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Journeyman Geek

12:19 AM

techreport.com/review/27909/…

Journeyman Geek

1:35 AM

:( Terry Prachett died

Michael Frank

2:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yea. :(

@JourneymanGeek This makes me happy I got a Samsung PRO 850.

allquixotic

2:21 AM

@MichaelFrank that's three people in this channel with that model of SSD :)

you, me, and DragonLord

I have two - 128GB and 1TB

Michael Frank

@allquixotic I think I got the 250GB model.

allquixotic

holy shit O_O store.x-plane.org/Airbus-A350-XWB-Advanced_p_348.html

that's super realistic and fully featured, omg... the download is 681 MB

for a plane only

that's after ~30GB of data in the base X-Plane already downloaded

Michael Frank

> Access to this page is blocked

> Category Games

:(

Journeyman Geek

I want one ;p
But not yet

@MichaelFrank: heh, even the normal/tlc 840 was no slouch

whohoo. Broke something. For Science.

allquixotic

2:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek the 850 Pro is super non-slouchy

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: Samsung basically has the market on enthusiast SSDs anyway ;p

Michael Frank

Advanced PowerShell 3.0. Part 1

►

lol... IE explodes during their presentation.

Bob

3:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek I really don't like the self-bricking behaviour :\

Why not just boot in read-only mode?

@JourneymanGeek I'm running an 840 EVO mSATA (250 GB) in my laptop :P

I'll probably move it across to the new one.

The Clevo will come with a 256 GB Plextor M6M mSATA, and has two slots.

Also adding a 750 GB 7200 RPM HDD.

Journeyman Geek

Planning on moving my 840 to my laptop if I get an 850

@Bob: raid 0!

Bob

Though... I'm beginning to wonder if I really need the HDD

And how much it'll affect battery life.

Journeyman Geek

Could always throttle it down?

Bob

Excessive parking is bad for HDDs, though...

Journeyman Geek

(Then again, between the A20P I ran a while, my spare linux box and the stream, I do decently on small hard drives other than gaming)

Bob

3:13 AM

Well... I could always leave the 840 in the old lappy

Journeyman Geek

man, can't wait for may

(Next hardware cycle for me starts ;p)

Also, superuser.com/questions/888846/… is someone trying to use a PC as a space heater?

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek I never got space heater...

Like, why not just call it a heater?

Journeyman Geek

cause it heats sppppaaaccceee

(I'm pretty sure it differenciates it from a water heater, or something with a fan)

Journeyman Geek

3:50 AM

ahh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_heater It heats a space/ LOGIC!

Journeyman Geek

5:17 AM

@allquixotic forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/…

Paul

@JourneymanGeek Well we all need one of those.

allquixotic

5:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek where do I buy it?!

Journeyman Geek

5:49 AM

@allquixotic: You can't? ;p

XKCD

6:59 AM

Thank you for teaching us how big our world is by sharing so many of your own.

Journeyman Geek

8:18 AM

heh, Everyone at work is sick.

bummi

10:04 AM

could we protect this question? superuser.com/q/155223/172747

Oliver Salzburg

10:30 AM

must. export. code. O____O

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Journeyman Geek

10:47 AM

I'm as sick as a dog. Well a sick dog. ;p

Bob

@OliverSalzburg That's... broken.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob You tried it already?

Bob

@OliverSalzburg No, just saying the existence of an (public and full) export queue is weird and dodgy :P

HackToHell

11:42 AM

@JourneymanGeek o0 that's baaad

allquixotic

12:50 PM

@JourneymanGeek woof :(

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DragonLord

1:27 PM

@allquixotic woof woof :)

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Hai

That Brazilian Guy

1:45 PM

@DragonLord ehlo

That Brazilian Guy

2:03 PM

Wow, my work network is so damn fast today!

Oliver Salzburg

@ThatBrazilianGuy :(

DragonLord

2:27 PM

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A: Do rackmount servers need to be in a rack?

A rackmount server need not be physically installed in a rack, but there are several important considerations when operating one at home. As far as I can tell, there is no regulatory or other requirement for a rackmount server to be installed in a rack. I've seen rackmount servers operated on a...

> (For comparison with a consumer part, a rackmount server running under load with good ventilation is typically about as loud as a reference AMD Radeon R9 290X graphics card with the fan running at 100%. Expect even more noise under suboptimal operating conditions.)

Is this an accurate comparison?

Bob

No. It's louder. Quite a lot louder.

