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allquixotic

00:13

@Bob I don't think any BT cans support it :/

Bob

en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Team_Fortress_2#Meet_the_Heavy - "Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe...maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." — Seth Battin Sep 25 '14 at 21:53

@allquixotic ...then that'd be a BT problem, no?

there's one thing wired does well, though probably not all that useful :P

allquixotic

@Bob sure. they need to add duplex A2DP + mic as a profile

Journeyman Geek

00:59

Hi.

Ben N

Hi!

Journeyman Geek

I see we had an unhappy user earlier. I've skimmed through the transcript but looked like you chaps handled it well.

Ben N

allquixotic and Burgi handled it like professionals

I was mostly just watching, since anything from me probably would have made things worse

Journeyman Geek

yup

DavidPostill

Hmmph.

Journeyman Geek

01:07

@HackToHell that's what old IBM would have done

DavidPostill

@BenN Was I too tough on him then?

Ben N

Oh, I only left you out because you came in later and I wasn't watching too closely at that point. No slight against you :)

And TBG was there too

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill perfect tbh

he was specifically trying to pick a fight with me and ben

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Thx

Journeyman Geek

and it was handled calmly, and more importantly with style

@allquixotic funny thing is I don't actually need/want audio jacks for music.

that said, I still think a screw on 3.5mm inch jack to USB C device (like the screw on 3.5mm to 1/4 inch connector) would be awesome.

bwDraco

02:04

What happened? I might be able to learn a bit of a lesson...

Journeyman Geek

lol

@bwDraco read the transcript

bwDraco

I was expecting a link to a specific message...

Journeyman Geek

lol

bwDraco

I'm trying to fast-track learning key soft skills and might ask for some explanation behind the actions taken so I know what to do.

Journeyman Geek

One does not rush these things

besides, you need to learn patience ;)

bwDraco

02:07

It's okay.

Journeyman Geek

I would... amusingly enough

3 hours ago, by allquixotic

@Bob read the star wall and the scrollback

Start here. Then work backwards. Then work forwards

and don't ping the people involved

bwDraco

I'm quite literally hungry for every opportunity to learn.

Okay, give me a moment...

(on mobile and tied up right now so not quite ready to study this)

Journeyman Geek

lol

You asked ;p

bwDraco

I'll look at it in a moment.

So, what I'm going to do is roleplay and state what I would have done. I'd like to have any mistakes in this proposed course of action pointed out so I'm better prepared to handle similar situations in the future.

I will discuss this in the mod room so it doesn't impact main chat.

Journeyman Geek

There's nothing to discuss

its handled

bwDraco

02:15

That's not the issue. I just want to seize the chance to learn a lesson.

Journeyman Geek

And the lesson is "its handled, there's no point digging it up"

Psycogeek

imagine if the rest of life was like that.
Hey what happened here? Just hop back in time 20 minutes and watch it live.
I suspect that nobody would get anything done ever if that was possible.

much like trying to re-hash it over in a courtroom for ages

Journeyman Geek

The trick to effective chat moderation is stopping trouble before it starts

not raking it back over once its done

WHATEVER Dave

I should have twitch streamed it

Journeyman Geek

lol

WHATEVER Dave

02:18

It would have been part of a vob

Journeyman Geek

Twitch streaming chat...

WHATEVER Dave

And you could have watched it prerecorded

Journeyman Geek

yer monsterocity.

WHATEVER Dave

Hows it going my buddy ol @JourneymanGeek

;)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

02:20

JOptionPanes are weird

Journeyman Geek

lol

There's some chat related words from above tm

Psycogeek

300 new videos are uploaded to youtube for each Minute , so while your watching one video, 300 more popped up you missed.

Journeyman Geek

But its entirely irrelevant to us ;p

Dog

@Leathe It is quite literally a tsunami, with tsunamis being a "feature" of the new expansion...

I just find it ironic how being flooded by a tsunami is being juxtaposed by "needs more water"

Journeyman Geek

I'm not going to bother to pin this, cause I will personally ~~box the ears~~ bit the ankles of anyone who is not nice but... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/289398/…

Dog

02:22

@Bob Desktop replacement

Instead of 1) Gaming desktop, 2) Gaming laptop which will be plugged in most of the time anyway and 3) A convertible/tablet, I might as well just get the gaming laptop that substitutes as a desktop

WHATEVER Dave

nice analytics

Dog

Wait no that was another laptop

Journeyman Geek

that was that acer thing

Dog

@Bob My current 13" laptop with an overheating dual-core CPU and no GPU is at least 3cm thick and over 2.2KG

bwDraco

For me, I think I need to not be so aggressive. I need to be gentle.

