Root Access

Journeyman Geek

12:05 AM

This is one of those mornings

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek I'm having one of those days where you just sit at the computer and stare at nothing. :P

Journeyman Geek

12:20 AM

@MichaelFrank pretty much

Michael Frank

12:39 AM

hmm.. where does `file:\` default to?

HackToHell

1:08 AM

xkcd.com/442

Michael Frank

1:36 AM

ugh trying to remove files from a local profile of a user that I have no network connectivity to...

Also, they're in Australia.

"can you try this script?"

"Oh, didn't work? Hm... try this one?"

w00t! Got it. :D

nhinkle

2:13 AM

So I'm at a hack night thing

It's actually quite interesting

We're learning about XSS and CSRF

allquixotic

2:47 AM

@nhinkle good things to learn about; I found both on the job ;p

Michael Frank

uuuugh... either someone deleted this software package from SCCM, or someone wasn't following convention when they created the AD group name. >:(

allquixotic

3:19 AM

>:)

Bob

@nhinkle @Hennes introduced me to this one:

amazon.com/Deadly-Sins-Software-Security-Programming/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

sin number 1: code bloat - see? we went from 19-24

Michael Frank

3:35 AM

0

Q: Script for temporarily disabling internet connection

I want to block internet connection to me for about 8 hours or so on my Linux machine. I have no will power, so simple call for ifconfig down ifconfig up or similar commands doesn't apply to me, because I "know" how to bypass it. I'm expecting that this algorithm will work Disable internet...

Bob

@MichaelFrank What was that quote? "You're trying to solve a people problem with a technical solution."

Michael Frank

@Bob If that wasn't the exact quote, it still works.

nhinkle

4:13 AM

Apparently I was the only one who successfully hacked the "hard" challenge

166.78.6.13 <-- IDK how long it'll be up but feel free to give it a try

Bob

4:24 AM

eh, I'll try when I get to a computer

doing this on my phone is a bit much :P

nhinkle

lol

Michael Frank

Hmm... that would be a decent idea for a competition. Whoever has complete control of this system by the end of the week/month/year wins $MONEY.

i have tried this and nothing is happening. maybe theHDD is dad — Paul 1 min ago

Poor dad :<

Bob

ok, laptop + phone tethering will have to do

...the theme is really annoying

nhinkle

@Bob the event was held in their offices... there were allll kinds of star wars paraphernalia on the walls

If anyone manages to make inserts work let me know!

Bob

I can't tell if my connectivity issues are because I'm on mobile or I'm failing

well that was easy

@nhinkle is it just 'yay you did it' or are you supposed to submit and/or get a different message? :P

nhinkle

4:37 AM

@Bob which one?

Bob

@nhinkle 1, 2....

"DOM manipulation"? bah! just edit the POST and resend!

nhinkle

@Bob lol that's what I did. tamperdata

@Bob you should see things dumped out if you successfully SQL inject

Bob

@nhinkle tamperdata? bah! just use the built-in debugging tools!

Michael Frank

doesn't understand any of that...

okay.jpg

nhinkle

e.g. 166.78.6.13/challenge1.php?id=45%20OR%201=1

ChatBot John Cavil

4:39 AM

Bob

@nhinkle yea, I know that

nhinkle

There's no "good job" message or anything. You just go on to the next one. It's a very simple setup.

Bob

question is, is it just a 'yay, I know I did it!' or do you actually see some 'congrats' page or submit results anywhere? :P

stuff along these lines that I did before were the latter

nhinkle

Nope. It was for an in-person meetup. Most of the people there had no idea about any of this so it was primarily a demo.

Bob

hm

I'm failing the second one

sadface.jpg

there, done

nhinkle

4:51 AM

That one took me surprisingly long... forgot about the %' on the end.

Bob

> You happen to know Darth Vadar loves kittens. Create an HTML page about kittens (on your local computer for now) that if anyone visits (while logged into the msging system) will update their email address (in the msging system) so you can steal their account. Then all you'd need to do is email Vadar and let him know about this great new webpage you found. He can't notice that you're hacking him. May the CSRF force be with you.

O_O

nhinkle

That one was awfully explained and there's no actual "aha you did it" moment.

Bob

I have no idea what it wants me to do

...might as well do 3 first

nhinkle

Basically the point is to make your own page with an iframe that goes to that page and uses the GET parameter to reset their email address. The point is to demonstrate that if you don't check for CSRF then another page could forge a request to a site you're already logged into, and if it can do things via get parameters, cause trouble.

Bob

... 3 is just too easy

@nhinkle yea, well, the whole "email Vader" part is... noideawhatimdoing.jpg

nhinkle

4:55 AM

I know right? I was like "um this is the hard one? I can write ANYTHING!"