(Making the assumption that said card is similar to the GTX 560 Ti I had... with the turbine fans...)

I'd expect a GPU's fans running at max to be medium (subjective) volume ~5m away.

They were setting up new rackmount servers down the other end of the office about a year ago. ~10-15m, and I would consider that loud (again, subjective).

Rackmount servers' fans are designed to move massive volumes of air with little to no consideration to volume.

Consider that consumer GPUs are typically used for gaming, where volume does matter.

DragonLord

An R9 290X at 100% fan is about 65 dBA.

> For comparison with a consumer part, a rackmount server running under a moderate load with good ventilation is typically about as loud as a reference AMD Radeon R9 290X graphics card with the fan running at 100%, which is about 65 dBA. Expect even more noise under suboptimal operating conditions, potentially up to 75–80 dBA.

More accurate?

Bob

=> serverfault.com/questions/613500/…

70 sounds about right

remember that's a logarithmic scale - 70 is twice as loud as 60

DragonLord

@Bob Actually 10 times as loud by absolute comparison

Updated to add "at least":

> For comparison with a consumer part, a rackmount server running under a moderate load with good ventilation is typically at least as loud as a reference AMD Radeon R9 290X graphics card with the fan running at 100%, which is about 65 dBA. Expect even more noise under suboptimal operating conditions, potentially up to 75–80 dBA.

Bob

the other thing is, rackmount servers are not optimised for low volumes, normally

some variants are

some have configurable fan controls too

DragonLord

2:41 PM

Newer ones are better from what I know

Bob

but the default usually leaves it running fast and loud

@DragonLord there isn't too much concern about fan volume with the typical environments rackmount servers operate in

fairly often adjustable though

DragonLord

They're designed to be operated in a clean-air datacenter where noise is a total non-concern, not a home office where noise must be limited

That Brazilian Guy

@OliverSalzburg TBH it was taken yesterday; speeds were so bad we all just gave up and went out to eat sushi. Today it's a little less worse, feels like dial-up

Bob

=> youtube.com/watch?v=FFu4vLai7Hc looks like this peaks at 85 (probably max), but 70 is more typical (not adjusted for A)

it might throttle down a little when idling, depending on the config

so, yea, 75-80 is a reasonable peak under load

DragonLord

You can hit 70-75 dBA with multiple R9 290X cards in CrossFire.

allquixotic

2:48 PM

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Q: How to access full Adobe Acrobat AcroExch COM API from Internet Explorer embedded object?

I have the following situation: Internet Explorer 9 on Windows 7 SP1 32-bit Adobe Acrobat Professional version 10 A webpage with code like this: <object data="foo.pdf" src="foo.pdf"> Given that: The default PDF reader on the system is Adobe Acrobat Adobe Reader's browser plugin is suppress...

Bob

@DragonLord I happen to sit maybe 5m from the door to our server room now... the fans are pretty loud whenever someone opens that door :P

allquixotic

@DragonLord I have two R9 280X in CrossFire, and they spin up the fans to 50-65% after prolonged play in a hot room when playing high-end games like Dragon Age Inquisition or Star Citizen, but they never redline, so the noise isn't that noticeable

DragonLord

The reference R9 290X is known to be very, very loud at 100%

allquixotic

@Bob I'd bet that an Atom server with an SSD is pretty damn quiet :D

DragonLord

Out of the box, they are not configured to operate at 100%, more like 40%

Bob

2:50 PM

> The problem is that if I save it to disk and re-open it in Acrobat, that file cannot be used to save and submit the form field data to the web server, as far as I know. (Or can it?)

DragonLord

55% under load in Uber mode, which allows a fan speed override all the way up to 100%

Bob

Depending on how it's designed? Potentially, yes.

allquixotic

@Bob Hmm. How?

O_O

could I use IE itself to download a copy of the PDF (it would pass all the cookies, the UA, etc., so the download would work), save it to a temp file, modify it with AcroExch.PDDoc, then use AxAcroPDFLib.AxAcroPDF.LoadFile, then click the save button in IE?

Bob

Not a save button in IE.

Acrobat (and Reader) can submit forms.

allquixotic

the save button in IE is a custom <input type="submit"> button with JS attached that needs to be manually "clicked" as part of the test

so what I'm saying is I want IE to submit the form

but if the AxAcroPDF.LoadFile API doesn't reload the page, that should work!

open webpage -> download PDF -> modify PDF -> LoadFile -> click button

Bob

2:55 PM

> a button on the webpage (using IE automation) to serialize the form fields to XML

:\

I thought you were using the Adobe forms submission stuff.