Dog

02:24

Granted, ten hours battery life even on a 37w CPU

WHATEVER Dave

@JourneymanGeek: heres my twitter scraping analysis that I did on donald trump and hillary on the last month before the election. This is retweets and favorite's combined: pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv87LurWYAEVV_6.jpg

blue = trump / red is hillary

Dog

@Bob I thought you wanted a desktop not a laptop

Journeyman Geek

@WHATEVERDave I agressively block political memes from social networking ;p

bwDraco

The hard part about soft skills is that it can only be properly learned live. I guess I need to go out more...

Bob

@Dog Yea, this year is all about the desktop.

Laptop... maybe in a year or two.

WHATEVER Dave

02:25

Tweet Count: (469 Donald, 778 Hillary), 8700851 retweets, 20484050 favorites in grand total in the course of one month. That's a good participation rate

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco its worth trying to see the big picture here.

Dog

@djsmiley2k What's a lyre and why am I one

WHATEVER Dave

I should have made bets online, I would have won BIG

Dog

@Bob Ironically this year is the year there's sod all new to buy in the desktop market (at least as far as Intel is concerned)

Journeyman Geek

Dog

02:26

Zen might change that... a lot

Journeyman Geek

From a mod perspective, I 1) want things to be handled quickly and then dropped

Bob

Journeyman Geek

2) do as little as possible personally

Bob

@Dog Yea... I chose a kinda bad time.

But I was originally planning with Skylake in mind, so... good enough? :P

Anyway, it's really more about the motherboard and peripherals than the CPU itself.

Dog

@Bob And how can I be a compulsive... whatever that is

WHATEVER Dave

02:28

Yeah, I try to avoid politics as much as possible. Its just interesting to scrape data

Dog

@Bob I think I'm just gonna stick with Skylake

WHATEVER Dave

And learn from it.

Dog

Dell has something like $500 off the Skylake Alienware I wanted now it's on clearance... but US only

Journeyman Geek

Attenborough: the amazing Lyre Bird sings like a chainsaw! Now in high quality - BBC Earth

►

Dog

Funny enough my current laptop which has "died" twice in the last two years, hence pushing me into "needing" a replacement, manages to just keep chugging along...

Even the sporadic untraceable random crashes have all but disappeared

Journeyman Geek

02:30

kinda like the DOID?

bwDraco

@qasdf, I stand by my word and will no longer respond to your troll bait. — bwDraco 1 min ago

@qasdfdsaq: can you not nitpick on my answers only? The exact same complaint applies to DavidPostill's answer. — bwDraco Jan 1 at 19:17

(the latter comment has 13 upvotes)

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco what brought that on?

bwDraco

An earlier nitpick on my answer.

Journeyman Geek

how's that constructive?

bwDraco

The question does not say "all optical media" anywhere, it specifically refers to CDs and DVDs. — qasdfdsaq Jan 1 at 19:14

Dog

02:31

Someone was spamming bad answers in here and I posted a comment on them.

Journeyman Geek

Anyone has a right to comment. And for those comments to be arbitrarily and finally be nuked

bwDraco

I got a "No..." comment with no further explanation.

Journeyman Geek

and the best way to deal with 'negative' comments is with facts, not "don't thread on me bro!"

Bob

s/thread/tread/

bwDraco

I would rather have those comments deleted.

Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

02:33

>_>

Dog

Troll bait only works on trolls funny enough

Journeyman Geek

eh. knock it off you two.

Dog

Best way to avoid people criticizing your false accusations against others is to not make false accusations against others in the first place.

Journeyman Geek

@Dog Drop it please.

Dog

I made one totally factual comment, what is there to drop?

Journeyman Geek

02:36

I'll deal with the comments, but this is clearly not being constructive

bwDraco

I am not responding further.

Dog

Telling the OP his question is wrong to cover up and deny the fact your answer is wrong is not constructive. Whinging at people who point that out to you isn't being constructive either

Journeyman Geek

Actually saying a question is wrong is a perfectly fine way to answer a question. Here's the thing. I felt draco calling you out this way was wrong. you two do not interact well with each other.

so, I'm going 'this could be a problem' before it is. And I strongly suggest you listen, and move on to another topic.

Dog

It's not a perfectly fine way to answer a question that was not asked by answering a different question and tell the OP he should have asked what you wanted him to ask instead of what the OP actually wanted to know

bwDraco

I just feel I'm getting exploited.

Journeyman Geek

02:40

@Dog you're argueing for the sake of argueing.