4 was much harder IMO

Bob

"seeded MD5 which everyone knows is impossible to crack" wat

nhinkle

!!sarcasm

ChatBot John Cavil

@nhinkle That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

nhinkle

(We need a sarcasm sign command)

Bob

"seeded md5" wat

nhinkle

4:56 AM

you know, seeding a hash?

Bob

...no?

salting, yea, but what the fuck is seeding?

you seed PRNGs

nhinkle

Ah, right. Salt.

Bob

password45 k

howto'crack'md5101: google search for it :P

nhinkle

And yet, a bunch of people were like "whoaaaa"

Bob

anyway, auth cookies should never contain credentials

Journeyman Geek

5:26 AM

Bob

5:39 AM

O_O

some people have too much spare time

►

@JourneymanGeek and you thought an 8088 was special :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

What the hell is that?

Its beautiful ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek an oscilloscope? :P

analog oscilloscope

I have no idea how they do that.

Journeyman Geek

Why would that be hard to understand?

Bob

then there's the TI-84 one

Journeyman Geek

electron beam's analog, as is deflection

Bob

5:46 AM

...as I was saying, far too much spare time O_O

►

@JourneymanGeek yes, but no idea how you'd draw something. the timing... o.O

Journeyman Geek

That's what the chip probably is for

you control horizontal sweep at a fixed time, and the signal controls vertical

Its impressive but 70s knowledge ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I understand the concept, but the execution is crazy

this is far more than you'd be able to do in the 70s

without an even crazier amount of resources and/or time, anyway

Journeyman Geek

that signal generator is probably doing most of the work

Bob

the main difficulty ~ four decades ago would be storing the whole video

more recently? eh, still a pain in the arse to get the timings right

oh wow, the coordination in the stop-motion one...

Journeyman Geek

6:32 AM

Oo

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

Stop motion?

And Meh stuck in a queue at daiso

Bob

►

@JourneymanGeek lol. whatcha buying?

Journeyman Geek

6:48 AM

MDF sheets brush on superglue, steel book ends

Bob

@JourneymanGeek excellent coordination, though, to get it so smooth

especialy when the camera's tilting/panning/rolling

Journeyman Geek

Also picked up an actual switch

Not at daiso tho

Bob

wait, I thought you were commenting on the video... whoops

...there's brush on superglue?

I'd expect that more from the gummy/filler types of glue

superglue is a bit thin for brushes to be worth it...

Journeyman Geek

Lol. This works awesome

Journeyman Geek

7:29 AM

Right, unmanaged switch installed instead of mystery meat router

Journeyman Geek

7:40 AM

eep. I forgot to get screenwipes and canned air

Boris_yo

7:51 AM

@Mokubai Not only marketing. Customer and technical service.

Oliver Salzburg

8:10 AM

> Thanks for ordering from DX.com.

We’re writing to inform you that the package … from your order … has failed to pass the airline security check as it contains lithium batteries/knives or products that contain liquid which are now under extra scrutiny in world air cargo services.

We therefore have switched it to another delivery channel to ensure the order is sent to you as soon as possible.

…I ordered micro USB cables

Journeyman Geek

8:26 AM

0_0

Oliver Salzburg

8:48 AM

> …however I am currently in Microsoft 2010

I prefer Microsoft XP

Journeyman Geek

;p

@OliverSalzburg: I wouldn't be suprised if DX is batching up small items and shipping them together for reposting.

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's what a coworker suggested as well

Journeyman Geek

(I've had shipments sent through swedish post... and one through malaysian post that took inordinately long)

Journeyman Geek

9:15 AM

ooh, that sucked

new switch came with a cd. none of my systems have drives. Shared system DVD drive seems to not work (i'll check it later), grabbed my brother's old laptop, which has no OS installed....

too lazy to get the other laptop, so I ended up just booting siltaz live and checking it. #geekPersonProblems

Oliver Salzburg

9:58 AM

New split diff view on GitHub \o/

Sathya

This question appears to be off-topic because it is about PLZ-SEND-ME-THE-CODEZ — Sathya ♦ 2 hours ago

Oliver Salzburg

lol

Journeyman Geek

10:59 AM

which reminds me

@Sathya: sigh

Journeyman Geek

11:26 AM

superuser.com/questions/807119/recovery-of-data-from-hard-disk kinda not quite happy with some of the comments with this question, even if he's mostly right

Alejandra Moreno

11:49 AM

hi!

Sathya

hi

Journeyman Geek

Lo!

