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Mourdos

10:00 AM

@BESW I'm based in Watford, if anyone is UK based :P

doppelgreener

BESW and I are in GMT+10, sorry!

Mourdos

xD

kviiri

I'm UTC+3 ATM (daylight saving time)

It was funny going to Tanzania in 2012, because the timezone is the same but the time still feels very... different. As a Finn I had a hard time adjusting to the "it gets bright at 6AM, dark at 6PM" schedule the local sun had :P

doppelgreener

@kviiri ah, equatorial rather than a heavy day/night variation? :)

kviiri

@JonathanHobbs Yeah. In Finland, that time of the year is so short I usually don't even notice it. We have long days in the Summer and short ones in the Winter.

BESW

10:05 AM

I am sometimes able to carve out a chunk of time to run short-form chat RPGs here on the site.

Timing is often a challenge, but the chunks of time I can find are usually not at "standard" RPG hours so people in other zones may find them more normal.

Mourdos

A friend of mine works in Turku in Finland.

Said they were hiring. I'm tempted to apply.

I'm a programmer by trade.

BESW

There are some British Isles users on the site...

This guy drops by chat occasionally.

Rob, Leeds, United Kingdom

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Mourdos

Right timezone, too far for local.

Oh dear, my GM is planning to cast dispel magic on my summons.

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Q: Dispel Magic vs multiple summons

Dispel magic says: If you target an object or creature that is the effect of an ongoing spell (such as a monster summoned by summon monster), you make a dispel check to end the spell that conjured the object or creature. If a summoner uses summon monster 3 to summon multiple lower level...

pathfinder

He tried protection from good the other day. Elementals be neutral :-)

BESW

....can summoned creatures with spell resistance use their SR against dispel magic?

Mourdos

they are the target

Spell Resistance no

So no

BESW

10:14 AM

aw.

Mourdos

You make one dispel check (1d20 + your caster level) and compare that to the spell with highest caster level (DC = 11 + the spell's caster level).

So exactly 50% chance if they are the same level as I

BESW

Reason #98 I dislike 3.PF.

doppelgreener

@BESW the mathematics just mentioned, or the fact the players and the GM are, apparently by common culture, in a race to make whatever the other guy's doing stop working?

BESW

Yes.

doppelgreener

but which one is reason #98

or are these subsections of reason 98, and your reasons list has gone fractal

lisardggY

10:20 AM

@JonathanHobbs I'm guessing the math, because the cultural issue is higher up the list.

doppelgreener

@lisardggY i dunno, there's a lot of cultural issues to get past, he could have 97 of those

lisardggY

@JonathanHobbs There's a Jay-Z joke in here somewhere.

Mourdos

The problem we face in this game is that I am playing a master summoner.

And my GM has an issue with both my power and my versatility.

lisardggY

@Mourdos Ah, yes, we've seen that:

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Q: Ways to solve balance problems with a Master Summoner

I'm currently running a pathfinder game and am running into balance problems with a Master Summoner. It's a low level game (started from level 1) and the summoner is currently level 4 but about to reach level 5 and I'm seriously worried. The player has been deliberately holding back in encounter...

pathfinder balance summoner

Mourdos

From the get go, I've basically been limiting myself in how many summons I throw out, and I've been fairly frugal with them

Problem is, I'm a long term "Summon Monster" user.

So I know the various tricks you use

I asked my DM to ban the archtype before I chose it

As part of the whole ridiculess "charges" fiasco, I asked him to allow me to choose to dismiss existing summons as part of a new summons

Which is only fair enough

Ever since then, I have only ever used my summon monster ability when one is already active once

and that was when we were fighting the final encounter, because I was bored

I think I used a lightning elemental yesterday to bull rush someone in full plate off a ship

but the DM let he hold his breath before he hit the water

and he had a good swim score

Next level I fly everywhere.

For comparison, we have a gunslinger who crit for 89 damage on a touch attack yesterday

/complaining

Sorry

kviiri

10:29 AM

Heh

Say, anyone have an idea for an action-packed setting for the one-off AW game, with mostly new players?

Mourdos

Its not the character that has the problem. I'm just getting bored of the game. Its resolved down into go somewhere, kill stuff. Go somewhere, kill stuff.

AW?

kviiri

One of the players asked for sci-fi.

@Mourdos Apocalypse World (although we'll be using only the rules, possibly ditching the post-apocalyptic setting)

Mourdos

XComm, aftermath?

