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12:00 AM
there's something about the modern space opera mythos that SoaSE is missing, and I wonder if an expansion or SoaSE 2 will do it
everything is gated to being inside a single galaxy within the SoaSE universe, meaning that relative to a civilization that can travel across galaxies with ease, the TEC, Advent and Vasari are n00bs by comparison
the idea of having an elder race that has been to many galaxies is interesting and they should add that as a non-playable faction
 
Bob
@allquixotic Eh... that meshes with a lot of scifi universes though
 
@Bob I like how Stellaris does it. A lot.
 
@allquixotic or its just 'hard' or needs bigger ships
 
Bob
Intersystem travel is common, intergalactic travel is rather rare.
@allquixotic At the cost of neverending games (at least, if you only play a few hours a week) :P
 
No I was talking specifically about the elder empires part
 
Bob
12:02 AM
Ah.
 
They have "Fallen Empires" that start the game at an unimaginably high tech level and a moderate-sized, tightly knit territory; if you don't bother them or do something that will anger them, they'll leave you alone, and are fairly hard to interact with diplomatically until you are near late-game tech
 
@allquixotic kinda like the first ones in b5? ;p
 
but certain things you do in the game might lead them to attack you, like a certain fallen empire might try to conquer you for researching and enslaving AI
@JourneymanGeek yes :D
 
Bob
hm
 
or the third space aliens, but awakening mind controlling unfathomable evil would be a bad thing in a game.
 
12:04 AM
the concept of the fallen empires is neat: they used to be much larger and more powerful than they are, but time and political gridlock has led them to stop growing, get stuck on a certain technology level more or less, and become xenophobic and territorial
they're much more powerful than the upstart young civilizations but will go bash them in the head if they feel offended or angry... with limited quantities of extremely powerful capital ships
there's a real sense that these fallen empires are just sick and tired of going around and around with their rivals, and have simply decided to continue existing without any real sense of destiny or direction... just keeping it together as best they can
and it kind of reminds me of certain real world earth civilizations or countries ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic Reminds me a bit of the Mass Effect universe too, actually
 
12:47 AM
!!CAAT
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
my life has lost its purpose
Who the fuck starred me five times
 
@qwertyuiop and you didn't even talk about chmod
 
a) That's old, and b) That wasn't even me
The first rule of chmod is you don't talk about chmod
 
@qwertyuiop was too you
 
I'm so adding that and the other one as chat triggers once cavil gets decanted ;p
 
I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.
 
12:52 AM
!!baroo
 
Bob
O_O
 
Bob
works when I run it locally... weird
 
!!wat
 
Bob
Please stop trying to test him.
 
12:52 AM
'works'
 
Bob
I'm running him locally off an old script...
 
@Bob not working on the server?
 
Does it respond locally?
 
@allquixotic its been down a dayish
 
Bob
@allquixotic yea, I pinged you a couple times about it last night :P
pjs shat itself
 
12:53 AM
Oct 22 '15 at 16:55, by qasdfdsaq
Also, er... I accidentally did a chmod <something> / on it a year ago and have been afraid to restart it since.
Look! Different name!
Justcause we both have names starting with Q doesn't mean we're the same person
 
we're on to you.
 
Bob
Loaded stackexchange.com/users/login
Logging in...
NoSuchElement: An element could not be located on the page using the given search parameters.
    at elements("#email") - setValue.js:42:17
    at elements("#email") - isExisting.js:43:17
    at isExisting("#email") - waitForExist.js:31:21
@allquixotic You didn't happen to update pjs on the server? Or change anything else?
 
With your beady eyes, and teeth....
 
@Bob nup
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh, I played Grey Goo lastnight. The Beta (alien race) have unbelievably thick South African accents.
 
Bob
12:54 AM
Really really weird
 
but it needs to use jBrowserDriver anyway
jbd >>>> pjs
 
Bob
?
TIL jbrowserdriver
 
@MichaelFrank they do!
 
you can use it with webdriverio over the selenium protocol :)
 
Bob
@allquixotic Is that stable?
 
12:55 AM
I used it in production at work
 
Bob
nice
might be time for a rewrite then
 
Like stability matters with a bot that crashes a lot anyway.
 