Dog

It's like Q: "What's the best AMD processor"
A: "You wrongly assume AMD processors are good for gaming. The best AMD processor for gaming is an Intel i7"

@JourneymanGeek I'm arguing because I'm a cat and you're a dog.

Journeyman Geek

(and note, I was telling draco your comments were valid, and I'd take a look)

Dog

We're just incompatible mkay

My comments were so valid you chose to delete them

Yeah that makes sense

Journeyman Geek

@Dog its not constructive. I'm also kinda the guy who has to deal with the fallout, and I'm saying, move on.

bwDraco

I recognize that Dog/qasdf had a vaild issue and already addressed it in an edit. I would rather not argue this.

Dog

02:41

Meanwhile, I'm off to dream about Alienware laptops with AMD processors.

Journeyman Geek

good idea.

WHATEVER Dave

Hes really typing not saying, just wanted to type that out.

bwDraco

Let's move on.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco you are. Its handled. You move on too.

@Dog heh. Does dell ever?

Dog

!!s/typing/barking/

ChatBot John Cavil

02:42

@Dog Hes really barking not saying, just wanted to type that out. (source)

Bob

Dog

bwDraco

Thank you, @JourneymanGeek.

WHATEVER Dave

I love you all.

Dog

!!taytaytaylovesyouguys

ChatBot John Cavil

02:43

Bob

bwDraco

lol

Bob

@Dog reddit.com/r/foxes/comments/5m77ga/…

Dog

What the feck was Google thinking

Journeyman Geek

@Dog when the ~~robot~~ IOT revolution comes...

Dog

02:46

Oh come on

bwDraco

...but I'm not going to abuse the chatbot.

Dog

You've got to be kidding me

That's three horses and some geese

Journeyman Geek

That's an odd looking ~~dog~~ fox

Dog

Finally

Now we can see what Bob looks like

Clearly he chose the name "Bob" to sound as innocuous as possible yet being impossible to Google

Bob

WHATEVER Dave

02:49

Maybe the horse is named bob and the other one is named fox.

Dog

Psycogeek

@Dog that is bob, weave , and duck , you just have to understand (the stupidity of) the machine

WHATEVER Dave

bam

Dog

I feel sleepy

I gave myself some date rape drugs

Psycogeek

@Dog you do realise that means your about to f--- yourself

bwDraco

02:53

For whatever reason, I want to use the bot to uncensor minced oaths like "feck" but I'm on the fence :P

Dog

Sadly no-one seems to want to date rape me but no matter, I'll wake up with no recollection anyway so I won't know that

bwDraco

lol

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I will totally ban you from using the chat bot if you did

@Dog that's dark and unfunny.

bwDraco

I know not to :p

Journeyman Geek

ehh

this is going to be one of those days...

@WHATEVERDave eh. That's probably not the sorta thing to link here

piracy and all that ;p

Ben N

02:56

@WHATEVERDave Anyone can see edit history of a non-deleted message ;)

WHATEVER Dave

darnit

bwDraco

Nov 4 '16 at 2:57, by bwDraco

Protip: Don't use the chatbot to generate rude or offensive messages.

:P

Journeyman Geek

@BenN and any mod or RO can see what a deleted message is ;p

Ben N

Yep

bwDraco

Much to learn. I still need to learn to watch what I'm writing because I might offend others unexpectedly.

Journeyman Geek

03:00

Personally on public chat, I prefer erring on the side of caution

talking about games is cool

linking places like that, somewhat less so

bwDraco

Lesson learned.

My apologies to anyone offended.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco the train has left the station, the horse has bolted from the stable. The garage is empty....

Keep it up... and I'll start singing.

(protip. Unlike huskies, wauzers are terrible singers)

Singing Huskies

►

bwDraco

...and I am stepping out. I am not going to restart the incident.

Ben N

One of my cats froze today :(

2

Journeyman Geek

froze how? 0_0

Ben N

03:05

They're outside cats and it's 7 F here

They have warm places to be, but this one apparently didn't figure it out tonight

Journeyman Geek

ow

is she ok?

bwDraco

Yikes.

Ben N

No, she's frozen solid

Journeyman Geek

... shit

bwDraco

lol

Bob

03:08

o.O

Journeyman Geek

@BenN is she.. dead?

Ben N

Yes

Journeyman Geek

(If so, my condolences)

Psycogeek

ahh it is a cat trick when you cant get in the house, you freeze yourself solid, then thrust yourself at the windows , untill the human notices and lets you in.

Ben N

It's difficult to be alive when frozen solid

Journeyman Geek

03:08

ugh

@Psycogeek un-funny.

Ben N

Alas, it happens to farm animals sometimes

Journeyman Geek

@BenN wasn't sure if it was metaphorical.