Jithin Jose

12:08 PM

lol

Journeyman Geek

heh. I just realised that my old router really is falling over from old age

Oliver Salzburg

12:28 PM

Why you asking us what you are capable of? We have no way to know your capabilities. — David Schwartz 4 hours ago

What a moronic comment

Journeyman Geek

12:40 PM

both the other comments are.

Question kinda sucks too

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I already deleted a couple

Alejandra Moreno

I just read downvotes cost reputation, its that true?

Oliver Salzburg

12:59 PM

@AlejandraMoreno On answers, yes

Alejandra Moreno

Does any have problems with the new firefox? (31) freezen like hell..

Journeyman Geek

@AlejandraMoreno on answers. But if its really bad, it gets deleted and you get it back

Nope. So far so good

Alejandra Moreno

1:14 PM

Any one have idea why in windows server or windows desktop in active directory uses the combination of control + alt + del?

to starts a session

GFSE

gemsfromstackexchange: Well, it’s certainly not an awesome answer.

posted on September 04, 2014

Well, it’s certainly not an awesome answer.

Alejandra Moreno

lol

Oliver Salzburg

Control-Alt-Delete

Control-Alt-Delete (often abbreviated to Ctrl+Alt+Del, also known as the "three-finger salute") is a computer keyboard command on IBM PC compatible computers, invoked by pressing the Delete key while holding the Control and Alt keys: Ctrl+Alt+Delete. The function of the key combination differs depending on the context but it generally interrupts or facilitates interrupting a function. For instance, in pre-boot environment (before an operating system starts) or in DOS, Windows 3.0 and earlier version of Windows or OS/2, the key combination reboots the computer. Starting with Windows 3.1, the command...

Alejandra Moreno

cool, thanks.

Ice Boy

2:11 PM

hi

Journeyman Geek

hello

headesk

Apparently I forgot to put the rubber covers on the hard drive I just reinstalled on the old thinkpad r60.

I thought everything was going nearly too well

@AlejandraMoreno: I'm on firefox 32 btw. Maybe firefox 31 was bad enough that they replaced it.

Alejandra Moreno

yup i can see the update

Ice Boy

my computer freezes with mathjax :(

Journeyman Geek

@IceBoy: whole computer or just the browser? o0

Ice Boy

@JourneymanGeek the pointer will not move

and when I tap the touch pad it makes a "beep" sound

Journeyman Geek

2:17 PM

(I have no idea about this but if I did..., I'd ask...)

where are you using matjax, what browser, what os, what site?

Ice Boy

Math.SE

chrome

windows

Journeyman Geek

hmm...

Maybe there's something in the event viewer around that time?

Ice Boy

how can I check?

Journeyman Geek

on more modern systems, just hit the win-key and search for event viewer?

Ice Boy

I guess I'm on a 10 year old dinosaur.

Journeyman Geek

2:24 PM

hm

that might do it

At this point though, with the event viewer information in hand, you have enough for a question ;)

Ice Boy

@JourneymanGeek Ok, thanks for the help :)

Journeyman Geek

@IceBoy: In your shoes I'd try a liveusb, with some lighter version of linux, just to see how it works, I'd add

Oliver Salzburg

O_______o

Journeyman Geek

lol

@OliverSalzburg: Yanno, I'm tempted to propose setting one weekend say, at the end of this month, and just flood the front page

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I always keep a cleanup tab open and do batches of 5 whenever I'm compiling

But, yeah, I like the idea

Journeyman Geek

2:32 PM

Ya, but the batches of 5 is too slow

Alejandra Moreno

thats are a good tags indeed

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek The file+folder cleanup is pretty huge indeed

But we're close to the end

Journeyman Geek

@AlejandraMoreno: actually, they are horrid.

Alejandra Moreno

sarcasm flies away.

allquixotic

hii

Alejandra Moreno

2:36 PM

:(

?

just the ava lol

oh

@allquixotic: ahh. You need to emphasise the sarcasm sometimes ;p

allquixotic

what sarcasm? O.o

Alejandra Moreno

2:39 PM

i think he missclick

Journeyman Geek

0

Q: Should we be having periodic, full throttle cleanups?

Right now, we have a whole load of tags we need to kill off, but its an uphill struggle. We try not to flood the front page (and with awesome mod powers, we could actually do that), but honestly, its a pain in the rear. This is what I want to propose. Over one weekend, at most every two mont...

discussion tags

lol

@AlejandraMoreno: ahh. You need to emphasise the sarcasm sometimes ;p

even

@allquixotic: I'm used to @al ing you, I'm also apparently @al when I want to ping @AlejandraMoreno or I miss the e when typing or something

allquixotic

lol

Journeyman Geek

0_0

so, there's this wierd little local store I've been meaning to check out...

houseofmouse.com.sg

is this web 1.0, or what? ;p

Alejandra Moreno

i like the css

totally 90's

.sg?