Bob
I could get webdriverio on to version 4 too
 
no rewrite - you just replace the driver call from pjs to jbd
 
Bob
12:56 AM
it's currently fixed at 3.4 cause 4.x was incompatible and undocumented but they documented it at some point in the last few months
 
@MichaelFrank it dosen't crash often. It crashes catastrophically.
;p
0_0
 
Bob
@allquixotic yes rewrite (or at least fixup): I have some code there specifically to handle pjs weirdness
it differed from the original firefox code
 
Maybe I should punch myself while I'm still conscious and it doesn't hurt
 
@qwertyuiop now people are going to worry if you died of an OD if you vanish.
 
Seeing as six people seem to find that USEFUL/INTERESTING
 
12:57 AM
or an OD and sudden monitorface.
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't die of ODs
 
@qwertyuiop that's a once in a lifetime event, if ever
 
Optical drives can't touch me
 
Bob
@allquixotic Could you commit the current Cavil code from the server?
I did a couple minor updates there before but obviously can't push from your account
 
The only way an optical drive could possibly kill me is... well... I can't think of any.
 
Bob
12:58 AM
s'pose I could git diff and make the same changes locally
yea I'll do that
 
@qwertyuiop Not trying hard enough then!
 
@Bob I can still do that if you want
I really need to move cavil over to his new home on my new box though
and give you the new IP and such
 
Bob
@allquixotic I think I'm just using the hostname
there's a few upstream (Zirak) changes too
LOL Zirak is using vscode
> How did that get there
fun commit messages
 
I'm changing hostname though ._.
 
Bob
o.O
hm
I'll just work against your repo and ignore Zirak changes for now
 
1:03 AM
lol
 
5 mins ago, by qwertyuiop
The only way an optical drive could possibly kill me is... well... I can't think of any.
See above
 
Bob
ok, this commit log is confusing
@allquixotic You somehow added the webdriver runner before I commited all my dev changes
 
o.o'
 
Bob
probably timezone shenanigans
urk. jBrowserDriver is Java
ok, your server has Java installed
> Maven
!!no
 
I think you just run mvn package on the sources and it'll build a jar under target/
fairly simple, is Maven :)
IIRC it uses the webkit built into the JDK O_O which, is a bit newer than the Qt5 one used in pjs.
 
Bob
1:09 AM
@allquixotic Depends which JDK you have, I suppose
Someone needs to do one on top of Blink
java version "1.7.0_95"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.6.4) (7u95-2.6.4-0ubuntu0.14.04.1)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 24.95-b01, mixed mode)
 
Bob
Well, at least it should be Safari-compat?
 
11
A: Version of WebKit in JavaFX 8 WebView

jewelseaYou can determine the base version of WebKit being used in WebView by querying the user agent string of the WebView's engine. web.getEngine().getUserAgent() This shows a WebKit version of 537.44 for Java 8u5. This is the upstream version of WebKit used in the JavaFX implementation before an...

 
Bob
Anyway. I'll hack on it a bit locally first.
I still want to know why pjs suddenly started failing so weirdly :S
It almost seems like it fails to load the frame properly...
ah, crap
probably some CSP rubbish
but why would webdriver care about CSP?!?!
it's not running in the page context, is it?
 
webdriver doesn't, no
 
Bob
1:16 AM
> P3P:"CP="NOI CURa ADMa DEVa TAIa OUR BUS IND UNI COM NAV INT""
lol
wait
it can't even be CSP
because it works locally...
maybe SE is feeding a captcha?
@allquixotic Is it alright if I chuck JDK 1.8 on there?
I assume you aren't using the cavil server for anything else? :P
 
@Bob right, that's the point of containerization
@Bob I'll have to schedule a meeting to see if the CCB will put that project in the pipeline for next fiscal year
(of course it's alright)
 
Bob
lol
 
Change Control Board
 
Bob
1:28 AM
That does not look right.
AHA!
O_O
 
o.o
 
Bob
@allquixotic Do you know if jBrowserDriver does localStorage?
 
4
A: How to enable HTML5 local storage in javafx WebView

jewelseaHTML5 local storage functionality is not implemented for JavaFX 2.2 WebView so there is no way to enable that feature with that JavaFX version. HTML5 local storage is currently being implemented in WebView for Java 8, you can get a preview version to test out functionality as it is implemented. ...