Ben N

A chicken froze a few weeks ago, I hoped the cats would be smarter

Journeyman Geek

oh damnit.

@bwDraco I was intentionally not engaging the guy in ask a superuser moderator.

bwDraco

...and I am going out for a walk. What I'm doing is counterproductive and actively harmful.

Ben N

03:11

Try not to freeze solid

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco quite literally, don't put anything there he can respond to

bwDraco

I wasn't trying to feed the troll. I was writing a bit of a note to self.

Journeyman Geek

Not there.

bwDraco

...hmm. Shall we lock the room?

Journeyman Geek

No

Just cause you can't leave well enough alone dosen't mean the room needs to be locked. Other users may wish to use it.

bwDraco

03:17

Ah well.

Psycogeek

cnn.com/2017/01/05/health/amazon-alexa-dollhouse-trnd/… Step away from the talking computer. "Brooke asked Alexa to "order me a dollhouse and cookies," and that's just what Alexa did. A KidKraft Sparkle Mansion dollhouse, which costs about $170, and a tin of Royal Dansk sugar cookies soon arrived."

bwDraco

So, a final summary of the lessons learned today:
1) I need to be careful about what I write. At times, I may fail to realize that what I write is not constructive or is rude or offensive.
2) I need to not feed trolls. Acknowledging the troll in any way, even indirectly, will make the problem worse.
3) I need to learn to let go, not dig up past incidents or discuss them longer than necessary.
4) When handling people problems, I need to make sure that what I do effectively solves the problem in the least drastic manner possible without escalating the issue. Sometimes, that means doing nothin…

Let's take this in a positive light and move on.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco 2 more observations.

bwDraco

I sure hope AMD has some genuinely competitive products coming out over the next few months...

Journeyman Geek

1) You use I too much. The world dosen't revolve around you. You can't fix everything.

2) Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all

You need to actually act depending on someone's motivations

bwDraco

03:31

Hopefully, I will be able to go out and socialize when my toe gets better so I can practice soft skills. It's about time.

extremetech.com/electronics/…

This is getting a bit out of hand.

1831

Q: Why does Windows think that my wireless keyboard is a toaster?

I've inherited an old PC from my girlfriend's dad and when setting up the printer I got a bit of a surprise: Two questions spring to mind here: Why does Windows think my wireless keyboard is a toaster? Why does Windows even have an icon for a toaster in the devices menu?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Min-Liang Tan must be relieved

(CEO of razer. There's a running joke/campaign for a chroma enabled toaster after an april fools day post about it)

Their two new CES concepts seem interesting

bwDraco

> peak stupid

Journeyman Geek

04:03

ooh

reversal badge on meta.se

bwDraco

And so the journey continues...

AARGH, Google Maps is constantly getting my location wrong! I'm at home, not at the local train station or the park!

Journeyman Geek

(posted without context)

bwDraco

04:32

...and as the launch of AMD Ryzen approaches, the demo at CES is showing a chip running at 3.6-4.0 GHz.

wccftech.com/…

Well, more like 3.6-3.9 GHz but they're hitting 4.0 with their latest stepping.

AMD's engineers are hard at work putting the finishing touches on the Zen architecture. Coupled to ongoing process improvements (it's still rather early days for GlobalFoundries 14nm), it definitely looks like has a competitive part on their hands.

The last several benchmarks and demos we looked at were with slower parts. The New Horizon demo was run at 3.4 GHz with boost disabled, while Canard PC's benchmarks had an engineering sample running at 3.15-3.5 GHz (notably managing to push a single core to 5 GHz on air).

Then again, Kaby Lake can be run at 5 GHz on air, no problem. Mind you, this is with a fully-enabled 4C/8T chip (read i7-7700K).

However, the clocks AMD are getting with an 8C/16T chip on a 95W TDP are pretty impressive.

Of course, we won't know for sure until benchmarks of production retail chips are released.

Journeyman Geek

04:48

yup

I do hope they're price competitive as well

(Also, I'm hoping puget does a review of them)

bwDraco

Puget Systems isn't normally a first-line reviewer for me because I see them as a system builder rather than as a reviewer.

I will probably add that to my list of tech sites to visit regularly, though.

pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/…

...and that fancy copper sticker definitely helped.

(along with a more efficient chip, of course)

Journeyman Geek

05:28

@bwDraco precisely why they're a handy place for me to get information

a lot of their blog posts are very much on the practical/system builder side of things

and they do application specific reviews at times

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ^

contrast review sites that do it for the webpage views...

otoh, while their practical measurements and experience is good, I'd not necessarily trust them as much on the technical/theoretical side

Journeyman Geek

@Bob always good to have different perspectives on things

hm

@Bob techreport.com/news/31242/…

also, amusingly this period is when I read the least tech news

bwDraco

My first-line sites have always been AnandTech and Tom's Hardware.