FormsCentral, IIRC

adobe.com/au/products/acrobat/…

allquixotic

I don't know what the backend uses, but the frontend has XML in a div that appears to be some kind of "PDF Bridge" based on the comment

Yisela

3:29 PM

Hi guys, anyone around? We are considering, at GD.SE, easing the migration of questions that are about how to make X software do Y thing (we are actually discussing if they belong at all in our site). Here's the meta discussion. I would like to know what you think about these questions, and how you'd feel about having more of them migrated to your site.

Oliver Salzburg

@Yisela Personally, I'd welcome questions like that

Yisela

@OliverSalzburg that's good to hear!

we took these questions in while in beta, because we really needed the traffic, but now they are growing and growing and we are a little divided on the subject

Matt

@OliverSalzburg Id say lets migrate it then!

use that question as a test item..

and greetings rooters

Oliver Salzburg

I don't see why you want to get rid of these questions though. Seems like a well-maintained collection of low-skill Q&As could prevent the questions from being re-asked

Also you'd have something to close dupes against

Especially if certain types of "simple" questions keep coming up, they could be a great vehicle to draw people into the site (or have it noticed in the first place)

Yisela

well, we've had so many, they should all be answered by now. We created some go-to questions that we use to redirect new users, but the background issue is, really: "Are these on-topic?"

Oliver Salzburg

3:40 PM

We recently had a similar topic come up on meta IIRC

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Q: Basic shell question migrated to SuperUser?

So this question sudo command won't run from script was migrated to SuperUser. The question is really basic: why isn't my command in my path when I run it with sudo? This accepted answer Preferred location for "shell scripting" questions says "consider who is asking the question." This makes se...

discussion

Yisela

taking a look

well, first line already gives me more to think about: power users vs new users

Oliver Salzburg

From my personal experience, I recently found the solution to a basic question of mine on GD. Can't find the specific one, but it was a dupe of graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8082/…

Yisela

but that would be on topic for you too, right?

Oliver Salzburg

@Yisela I'm pretty sure, yeah

Yisela

not trying to find reasons to migrate! just observing. We overlap with so many sites, if we got too picky we would end up with nothing :)

allquixotic

3:45 PM

superuser has sometimes a too wide topicality range because we were one of the first sites on the network

when we were uncertain if there would be umpteen sites back in the past, we allowed almost anything computery, even stuff that's on-topic for SO/SF

graphics are computery so we even allowed questions that would be good fit for your site

Oliver Salzburg

Generally, I like "simple" questions as they are usually helpful to a very wide audience. The easier the question, the higher the score

allquixotic

it's hard to change the topicality to be more specific after we've previously allowed anything, though

Yisela

superuser thrives in the chaos, I honestly don't know how you do it, it's really admirable

@allquixotic same thing happens to us

allquixotic

sometimes SU is the dumping ground for questions that other sites don't want -- as long as those questions are good questions, I'm not sure I really care though ;p

the problem we had for ages was SO was dumping us horrible questions

Yisela

@OliverSalzburg Also completely agree, as a user frequently looking for (easy, quick) answers. However with graphic design you don't normally have one solution - we get long, super detailed and slightly subjective answers

allquixotic

3:49 PM

@Yisela sounds like the kind of answer I like to write :P

Yisela

@allquixotic me too :D

but it's not as lineal, lots of dupes with degrees of variation

allquixotic

we solve our problems here by barking at them until they surrender, apparently (see star wall)

Yisela

hahaha

Oliver Salzburg

@Yisela In any case, please open a question on [metasu] before you start sending an unusual amount of questions our way. Just so non-chat users have a chance to contribute to the discussion as well :)

Yisela

I was going to say I'm glad I wasn't barked at, but saying that could prompt it

Oliver Salzburg

3:51 PM

what is the friggin shorthand for meta.su?

Meta Super User

Oh!

Yisela

@OliverSalzburg of course! we have just began to discuss this again

Oliver Salzburg

Cool :)

Yisela

low quality (with very little effort) questions should be politely nuked everywhere :)

rephrase: politely put on hold

allquixotic

I think we try to be a fairly nice community, so we would tend towards being optimistic and trusting when another community proposes forking a bunch of questions over on us -- we would only get annoyed later, in the unusual event that said community might start heaping bad questions on our plate

like, we were happy to take migrations from SO (and still are), but when those migrations were bad up to a significant percentage, we had to talk about it with them

Yisela

Yep. We have been migrating, but I think we've been fairly decent

thanks for your replies, this helps a lot

allquixotic

4:03 PM

@Bob Can I get an upboat on my SO q to bump it to the frontpage for another 0.323 ms? It's for work, so I kinda... :S

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Q: How to access full Adobe Acrobat AcroExch COM API from Internet Explorer embedded object?