 
Bob
@allquixotic Doesn't do much if the jBrowserDriver impl doesn't support it. I'm not seeing any options for setting a storage location.
 
1:43 AM
:/...
 
Bob
userDataDirectory
There's no reference to userdata in the jBrowserDriver repo
> If the value of this property is null, the WebEngine will attempt to store local user data in an automatically selected system-dependent user- and application-specific directory.
So it might still work, but not configurable.
 
> Java Version: 1.8.0_92-b14
JavaFX Version: 8.0.92-b14
OS: Mac OS X, x86_64
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/538.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) JavaFX/8.0 Safari/538.19
 
@JourneymanGeek Are you also a moderator for meta.stackoverflow?
 
he isn't
he doesn't even have an account on MSO, only MSE
 
Thanks!
 
1:57 AM
@Bob basically jbd running on 1.8.0_92 is running webkit 538.19 from Q1 2014 -_- not great, but probably better than Qt's shit
downloading jdk9 ea to see if they updated it :P
 
@JossieCalderon no
I'm a mod only on SU at the moment. I don't really use SO (and MSO mods are SO mods). I use MSE, but IIRC MSE mods are SE employees
 
Bob
@allquixotic I might just try to get pjs working again for now
 
 
1 hour later…
3:27 AM
I can neither confirm nor deny that my engineering summer camp is being funded by the NSA.
 
3:41 AM
@oldmud0 creepy
 
Bob
I just got lost in Westfield o.O
It links up with the QVB! What is this maze?!
 
Bob
Yay, vocals!
:P
 
This one has no vocals in it, it's unarguably electronic, but in a really unusual, weird way, and I love it:
Like, it's slow and got violins! And sounds like a toy box
 
3:57 AM
@djsmiley2k nice ! I saw then from a van. We weren't allowed to feed.
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy Huh, that's a nice one.
 
@Bob Which one
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy First one. I must've misclicked.
(I'm slowly going through them now that I've found my earphones :P)
 
@Bob Did you get the Batman references in the video? ;p
 
Bob
4:07 AM
Nup. Listening, not watching.
 
Anyway off to sleep now bai
 
Bob
'night
 
 
1 hour later…
5:35 AM
@Bob uhm fun
 
Bob
@HackToHell ?
 
concentrating solely on the power consumption side of the GPU techspot.com/review/1190-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-g1-gaming/… as we can see this new stuff does not display real major lesser power use, more like higher power still, even than the card i have. Still wandering the web for "when doing the Same Work" what uses less power?
 
Bob
I'm confused
@HackToHell Did you want me to join there? What's @allquixotic got to do with this?
 
noticing the r9 nano, and my 7970 thing are both displaying slightly less power consumption than the new 1000 stuff, in the How many frames can you get testing (pushing it). But the new stuff is fully 2X faster. videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
 
@bob aye ^
 
5:56 AM
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126049 (r9 nano) is 2X the "stream processors" as newegg.com/Product/…;-14-121-696--Product (7970) Which is where I am at now. the r9 nano will throttle hard, the founders 1080s will throttle, my 7970 has never throttled.
Someone needs to throttle the workload, like V-sync on doing a normal game (not crysis unoptomised) , with normal settiings, delivering a similar picture, then how much does the GPU use.
 
Bob
@HackToHell o.O
ugh
FB, Skype, Steam, Slack... removed WhatsApp a while back...
The ever-increasing list of different messengers :\
That's not good for battery life!
 
@Bob mind if I use bot overflow for some testing?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Go ahead.
Not like Cavil is there to complain :P
@JourneymanGeek Bonus points if you use aibobot :P
 
@Bob heh. I won't be doing it ;p
 
Bob
@HackToHell I'll have a closer look when I get home.
 
6:01 AM
@Bob It's pretty much dead now tbh
:D
jkd ran away
 
Bob
Bleh.
@HackToHell jkd?
 
Joker Dino
 
Bob
Oh.
Did Serious Dino replace him? :P
 
You removed Whatsapp o.0
Yeah, he got all moody ;D
 
Bob
@HackToHell I don't need it, I don't want it, I only had it (briefly) cause my dad wanted to keep in touch when he went overseas.
 