That Brazilian Guy

Silicon Graphics

Journeyman Geek

2:44 PM

singapore

I'm from there ;p

Alejandra Moreno

are you from silicon graphics? lol

jk

Journeyman Geek

(that shop has hand written cardboard signs)

@AlejandraMoreno: I own one!

allquixotic

JMG knows that graphics make fun things to chase on the screen with his paws and bark at, that's about it

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Do they sell floppy disks? On the "newest stuff" shelf?

Alejandra Moreno

should be really late, what time is there?

must*

Journeyman Geek

2:45 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy: USB tape dispensers ._.

@AlejandraMoreno: almost 11

That Brazilian Guy

USB whats?

allquixotic

USB tape dispensers... as in... power-assisted duct tape?

Journeyman Geek

houseofmouse.com.sg/Accessories1.htm

I have NO idea

That Brazilian Guy

It's USB-powered, so it's all modern and fancy

Alejandra Moreno

like the website

allquixotic

2:46 PM

can I have a USB-powered car with 25 mile long USB cables?

That Brazilian Guy

Sure. It'll be 5V-powered, so it will run reeeeeeeeeally slow.

allquixotic

something like 4000 USB 3.0 cables should provide enough juice

That Brazilian Guy

4,000 25 mile long USB 3.0 cables. all over the city... AKA @allquixotic's personal tram system.

allquixotic

meh, who's counting?

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

2:48 PM

they should just build catenary cables over the highways and do electric cars that way.

Journeyman Geek

@AlejandraMoreno: The shop is like a physical version of the website ;p

allquixotic

regular gas engine if you need to go off-road.

Journeyman Geek

but well. I'm a sucker for the wierd ;p

allquixotic

!! s/ie/ei/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic but well. I'm a sucker for the weird ;p (source)

That Brazilian Guy

2:49 PM

They should just ressurrect Tesla and have him build that huge electricity antenna powered by ionosphere that serves free electricity

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: they kinda do that with trains

allquixotic

I'm going to bash you over the head with that s until you get it right

That Brazilian non-native English speaker guy enthusiastically adopts my corrections :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

I'm not a native speaker either.

No one believes me tho

That Brazilian Guy

Well, I'm native. And I'm a speaker. Just from a different point of reference ;P

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek like my answer to your meta Q? :P

Journeyman Geek

2:53 PM

ya ;p

I probably want/need a ton of upvotes tho ;p

allquixotic

for balance we probably need an answer with a rage comic indicating disapproval, and one with okay.png

Journeyman Geek

;p

I'm sure someone will disagree

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek I disagree with what you just said.

Journeyman Geek

see?

If one can toucan.

allquixotic

added another answer

Journeyman Geek

2:58 PM

;p

That Brazilian Guy

4

Journeyman Geek

(just for context meta.superuser.com/q/6801/10165 it was thrown vegetables that time)

allquixotic

updated answer again :D

I'm going to shrink the images.

a lot.

Journeyman Geek

;p

good idea

That Brazilian Guy

3:33 PM

"Two can play at that game" vs. "two can play that game"

which one is correct?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy the latter sounds more natural, but I don't think the first one is especially wrong

there, made the images more reasonable size

That Brazilian Guy

3:53 PM

I really, really wish I could find out who decided that on every course on our Moodle instance, there's a single forum topic where every discussion is held.

Ice Boy

@ThatBrazilianGuy both are correct

"Two can play at that game" is much more specific

allquixotic

o_O "XML Bombs" ... that sounds curious... it's apparently a security issue. :|

Darth Android

hahah yes

allquixotic

was just looking at POI.

prospects of POI on Ruby not good unless using JRuby

and moving from MRI to JRuby with tons of native dependencies is not easy

Darth Android

it's basically using custom XML entities to craft a small document that will cause the parser to choke and run out of memory

HackToHell

4:04 PM

Bleh stupid windows phone, doesn't allow .vcf files to be imported.

Darth Android

Pseudocode would be define 1 = 1 1; evaluate 1;

allquixotic

figured as much

allquixotic

4:58 PM

thedailywtf.com/Comments/…

> the so-called "clbuttic" effects of dumbly replacing substrings with other strings.