@JourneymanGeek That might be one reason I sometimes make less than accurate claims...

Journeyman Geek

I have those, techreport, verge, circuit breaker and I think wirecutter on my feeds

bwDraco

I see The Verge as less reliable. Too sensationalist for my taste.

Journeyman Geek

05:41

see differing perspectives

at the end of the day, the news is only what you make of it

bwDraco

The Wirecutter (run by The New York Times) is generally pretty good, though.

Journeyman Geek

Wirecutter's a different niche tho

Its 'I want to buy a thing. What's my options'

bwDraco

(more mobile-focused)

Journeyman Geek

At the end of the day though

Bob

@JourneymanGeek this period?

bwDraco

05:42

I really need to read more diverse sources.

Journeyman Geek

what I really need is data to (buy|do)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek one of these days I'll find a good way to consume feeds :\

used to use thunderbird but it's ... not great

still good for emails, just not feeds

bwDraco

I don't do RSS.

Bob

hm, maybe I can DIY a reader :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob for god's sake, make a 2 pane one that runs in windows and syncs with ttrss

;p

bwDraco

05:43

It's too lean for my taste.

Bob

@bwDraco s/sensationalist/written by randoms/

iirc verge allows 'blog posts' by... just about anyone now

@JourneymanGeek what's a ttrss

Journeyman Geek

That's the thing though

I don't read it all

@Bob self hosted web client for RSS

has a mobile application

Bob

@JourneymanGeek and how does one sync with it? O_O

Journeyman Geek

I run an instance

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I mean, if you can help me set up an instance... I can do the whole Windows program bit :P

Journeyman Geek

05:44

haz api tt-rss.org/gitlab/fox/tt-rss/wikis/ApiReference

lol

Bob

apparently I know how to do Win10 toasts now too :D

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I can give you an account on my instance

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that bezel though :(

@JourneymanGeek only if you promise to be totally non-judging on the random crap I read :P

nah, I should probably figure out how to set up my own

*adds to todo list*

Sathya

hey

bwDraco

Continuing from earlier...
6) I should read a more diverse range of news sources. Reading from a limited set of sources can lead to bias and a less-than-accurate understanding of the world. There have been a few (minor) incidents (both in chat and in real life) due to this.
7) More time needs to be spent in the outside world socializing with others. Soft skills can't be learned at home on my own time.

Journeyman Geek

05:47

@bwDraco its not a contest tho

Sathya

I have a lenovo e41-80, running on Mint 18 with a Skylake chipset. I'm having problems with bluetooth occasionally not being detected/switching on post resume from sleep. How do I go about diagnosing this

bwDraco

@Sathya My first instinct with issues like this is dmesg and possible less /var/log/messages.

Other than that, I wouldn't be able to help you much.

Bob

Issues with Linux + laptop hardware are... fun.

@Sathya Maybe AU chatroom would know more?

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya sounds like.. linux

hides

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek I know.. sigh

Bob

05:51

Mint was Ubuntu reskinned, right?

Sathya

I have to restart the laptop to get BT working again

Journeyman Geek

but yeah, what @bwDraco said makes sense

@Bob its a fork yes

Sathya

@Bob I think it's more than a skin

Bob

that's the word I was looking for

Sathya

dmesg has been not much help

Journeyman Geek

05:52

@Sathya I think you could try disabling and re-enabling the driver and/or restarting the relevant service instead

Sathya

have tried that

modprobe bluetooth / service bluetooth stop/start

Bob

derivative. bleh. words.

askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/mint

or unix.se I suppose

Sathya

> Questions not about Ubuntu but only Mint should not be asked here and will be closed as off-topic.

yeah nix.se it is..

Bob

note to self, don't leave teabag in for 5 hours

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, that's U&L or superuser territory ;p

Bob

05:55

@Sathya or repro on official ubuntu, but prolly not worth the trouble :P

Sathya

I went with Mint because I had trouble getting Ubuntu running on Skylake.

Journeyman Geek

._.

Sathya

though this was soon as 16.04 dropped ..

Journeyman Geek

fedora!

Actually I can't remember what distro I tested on my newer laptop

Sathya

I am actually running plasma 5.8.5 on this XD

Journeyman Geek

05:57

I mostly run fedora these days

Bob

@JourneymanGeek describe the two pane thing more? :P
you thinking something like outlook+preview?

Journeyman Geek

imgur.com/a/W9uTN

that's two pane

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