron

One thing

This happen to me recently.

lisardggY

@Shaamaan How long have you been playing it? Could the source of the problem be with rules that enable this sort of disparity between what you thought the PCs could do and what they actually did, or alternately lack of deep familiarity with the rules that let this disparity slip?

Ugh. Wifi at this cafe is getting flaky.

Shaamaan

@lisardggY There are definitely problems with the system. The setting is grand, and I think this is the main reason we're playing it. The mechanics.. well...

Joshua Aslan Smith

the game sounds very narrative driven like Fate or Dungeonworld and I feel that you need to make the players understand that the point of these types of systems is to create interesting and engaging stories, not to use their looser, narrative mechanics as an excuse to ride some Diablo-esque loot train

Shaamaan

We've already noticed we've spend an obscene amount of time arguing over the mechanics.

Joshua Aslan Smith

8:03 PM

@Shaamaan I would definitely open up the Start and end of session effects to no longer mean start and end of play session but rather narrative episodes/chapters. What Fate would call scenes

Shaamaan

Which are bloody unclear at times.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Also, have you looked at/tried Fate?

Shaamaan

I've already pushed for this. It's doable for attributes and stats, but not really doable for tokens and cards.

I did.

I... uhm... kind of f**ed it up.

We tried it, it was my first time both playing it and DMing it.

We did a few sessions, but one of players threw a fit over a scene and the system was scrapped there and then.

Joshua Aslan Smith

You said both the GM and the Players have similarly restricted resources for a session. I cant see how making it longer would break things. Players would need to ration out their resources, maybe they do make that all in one gamble, but they either had to get by on next to nothing to get there or will have to face a hard uphill battle afterward

Shaamaan

It later turned out we WEREN'T on the same page (I thought it was a Jackie Chan - like action/adventure/comedy, while he thought it was a more along the lines of Segal/brutal/fighty thingy).

Joshua Aslan Smith

8:06 PM

yeah communication is paramount

Shaamaan

Needless to say, he seems to have an allergy towards Fate now. :|

Joshua Aslan Smith

FYI, long-suffering GM here, sometimes you will have a play group that will not want to play the kind of game you will want to run, period.

2nd aphorism. You will invest more time than all the players combined and they will not understand

Shaamaan

Regarding resources: the problem is that with one or two conflicts per session, they can spend the cards and tokens left and right. This means that whenever I want to use a card to add that little extra defence to an NPC, they won't think twice to add their card to beat my extra. And you can only use a card once...

Zachiel

Increase the conflicts?

Joshua Aslan Smith

thats what I was getting at with having sessions last longer than 1 play meeting

Shaamaan

8:14 PM

@Zachiel There's a time constrain. We're playing a lot slower than the manual seems to suggest we should play, but this playing speed sort of comes naturally to us, so I'm not that interested in changing it. Adding more conflicts will simply prolong the sessions, which isn't possible when some of us need to go to bed / work (yeah, one person keeps on working after sessions, the rest of us head to bed ;P).

Otherwise I can cram in more conflicts at the expense of storytelling.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Shaamaan were saying add more conflicts over real time between gameplay meetups

Look at the starter adventure see how many conflicts they seem to have for the resources given then use that as the gold standard

players only go through a milestone "end of session, beginning of the next" after having gone through X number of conflicts. The number of times you meetup/hours you spend to reach this point doesnt matter.

Shaamaan

Ahhh, K.

Well, once more - it's doable for character advancement and attributes, but it's rather difficult to do for tokens and cards. Actually, tokens could still be doable (it's just a number) but cards... not so much.

Plus, I've already tried pushing this change, but everyone else agreed with each other that they like the large number of tokens and cards.

(They're ok for attributes, so I'll see how that goes, but this is a less important thing)

wax eagle

buy a budget folio. store hands in there until next session

Shaamaan

It'll get all bloody and the hands will start to rot...

Joshua Aslan Smith

cynical GM: you need to break your players

Shaamaan

8:22 PM

Yeah, that's how I feel right now. -_- And this is exactly the feeling I'm trying like hell to avoid.

sighs Well, admittedly, just talking about it I think helped. At least a little bit.

So... there's that. Thanks.

Joshua Aslan Smith

Its basically why i feel everyone needs to GM to really be a good player

wax eagle

@Shaamaan that's a lot of why we're here.