Isn't AW that game .. no, that is DE

kviiri

Apocalypse World on itself is rather poorly suited for one-off play. Many mechanics happen on a "per session" basis, making them only meaningful for longer campaigns.

But the rules are simple and translate well to different settings - one of my groups plays AW in the Shadowrun universe!

Currently, I've been thinking of making this a steampunk bank job.

Mourdos

Are you going for the "weird science" or the "we never really 'got' this newfangled computing" style of steampunk

Aka, Girl Genius style or not :P

kviiri

10:39 AM

A mixture - I don't want to scrap the psychic powers of Apocalypse World, so that'd be the weird science.

Mourdos

In that case, you can probably replace most electronics skills with the "wierd science" skill

and effectivly just make it a flavor change

kviiri

There's no electronics skills :)

Mourdos

Fair enough, even simpler

kviiri

By the way, whenever I do something with steampunk, or cold war -punk, there's always a supercomputer involved.

Mourdos

Ah

Castle Hetrodyne exists once more

That would make a wonderful setting

kviiri

10:41 AM

In Steampunk, it's Babbage's Analytical Engine.

or its successor.

lisardggY

I have a Castle Falkenstein game I need to write.

Luckily it's for a con that's only in October, so I got time.

...too much time. So I'm procrastinating.

kviiri

I have notes for a story about a supercomputer created in the 60's (alternate history from that point onward) that a secretive organization is trying to make a benevolent dictator of the world. It's a twist on the "evil komputor mastermind" trope in that the computer just does what it's programmed to do, with no malice: it's the people who accept the programming who are fools.

Mourdos

Isn't that the premise for Paranoia?

kviiri

I don't know, I thought the Paranoia computer is... well, paranoid.

Mourdos

Actually, that is mostly because of the Ultra-violet clearnance programmers

Who basically program the computer to do conflicting things

as a result, the computer ends up working against itself

and being paranoid

kviiri

10:47 AM

Okay, my computer isn't exactly concerned about its own well-being or anything. It's frankly a quite impersonal little (room-sized) device.

My CALF (yes, I like Biblical name theming and this is the Golden Calf of the organization) has a complex algorithm that allows it to decide "right" from "wrong", given a morality problem as an input.

Mourdos

How black/white is it?

kviiri

CALF, or the story?

Mourdos

CALF

kviiri

CALF is just a machine, it has literally nothing apart from the right/wrong algorithm.

Mourdos

What I mean is, does CALF understand that there are shades of grey in morals, or does it simply output a binary response to the question "is the following moral? "

kviiri

10:50 AM

It's a binary response. You can just ask it "Should I ..." (properly encoded, of course) and it answers.

Mourdos

Interesting. So " Should I kill one healthy man to save two dying?"

Would respond true.

Since 1 < 2

Or false

Because the rights of the individual

BESW

@JonathanHobbs I'm okay with a competitive playstyle of mutual agency denial (I don't want to play it but I recognise it's a popular, valid playstyle). But it's yet another example of Trap Option design where the Fun Options ("I summon a swarm of bees the size of horse!") are the Bad Choices ("I have a generic spell which trivialises a wide swathe of your Fun Spells but provides no Fun of its own").

kviiri

Yes, except more specific. Many plot points would revolve around questions like "Would Senator Andrew's death be good for mankind?" and the computer, with its "infallible algorithm of good vs evil", answers.

None of my players watch this chat, so I can spoil this somewhat: as I said earlier, the main "villains" (not actually evil, just doing heinous things for what they believe is the greater good) are the people who constantly query CALF for advice on how the world should be ran. The problem is, CALF itself is fallible, and it, in a way, knows that itself.

Mourdos

I guess the question that needs answering is "Should we destroy CALF?"

kviiri

Indeed!

Mourdos

10:55 AM

Does CALF believe itself a force for good?

Although, for the most part, it is irrelivent.

Since the PCs will barge in and explode it

eventually

kviiri

It doesn't believe anything, it's just a computer. But it would respond that "yes, stop listening to me" because the algorithm, despite its flaws, knows that listening for a computer for foolproof advice isn't always for the best and can cause terrible results.

Mourdos

This kind of reminds me of a game of M&M we played

We as the players basically stumbled across one of the enemy agents meetings by accident.

And then choose to follow one at random.

All we knew at this point was that they were kidnapping mutants with regerneative powers.

We stole his laptop, found the base

and skipped the entire plot line by turning up and destroying it the day two days after we started investigating

The DM had written out their entire security procedure

BESW

@kviiri I like this concept. However, the exact nature of the question would give very different answers.