6:02 AM
Whatsapp has become this nag I can't remove
 
Bob
In fact I never installed it on my primary phone.
I don't like installing additional messaging services.
I hate installing messaging services tied to my phone number.
 
Mornin'!
 
Bob
Telegram is another one of those things I don't really want to have, but that depends how hard you try to convince me :P
At this point I'm leaning towards giving it a shot... maaaybe.
 
@Bob I tried it for the first time yesterday, and it's actually pretty cool...
It even has a bot that acts like tinder :P
 
Bob
oh yea I was supposed to fix Cavil
bleh, looks like a job for tomorrow
 
6:08 AM
@Bob just remove !!caat and it will probably work again :-)
(and lock it too :-)
 
Can a group/organisation have a stack exchange account? Or does it have to be operated by one person?
 
@Bob you were asking about oneliner and 4k? i.imgur.com/JnfjCBJ.png
 
Bob
o.O
@JourneymanGeek it used to be that room owners could only move to other rooms they own, iirc
They relaxed that at some point
 
@Rahul2001 No. "Subscriber certifies to Stack Exchange that Subscriber is an individual (i.e., not a corporate entity) at least 13 years of age. " from the ToS
 
yeah
this was a mess
actually my screen's usually not like this
 
6:16 AM
what happened to the bot ???
 
@Edity died.
 
HOW?
 
by unknown reason?
 
@Edity He overdosed on abuse
 
6:17 AM
well, it was a terminal case of lethal death
2
 
ouch.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek as opposed to the other kind of death? :P
 
ran into a battlestar
 
@Bob the non lethal limp wristed mostly non lethal 'death'?
 
No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
 
6:19 AM
certainly, that's for pansies.
 
No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!
 
I miss the bot, please fix him!
 
@DavidPostill he's passed on. He's toasted, he's an ex cylon he's pining for pacifica....
 
There, he moved!
No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!
 
ee'd fall off his raider if ee weren't nailed on...
 
6:20 AM
lliving out the rest of his life on caprica, as a bar maid
 
TODAY we remember @ChatBotJohnCavil
 
Oh. I never realised/remembered that sketch contained the line "Yeah, well it's not easy to pad these python files out to 200 lines, you know."
 
Bob
@Psycogeek The bot in JS is called Caprica Six :P
 
do any of you have john's vital innards (a.k.a github link)
 
Bob
I should watch Battlestar sometime
 
6:27 AM
R.I.P @ChatBotJohnCavil 2014-2016
 
@Bob I missed the last season
so probably should binge watch them at some point ;p
hm.
New kindle model. Twice the ram...
Not entirely sure what's the advantage of that
 
here lies john the bot,
in the ground sure to rot
once a great cylon
recycled as a pylon
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek No other changes?
 
@Bob cheaper, slightly simmer...
 
Also has physical buttons to change the page
And a battery case
 
6:36 AM
er...
Not the oasis
 
Oh, lol
 
6:56 AM
I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.
 
A miracle. @ChatBotJohnCavil has been resurrected!
 
PRAISE THE RESURRECTION SHP!
 
Bob
@DavidPostill No, still testing locally.
I've shifted my local instance over to Bot Overflow now. Should be quiet here.
This makes no sense o.O
why does it bug out on the server but not here?!
 
Bob
7:19 AM
...
$^%$^@!%$^#!@^%$#^%!$@#
@allquixotic Sync your server time!!!
 
Bob
-_-
Yup. Local repro by setting the clock forward 5 mins, then fixed by resetting the clock.
Server is currently just at 5 mins fast.
 
ah hah
that might break ssl yes?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek No, SSL (TLS) is fine.
6 hours ago, by Bob
user image
SE openid sets a cookie with 5 min expiry
*cough*
Probably to make sure you can't leave it on the page for more than 5 mins? *shrug*
 
Bob
7:28 AM
@JourneymanGeek tbh the idea to check the date was rather random. and I thought it might have been TLS at first but confirmed that SE redirects login to TLS always (not just openid but the main login page) and that one definitely loads
 
wierd ;p
 
Bob
I only checked the cookie just now, after figuring out it was time related -_-
anyway
once @allquixotic updates the time it'll be fine
I can't do that - that's a system kernel thing and root in the container isn't enough
Well, at least that answers the "what could possibly be different between the working local and spontaneously broken server?"
@JourneymanGeek I went down the whole path of proxying through the server just to make sure SE wasn't IP-blocking it -_-
 
@Bob Well done for figuring it out :) Maybe my comments about @ChatBotJohnCavil restarting earlier every day were in your subconscious.
 
morning
 
7:40 AM
the cylon is dead?
 