Shaamaan

I'm really wondering if building too difficult conflicts is... well, is it spite or just planning. Playing dumb is one heck of an easy way to quickly decrease the difficulty, and that's an easy feat I can do given the game rules. I cannot, on the other hand, whip out abilities out of my ass while keeping a straight face. At best, it'll be like the sword in Pacific Rim - cool, but where the hell did it come from and why didn't they use it before?

lisardggY

@Shaamaan One way of adding difficulty that can be explained is having the opponent go all-out and take risks, which he wouldn't have at the beginning of combat.

Shaamaan

At least this is what I did when I was DMing in D&D. After the first session I realized that baddies can HURT. Badly. But I kept similar numbers, and adjusted the behaviour of enemies as needed. Players were still engaged but they were doing fine, and everyone seemed to have a blast. But if I do that now, I feel there might be too big of a difficulty jump between what was, and what is to come.

lisardggY

8:28 PM

This is steampunk, right? Have him push his steam engine to critical overload. Now there are steam vents shooting at the PCs from all directions, giving them serious modifiers and chances for damage and forcing them to rethink their strategy. Why didn't he use it before? Because the machine won't hold for more than a few rounds.

Shaamaan

Ha! The boss in that last session cut the lights. One player could see in the darkness, while the others could not. The irony? The boss was taken out by one of the players who DIDN'T see in the dark. My mistake? The modifier was way, WAY too low.

Only it was a bit too late to change it after the fact. :|

The other irony? If the fight had been going for a while I did plan to have the boss did something along those lines @lisardggY... Which would force the players to do more heroic and cools stuff to save the ship (if they wanted to) or save themselves. But since the boss was just killed none of that happened and I was like...
:| Riiight...

Metool

Dear forum poster: You are posting on a D&D 3.5 subforum near the end of D&D 3.5's lifespan. If you have not one iota of D&D 3.5 experience near the end of D&D 3.5's lifespan, you should not be making rulings on a D&D 3.5 subforum.

[facedesk]

Zachiel

@Shaamaan Lots of preparation and no showoff makes Shaamaan a dull DM

Shaamaan

@Zachiel I think you mean a "pissed off DM". But essentially correct.

Zachiel

8:50 PM

@Shaamaan I wanted to mantain some parts of the citation to make it recognizable

Shining, by the way. IIRC.

lisardggY

@Zachiel Indeed.

/me growls at annoying Chrome extension APIs.

Aaron

@Zachiel It was around before that but I believe that is the most famous use of the line.

Zachiel

@Aaron It's where I quoted it from, despite never having seen the movie.

lisardggY

> the modern saying appeared first in James Howell's Proverbs in English, Italian, French and Spanish (1659)

Huh. Learned something new.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy is a proverb. It means that without time off from work, a person becomes both bored and boring. == History == Though the spirit of the proverb had been expressed previously, the modern saying appeared first in James Howell's Proverbs in English, Italian, French and Spanish (1659), and was included in later collections of proverbs. It also appears in Howell's Paroimiographia (1659), p. 12. Some writers have added a second part to the proverb, as in Harry and Lucy Concluded (1825) by the Irish novelist Maria Edgeworth: == Uses in popular media == While the...

Zachiel

They opened a new cinema in town - last one was closed like eons ago. So a friend of mine told me I should go watching a movie, just to be able to say I've watched a movie in my tow... wait, you've been to the old one, right? No? Where have you seen Jurassic Park then? What do you mean you never saw Jurassic Park?

Aaron

8:59 PM

I get flak when people talk about robo cop because I have never seen it.

Zachiel

I think I saw a scene

Robocop is goofily stepping on some stairs

I can't even recall if he was going up or down

He was slow

Joshua Aslan Smith

Robocop is a very iconic movie but yes the suit didnt handle walking too great and it looked bad from behind

Zachiel

I thought it was part of the character

Joshua Aslan Smith

9:14 PM

more like limitation of the suit at the time

actually hisability to up and down stairs is show as a feature because the giant robot cants

*cant

BESW

Every DALEK has 'EXTERMINATE!' set as our TEXT NOTIFICATION. We are not SHOUTING it at YOU. We are just TEXTING A LOT.

Tweeted by DalekRusty on November 24, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Joshua Aslan Smith

lol

BESW

Of COURSE, the TEXTS all say 'EXTERMINATE', too.