Mourdos

Once we registered as "people interfering" on their radar, they would take a couple of days to organise survailance on us, and then a week later their base would be on full alert.

@BESW Its also sounds like a game where the characters would need to care about morality and philosophy

BESW

@Mourdos I'm reminded of Aeon Wave.

Mourdos

11:00 AM

Because one the players' characters get it into their head that they are good and the enemy is evil, their motivations are mostly irreverent.

kviiri

@BESW Yeah, I've got the entire sage of the CALF worked out inside my head. I just can't think of a proper outlet for it. It could work as a Metal Gear Solid -like videogame, or as a movie or a comic, but my principal mode of art is poetry and epic poetry is dead anyway...

Mourdos

If its only a short campaign, I would make the players the ones with acess to CALF

access*

BESW

Aeon Wave's final encounter culminates in the decision whether or not to unleash an AI with god-like power. The decision ultimately hinges on whether the party believes the AI's claim that it will be a benevolent dictator, and if they're okay with that.

I've run it twice and both times the party has freed the AI, but for totally different reasons.

Mourdos

Have them start out believing that CALF will make the world a better place, and have the plot resolve around them learning that computers don't make the best moralists.

kviiri

I could work it into an RPG as a whole, but the story as I've planned it spans several decades and the protagonist changes thrice (people die in that universe).

BESW

11:03 AM

The first time was a solo session with @trogdor, whose character's primary goal in life was to do something that the entire world would notice and remember. So he unleashed a godlike supercomputer on the world, hardly caring what its motives and goals were.

The second time was a slightly larger group, and it culminated in taking a vote. The primary reason they voted to release the AI was that both the party and the AI thought the AI's programmer was a jerkface.

Mourdos

That... seems odd.

BESW

Hm?

Mourdos

How long does the session take to run?

I'm familiar, just about, with Fate

Might look into running it

BESW

Took a couple hours--um, three to five.

But the Aeon Wave adventure book provides lots of side content for expanding the adventure or making more adventures in the same world.

Mourdos

Can you give me a brief overview of the module? I'm guessing its a couple of fights and a lot of interaction?

BESW

11:06 AM

Let me pull it up.

Fate adventures aren't like D&D adventures, really. They're a lot more freeform.

Mourdos

I know someone who is into his moralistic choices. And another couple of people that have completely opposite views on how things should work. I want to throw them into a party and see what they decide.

And if they shoot each other

BESW

Here's the table of contents, then I'll give you a bit of rundown.

Mourdos

Looks nice and brief

BESW

So it gives you a starting scenario, the semi-apocalyptic cyberpunk version of "you all meet in a bar."

There's a location, some NPCs, and some info that needs to get conveyed. The party gets their mission and gets attacked.

kviiri

The CALF saga, as I've planned it, starts from 60's when the computer is created, and an "operative unit" is assigned to carry out its will actively instead of just offering access to it to influential people. Then there's an incident with a certain CIA agent, who feels angry that some extragovernmental secret society is exercising their morals on in his country. After the incident CALF's operative unit gets rather... paranoid, to the point where some of the members split off.

BESW

11:10 AM

After that the adventure gets much more open-ended: there's a clear end goal defined by their mission, but how the party reaches that goal is up to them.

The whole rest of the adventure boils down to "break in, get to a particular room, have a confrontation and make an Important Decision."

kviiri

The protagonists are all people who, at some point, decide to cut their ties with CALF.

BESW

The book lets you improvise this by giving you a sense of the setting rather than of the movement.

So you get the building and its environs (descriptions and location aspects for floors and important rooms); statblocks and character notes for major NPCs (goals, relationships, abilities and responsibilities); minor NPC statblocks; and some notes on what to make sure the party runs into/finds out--mostly a series of partially-decoded journals that the party finds while they're hacking various terminals.

The first time, Trogdor's character had a chameleon suit. He disguised himself as one of the people who tried to kill him in the first scene and used their helicopter to fly back into the building he was supposed to infiltrate. Then, still disguised as a security mercenary, he staged his own infiltration as himself and planted evidence he'd broken into the room he wanted access to... so that he would be granted access to it so he could go hunt himself down.

The second time, they got in through a combination of palmed keycards, getting captured, and sneaking in through the sewers, depending on each character's strengths. They met up inside and bluffed their way into the goal room.