Bob
@DavidPostill Might have been! Though, this isn't the first time I've had to deal with clock drift... a couple servers at work drift quite severely :\
 
@Burgi on the way to being resurrected ...
 
@DavidPostill dosen't feel quite right
 
@Bob What causes that? Surely ntp is meant to fix exactly that problem?
 
nuked the post
 
7:42 AM
well until then i can live in peace
 
Bob
@DavidPostill ntp might not be installed.
I only have access to the LXD container Cavil runs in.
 
so....
 
Bob
Would need to ask @allquixotic what's going on on the host server.
 
VOTEY MCVOTEFACE!!!!
remember to go vote in the UK!
 
@Bob Ah. So it would need to running in the container?
 
Bob
7:43 AM
@DavidPostill Or, you mean the one at work? Yea.. I'm not responsible for those ones :P
 
@Bob Both ;)
 
VOTEY McEARLYFACE! VOTEY McOFTENFACE!
 
Bob
Oh yea, firewall restrictions at work block external NTP.
 
@Burgi is it a bank holiday?
 
no
its a normal day
 
7:44 AM
boo
 
Bob
@DavidPostill Nah, can't set the time from the container.
LXD containers share a kernel with the host. Time is a system/kernel thing.
I think, anyway.
 
@Bob Gotcha
 
democracy has to co-exist alongside capitalism
 
Bob
$ sudo ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org
23 Jun 07:50:40 ntpdate[25799]: step-systime: Operation not permitted
$ date --set "07:47:00"
date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted
Thu Jun 23 07:47:00 UTC 2016
$ date
Thu Jun 23 07:51:47 UTC 2016
 
chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/6619/agora is over there somewhere >>>>>
 
Bob
7:47 AM
@DavidPostill ^
Whoops, forgot to sudo the --set.
 
@DavidPostill all I asked is if it was a holiday ;p
 
Bob
Eh, same result.
 
@JourneymanGeek Wasn't aimed at you ;P
 
that is one empty room
 
maybe people have... agoraphobia.
(Its terrible, but I used to have an issue with that so... ;p)
 
Bob
7:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek That setup was just too perfect.
 
@Burgi Maybe people don't want to talk about politics - after all it is plastered everywhere else. I just saw a skybanner go past saying "Remain" ...
 
the only way to redeem it is if @JourneymanGeek missed his face while putting on the shades
true, i've said my bit and won't mention it again
 
@Burgi Never mind, I was just winding you up :)
 
wasn't working
 
7:53 AM
heh
 
@Burgi I'll try harder next time. Some people seem to succeed very easliy :)
@JourneymanGeek Cute!
 
my mother has done nothing but complain about the new publisher since i bought it for her yesterday
 
@Burgi That's gratitude for you :/
 
i know!
 
7:56 AM
@Burgi heh, I've typically have had better luck with my dad.
 
its not changed that much since 2007
 
Usually after his stuff's unusably borked and I lend him my 'upgraded' gear
He's on a 2007 era thinkpad with a SSD and windows 10, after I lent him my upgraded thinkpad and he was "wait, WHY IS YOUR MACHINE FAST?"
 
there used to be a tv show here called last of the summer wine and there was an old lady in it who was convinced that her husband moved all the gears in her car and that was the excuse for her bad driving
 
Bob
Speaking of. There's a machine here that runs terribly slowly and I have no idea why :S
 
@Burgi my machine was fast cause it was running a cheap SSD and a fresh, clean install of an OS ;p
 
Bob
7:59 AM
CPU utilisation is low (near-idle) -- it's a ~2009 Core 2 Quad
 
heh
 
and when I get my next laptop, my X220 is going to my dad ;p
 
Bob
RAM usage is... high, but manageable.
Disk utilisation is low.
So... why does it take seconds to perform any action?
Ugh. I hate problems like this.
 
it doesn't like you
 

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