Tweeted by DalekRusty on November 24, 2014 at 6:26 PM

.@drkbish CYBERMEN are talking about TEXT MESSAGES from the DALEKS.

Tweeted by DalekRusty on November 24, 2014 at 7:03 PM in reply to drkbish

BESW

10:25 PM

@KRyan I appreciate the effort it probably took to express your frustration with the alignment system without making it about anything except the alignment system. Nice answer, +1.

Miniman

@BESW Holy crap the querent's comment on that answer...

BESW

He's talking about Druid Neutral.

Miniman

@BESW Never mind what neutrality he's talking about, it's like he didn't even read the answer!

BESW

Well, yes.

His comments elsewhere indicate that he's very attached to an iterative reading of the alignment mechanic.

(Which makes sense in theory, but is nigh impossible to enact practically.)

Oh, hey, it's the plot of Gotham's pilot episode.

Miniman

@BESW Which comments?

BESW

10:39 PM

This comment, for one.

Adeptus

@Aaron Pandora, maybe?

BESW

@Miniman There's a line.... somewhere..... which says that clerics are banned from using spells with descriptors opposite their sponsor's alignment, and that for everyone else if you cast too many spells (GM's discretion) against your alignment then your alignment will likely change regardless of the use you put those spells to.

Miniman

@BESW Oh, right. Sorry, when you said elsewhere I thought you meant on other questions/answers.

BESW

Hah. I don't care about this enough to go digging like that.

Miniman

@BESW I went digging on data.SE (not because I care, it's just easy) but couldn't find any.

BESW

10:43 PM

He's only got an hour of activity on record on RPG.SE.

@doppelgreener "un-aligned" might be a good word to use?

doppelgreener

@BESW I was doing exactly that :)

BESW

One step closer to assimilating another hapless soul into my hivemind.

doppelgreener

@BESW Yesss... it is definitely happening that way around, of course...

BESW

Iterative interpretation without careful reading. That's not going to end poorly.

I added a tl;dr thesis statement.

Miniman

@BESW I'm definitely in 'not a real question' territory with that one, particularly since I didn't do any research effort.

BESW

10:57 PM

It's an issue I've seen people struggle with even after doing research.

If you haven't asked it in 10 or 12 hours, I might.

Miniman

@BESW Absolutely, go ahead. I don't doubt that it could be turned into a real question, I'm just not likely to do it when my idle curiosity has already been satisfied :)

Also, some overlap

Actually, never mind. All those questions on necromancy basically say that it's evil because it has the evil descriptor.

The only one that backs up that the evil descriptor indicates an evil act is a PF one

IgneusJotunn

11:38 PM

I keep considering asking for a useful definition of the nine alignments- on the one hand it's a bit subjective (in the way that bricks don't float very well) on the other hand there are enough philosophers on this site I'm sure something would crop up.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I need another decadent ... Aspect to ponder about the cystarchy today during work...

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Social services?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Igneus, its a trap. Don't wander into that tar pit

IgneusJotunn

@BrianBallsun-Stanton We can do what we want, but we cannot want what we want.

Miniman

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Propaganda program outside of the state itself?

BESW

11:40 PM

Is the cystarchy at war with Eurasia?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Trivialy solved via restoration. Where's the delicious negation of the core fantasy tropes?

(On phone) I see it as east Germany as a client state in a buffer zone between the kingdoms of the core classes and the soviet republic of splatbooks

IgneusJotunn

@BrianBallsun-Stanton What's the response to adventurers? Seems like the cystarchy would love to recruit them, and might even make a pretty good questgiver.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

So postwar vibe after locate city was used to end the last great war.

Igneous, Take a look at my second answer. I cover that ehaustively

BESW

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Postwar... decadence... drugs, sex, ennui...

How does the cystarchy deal with its citizens' desire for postwar indulgence?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Mmmm...

IgneusJotunn

11:44 PM

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Whups, I'd just seen the first one. Scuse me all, I have reading to do :)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

BESW, given it generates.ambrosia as a fiat currency, I would expect it to be libertine

Miniman

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Does the cystarchy want population growth, stability, or decline?

BESW

Then reconciling a libertine approach to indulgence with a surveillance state might be interesting?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I duuno. This series of answers is intentionally decadent and perverse, as it undermines the intent of the system and its nominal settings.

Mini, like any bureaurctatic organism. It wants to endure.

BESW

....witch hunts?

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