Mourdos

Nice

Sounds good. I'll give it a try at some point.

BESW

The manual goes over the commonly-expected strategies, but gives enough setting info to roll with whatever they come up with.

Mourdos

I like that its not linear, but gives you all the information you need.

I take it you still need the core fate rules to play?

I have a copy of them, but I'm looking to see how much the players need to read up

BESW

11:19 AM

Ah, yeah. The GM should know the core rules enough to help the players along.

There are pre-made character sheets with about half the info filled in, and on-sheet guides for filling in the rest. For example, the High Concept has you add an adjective to a phrase like The ______ Gunslinger, while your Trouble aspect is chosen from a list of suggestions like Stim addict and Former Red Sea employee (Red Sea is the company you infiltrate during the mission).

Three of your highest skills are pre-filled-in, and one stunt has been chosen based on your character concept.

They suggest you fill in skills as you play, and choose your second stunt before you start (they have a list of stunts to choose from) but choose the third during play.

I used Aeon Wave as the first Fate game for a new player, alongside two players who were familiar with the system.

It was very easy for her to pick up.

(It was her first non-D&D-style game, actually!)

Overall I found Aeon Wave to be a very high-quality adventure which really understands how Fate games need pre-made modules to be constructed.

@RobertF Hey.

trogdor

11:42 AM

it was a fun system

nice setting, decent mechanics

and I definitely enjoyed the group I played it with the second time too

BESW

11:53 AM

@trogdor @JonathanHobbs Okay, the party starts at 4, so I should be able to get back by 6 no problem. Usually we get some takeout before we play, which I can pick up on my way back. Let's say... starting to game 7ish feels very comfortable.

trogdor

mk

what is the plan for what we are playing?

BESW

Ummm.

Probably CD, but I don't have anything totally prepped yet.

trogdor

not having one is a valid response

lol

BESW

There's always RFS.

trogdor

yeah

true

anyway, I am certainly good with both options

BESW

12:06 PM

I think Daniel's interested in having a CD PC go insane and joining the monster.

Mourdos

I kind of remember a player making ask a wish of a bound deamon we came across in a game. The other players were evil, neutral and neutral. I was lawful good. Didn't know the evil guy was evil. The deamon was one who wanted to bring evil into the world, so all the wishes are subverted to make them evil. The player basically says " I want you to make the dragon evil"

The DM told me he was changing me from LG to NE, because he didn't trust CE players

I found that amusing

BESW

Heh.

I've seen CE and CN used as the "I can do whatever seems most amusing/most personally beneficial and nobody can argue it's out of character, so praise me for my RP while I nuke the plot and make my friends miserable" alignment.

kviiri

Ugh, I hate the Chaotic Neutral stereotype.

BESW

Yet another reason I am baffled how the alignment system has survived so long.

lisardggY

I'm glad it was removed from the 4e-and-onwards alignment system.

kviiri

12:18 PM

I think its simplicity has given it a certain appeal. Where things really go badly is when it starts to get applied too rigidly, and even outside the system.

"Batman is Lawful Good!" "No, he's Chaotic Good!" "Lawful Neutral!" "Lawful Evil!"

lisardggY

I really don't want to get into the age-old "is the alignment system good or not". It's too big and loaded a topic. But given that it's there, I'm glad they removed the ones that were consistently abused, like CN.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@kvirri

Mourdos

Hehe

trogdor

@BESW I had a relatively similar interest with my ships cook

lisardggY

Oh, I thought 5e had stuck to the 4e schema. Seems they're back to the old one. :-/

kviiri

12:21 PM

Yeah, I think the 4e alignment system makes more sense by merging some of the similar alignments.

BESW

@tnegherbon Hi! You'll need at least 20 rep on any one Stack Exchange site before you can type in chat rooms, but you're welcome to hang out until then.

Mourdos

@kviiri Batman's alignment is clearly "The goddamn batman"

kviiri

The Dark Knight, the Black Paladin, the Shady Chevalier...

Mourdos

/me waves

Joshua Aslan Smith

kviiri

12:23 PM

I remembered there being an array like that! Hah! :)

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah took me slightly longer than I thought to find it

Mourdos

New troll topic. Hilter was clearly lawful good. Discuss, with a bias towards proving this true.

I like the batman chart

apart from Chaotic Good. Which I couldn't read

BESW

@JoshuaAslanSmith "I think I'm starting to sound more like Moriarty than Sherlock Holmes" takes on a whole different tone after Moffat's Sherlock.