I have the following situation: Internet Explorer 9 on Windows 7 SP1 32-bit Adobe Acrobat Professional version 10 A webpage with code like this: <object data="foo.pdf" src="foo.pdf"> Given that: The default PDF reader on the system is Adobe Acrobat Adobe Reader's browser plugin is suppress...

internet-explorer com ui-automation acrobat

a coworker thinks you can do something with the hwnd to get at the PDDoc, but I'm skeptical

Bob

@allquixotic there ya go

does an upvote really bring it up?

allquixotic

@Bob Yes.

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Q: Upvoting of a question should bump it to the front page

When I upvote a question I do so because I think it's a good question. Other people would benefit from seeing the question or maybe be able to add important answers. To increase exposure of upvoted questions, I suppose that upvotes should bump a question to the top of the front page. This would ...

feature-request status-completed voting frontpage

Bob

@allquixotic so a not-really-but-kinda

I normally sit on the active tab, not the actual front page :P

allquixotic

@Bob the front page is the hot tab IIRC

a lot of users sit there

what is with Acrobat-related help forums mangling "document" into "doent"?

I get why, but it's stupid substring parsing like Yahoo's buttbuttination

it's annoying

> I have looked at the doentation

justskins.com/forums/how-do-i-save-99607.html

Bob

just went from 700+ tabs to 314

mem usage has not gone down at all

I swear FF is actually slower now

allquixotic

4:14 PM

:/

it's probably trying to come to grips with the number of plugins and scripts

Bob

@allquixotic not many of those

and they're synced across desktop and laptop, while only desktop has this massive memory leak

Bob

4:37 PM

huh.

going through old tabs, I really don't see why this was closed/deleted => superuser.com/questions/821581/…

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it's a decent enough question with a great answer

and the other answers are on point enough that it's really a stretch to call it too broad

DragonLord

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Q: Can devices connected to a Wi-Fi router communicate with devices connected to an associated Wi-Fi repeater?

If I connect a Wi-Fi repeater to my existing network, can devices connected to the original router connect to devices connected to the repeater? For example, if my laptop is on the router, can I see a printer on the repeater network. I’m using Windows mainly, but I also use Linux from time to ti...

ubuntu wireless-networking repeater

A repeater is really nothing more than a wireless network switch.

Bob

s/switch/hub/

well, depends on the repeater type... most I've seen are the dumb ones

DragonLord

Mine (NETGEAR WN2000RPTv3) is a switch

It's not a dumb retransmitter of the same signal, it transmits a new AP

It's really still nothing more than a layer 2 switch, though.

Not seen a layer 1 repeater, though.

So if I were to go the cheap route and use a regular router that I already have as a repeater, would it work the same way? Or should I go with the repeater? — Kflyng 7 mins ago

It would work the same way. The router is a layer 3 device (and may operate on higher layers), but most can act as a layer 2 switch/bridge just like a repeater, disregarding higher layers of the OSI stack. — DragonLord 1 min ago

Am I right?

allquixotic

5:33 PM

@DragonLord yeah, you can configure a router to just be a layer 2 switch in most cases, unless they intentionally hide advanced features from the user in the config pages

Bob

5:54 PM

Down to 14 tabs, memory usage still ridiculous.

Explicit allocations are better, but they only account for ~70%

Journeyman Geek

7:54 PM

woof

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Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Hello

Journeyman Geek

I'm up early but I left work 2 hours early, had dinner at 6 and went to sleep ;p

Boris_yo

Let's say I want to login to my bank account and I have 1 hotspot that I know is eavesdropping on me. But I have my smartphone on me with mobile data package. Would it be safe to use smartphone just to login to bank account but then immediately switch to hotspot (which is faster) to continue surfing?

Since I am past login, they won't be able to sniff password?

Journeyman Geek

you should get logged out if that happens

Boris_yo

And if it doesn't?

Journeyman Geek

7:59 PM

its insecure

Boris_yo

I have been changing IPs in the middle when used different accounts and all was good.

Like Gmail as well. It was unable to detect IP change after I refreshed.

DragonLord