Mourdos

Yes, Moriarty was hilariously insane. or is that inane? Possibly a mixture.

All hail the hat detective.

Oxinabox

If I had to run with an alignment system I think I would just want the corners.
No neutrals.
\

kviiri

12:31 PM

If I recall correctly, the original Moriarty was retconned in the series by the author in a sense. He was this supposed nemesis of Holmes that he'd never said a thing about.

@Oxinabox Sounds good, because usually neutral winds up being "chaotic, but not quite".

BESW

I thought Moffat's version of Moriarty was... a kind of sad throwback, actually. I thought we were getting over Sissy Villains.

kviiri

I might keep the center box too, true neutral is distinctive enough if you remove all the other neutrals.

And lo, we have 4e alignment system.

Aaron

Morning

Oxinabox

Actually I think True Neural is better replaced with Lawful Neural

BESW

@Aaron [wave]

kviiri

12:35 PM

@Oxinabox Oh? To me, that would lack the "every man for himself" which true neutral would represent.

Oxinabox

Every man for himself is Chaotic.

kviiri

But we don't have that.

lisardggY

True Neutral is often poorly defined too. Sometimes it's a druidish "balance above all", sometimes it's a "none of the above".

Oxinabox

Lawful Neural is the machine sage.
I have cleans myself of emotions, Eg Tech Priest.

Mourdos

I didn't feel that Moffat's version of Moriarty was overly sissy. He mostly felt like an under appreciate wage slave gone a little bonkers.

lisardggY

12:37 PM

We have "soft TN" and "hard TN", like "soft atheism" and "hard atheism".

Oxinabox

He was alittle sissy thinking back

kviiri

@lisardggY That actually, somewhat surprisingly, stayed intact in 4e. It's been bugging me all the time.

Mourdos

I have a soft TN character

Oxinabox

but the alignment system is inherently ungood.

for things I want to play

at the moment

lisardggY

@Oxinabox I agree, but that's explicitly out of scope for this discussion. :)

Mourdos

12:39 PM

Mostly because he has at various points done the following: LE defense of killing 20 dwarves, Worships a NG god of nature, and done things just because he feels like it CN.

Oxinabox

My WoD morality 9 character (former promethan), is going to become a werewolf sooner or later.;

This is going to mean a change from "Not allowed to be selfish" (Let alone hurt anyone.)
to "Murder is no sin"

in mechanical terms

kviiri

I like how DnD 4e's alignment system considers alignment not just your character's behavior, but in a sense their cosmic affiliation.

Oxinabox

Infact it is going to give him the requirment to kill (animals) for food.

lisardggY

@kviiri This Moorcockian view of alignment is the only one that works for me.

kviiri

Meaning that Chaotic Evil is the demonic side, everything else the divine side.

Oxinabox

12:41 PM

@kviiri: That was better in earlier editions when there were more plains.

^Planes

kviiri

@lisardggY What's that?

@Oxinabox Oh yeah, there was a plane for every alignment or something?

lisardggY

@kviiri In many of Michael Moorcock's novels, Law and Chaos aren't abstract ideologies, but concrete factions. You were either aligned with the Lords of Chaos, like Arioch, or with the forces of Law.

@kviiri Yeah, there was. It was... a bit silly. You had a Chaotic Good plane where people would basically lie around lazily being nice to each other.

kviiri

Well, that makes alignment rather concrete. I dislike it when it's just a wacky constraint on how your character is expected to behave.

lisardggY

@kviiri It also works better when it's not a constraint, but a guideline.

Mourdos

@BESW You Sir, are a villain of the highest order. I do not need to lose my afternoon.

lisardggY

12:45 PM

Consider Mass Effect, if you will, where your alignment (either Paragon or Renegade) isn't a preset definition, but the current state of your morality, based on the sum of your actions so far.

Oxinabox

yep. And each had a creature type.
You had the Lawful Good Archons, IIRC Angels were chaotic good.
Lawful Neutral had these constructs (They were kind of angels of keeping oaths or something), and had a plane that was made of cogs.
Devils were lawful evil, and demons chaotic.

Mourdos

Inevitables. "I AM the law"

Oxinabox

^^ those guys ^^

Consider WOD: where your Alignment, is your morality, which repressents the things you are willing to do. Without feeling bad.

Mourdos

There was a terrible spell, call Inevitable.

Which cost XP, and Inevitables sucked

kviiri

Consider my typical system, where alignment doesn't exist, and each character (pretty much like people IRL) aren't categorized into boxes by their morals.

Oxinabox

12:51 PM

Consider; we should talk about something different

Are the ShadowRun books any good>?'

BESW

Not a bar, but plays one on TV

I'm not a place to unwind after work, but I play one on TV.

1

Alignment discussion might want to move over there, if it continues.

Oxinabox

I like what I have heard about shadowrun, but I want to read somefiction before i did too deep into the rules.

BESW

I'm almost totally unfamiliar with ShadowRun; I didn't know there were books.

kviiri

I recommend not digging deep into the Shadowrun rules. Who knows what abominations you might unleash in these murky depths no mortal eyes have beheld before. (or cybereyes, for that matter)

Oxinabox

I own a few but haven't read them yet, cos they are deep in the series.

BESW

12:54 PM

@kviiri Spsh. I've followed 3.5 into the bowels of epic levels, and rolled six deadEarth characters. Bring it on.

kviiri

lookrobot.co.uk/2013/10/14/ten-things-hate-shadowrun there's this one, originally linked by someone else (so statistically, BESW)

BESW

@kviiri Statistics have failed you!

kviiri

Ha! Well they are like the black magic of mathematics anyway ;)

Oxinabox

I have now run 2 ecplise phase campaigns.
Rules can not hurt me.

Systems being bad can not hurt me.

Settings having no reason for PCs to exist can not hurt me

lisardggY

@Oxinabox Sounds like someone needs to be deadEarthed.

Oxinabox

1:00 PM

no, not that that can still hurt me.
(maybe another day though)

BESW

[bangs silverware on table] deadEarth. deadEarth. deadEarth.

> I must not RAW. RAW is the mind-killer. RAW is the little-death that brings total nonsensification. I will face the rules. I will permit them to pass over me and through me. And when they have gone past I will turn the inner eye to see their purpose. Where the rules have gone there will be nothing. Only narrative will remain.

6

Mourdos

I played Shadowrun 4e

Can I roll a character for death Earth?

I have no access to the books, but it seems hilarious

kviiri

@Mourdos If I recall correctly, the books are available online for free. BESW might remember the link.

And also, there's a dedicated room for rolling deadEarth chars!

Mourdos

I just want to roll some dice and kill some characters :P

BESW

@Mourdos You roll three characters at once and choose the one you want to play with. This is because sometimes characters don't even survive being created.

Links are at the beginning of the transcript:

deadEarth: The Chargenning

Where characters are rolled but never played

Joshua Aslan Smith

1:08 PM

@besw I agree, I think making villains gay or merely effeminate is a bit old

doppelgreener

@BESW @trogdor i have texted dan to see if he would like to join us

BESW

@JonathanHobbs Way ahead of you.

I'll be doing a Curse of the Lake Monster adventure: modern-day Cthulhu Dark, heavy on the investigation, based on a really really bad Scooby Doo live action made-for-TV film.

He's excited.

Inbar Rose

@BESW Enough with that crazy game... jeez.

doppelgreener

@BESW You spoke to him yourself about it? :o

kviiri

@InbarRose The chargen has the same perverted appeal as Dwarf Fortress.

doppelgreener

1:16 PM

How did you manage this feat? Was he on Skype?

BESW

@JonathanHobbs Aye.

doppelgreener

I usually have spotty ability to get in touch with him, haha.

He is not reliably online on any protocol, and his phone has weird issues with not being very noisy.

Oxinabox

@kviiri: I play dwarf fortress for fun.

doppelgreener

@Oxinabox http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Fun?

Oxinabox

Sometimes for !!fun!!

Today, I discovered adamatium, by my military dodging an attack -- into a volcano

kviiri

1:21 PM

I dislike Dwarf Fortress myself, but wind up playing a game or two anyway whenever a new version comes.

doppelgreener

> Dwarf vs Goblins, Humans, Elves... Seizing goods from a friendly caravan will often lead to large shipment of fun next time the traders visit. Remember, it's not paranoia if they are out to get you.

I like the writing on this page.

kviiri

I've yet to try 0.40.x though. It seems 0.40.05 is finally somewhat playable.

wax eagle

TIL: why my favorite bagel shops iced coffee is so good. instead of room temp or cool coffee poured over ice, it's a triple shot of espresso drawn directly over ice. I approve of this.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@besw great analysis of the term, also a great example of imitators watering down the original concept

Not a bar, but plays one on TV

deadEarth: The Chargenning

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