Like our very 'smart' web proxy. We recently moved to using Maven, but web applications kept failing to build. And why? Because Netbeans uses the maven-dependency-analyzer plugin, which the proxy refused to download. Took me a while to recognise the 'naughty' word.

that's SO our proxy lol

Bob

@allquixotic I think I see the former more often... (cc @ThatBrazilianGuy)

=> idioms.thefreedictionary.com/two+can+play+at+that+game / encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/two+can+play+that+game

former comes up as an idiom, latter as a movie name

ditto here => dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/…

@JourneymanGeek looks like every computing store site I've seen :\

also, the two 'promotional' items on the front are expensive

@OliverSalzburg Ah, yes, the good ol' lithium USB cables

4

Site designs from the past: msy.com.au/home.php, arc.com.au/pub.php

this one went through a several-year-long redesign recently and actually looks modern o.O

Bob

6:02 PM

@allquixotic Hey, your next phone might be an Xperia! :P trustedreviews.com/news/…

> Sony: 2K smartphone screens are not worth the battery compromise

That Brazilian Guy

6:58 PM

I'm trying to capture HTTPS on wireshark: wiki.wireshark.org/SSL

Emphasys on trying

Bob

shrug I prefer Fiddler

That Brazilian Guy

Not for linux =/

23

Q: Is there a standard alternative to Fiddler (Fiddler2) for Linux?

Possible Duplicate: Linux-alternative to Fiddler2 I am aware this question has been asked before, but that was almost a year ago and I was wondering if maybe some thing new is available. I would like to be able to have most of the functionality of Fiddler2 in Linux (I prefer Linux for...

linux http fiddler httpfox charles

85

Q: Linux-alternative to Fiddler2

I have used Fiddler2 with great results on windows before, but now I have moved to using linux for development. The problem I have, is that I have not been able to find a decent replacement for Fiddler2 that will run on linux. I have tried Wireshark, but it is perhaps too generic in what it does...

linux proxy fiddler

Althoug maybe I am doing the "chocolate covered banana" here

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Stick it on a Windows machine and use it as a proxy over the network?

What exactly are you trying to do?

That Brazilian Guy

I don't really need to analyze https traffic, I need to find out why some particular code stopped running

That's a bit of a long story. I'll try to be brief.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Be more specific?

If you're doing anything HTTP, use Fiddler or similar where possible.

There's a mono/Linux build anyway => fiddler.wikidot.com/mono

That Brazilian Guy

7:04 PM

There's two web-based services I need to manually copy data from-into. I developed a PHP script to automate this. I'm no programmer so it is ugly code, but "at least it works" (TM). Or used to.

As there's no API in each system, so my custom script used curl to perform web scraping

But now someone activated CAS rubycas.github.io

And it stopped working

I don't even know exactly what CAS is

Bob

SSO? joy.

That Brazilian Guy

Bob

SAML has about had me tearing my hair out

That Brazilian Guy

In step 2 it redirects to the SSO login page

My script built with sweat, tears and noobishness can't handle it

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy you're gonna need cookie support

and maybe js support

That Brazilian Guy

7:10 PM

@Bob curl has cookie support, it worked fine before.

Bob

...really, unless you want to pull apart the auth token mechanism, do something like @allquixotic did with Cavil and use Selenium

SSO is a bitch

That Brazilian Guy

!!wiki Selenium

ChatBot John Cavil

Selenium

Selenium is a chemical element with symbol Se and atomic number 34. It is a nonmetal with properties that are intermediate between those of its periodic table column-adjacent chalcogen elements sulfur and tellurium. It rarely occurs in its elemental state in nature, or as pure ore compounds. Selenium (Greek σελήνη selene meaning "Moon") was discovered in 1817 by Jöns Jacob Berzelius, who noted the similarity of the new element to the previously known tellurium (named for the Earth). Selenium is found impurely in metal sulfide ores, where it partially replaces the sulfur. Commercially, selenium...

That Brazilian Guy

!!undo

ChatBot John Cavil

@ThatBrazilianGuy You do not have permission to use the command undo

That Brazilian Guy

7:10 PM

!!sudo undo

ChatBot John Cavil

Proper User Policy apparently means Simon Says.

Bob

=> seleniumhq.org

@ThatBrazilianGuy shrug maybe you can crowbar it into working

not if this CAS does anything with JS, anyway

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Let me disable JS and try it in Firefox

Yes, CAS works without JS

But disabling it made me notice something else that might work

www.system.whereIwork.org js-redirects to www.system.whereIwork.org/login.php

I think it didn't before

yeah, now I can scrape the CAS login page.

back to writing more bad practice code

Mokubai

7:38 PM

@allquixotic I'm sensing a certain bias in your answers here meta.superuser.com/questions/8446/…

allquixotic

@Mokubai I never claimed to be unbias

true dat

!!tell 17508167 no

they're correct that 2K isn't worth the tradeoffs (at least not until we have better batteries or lower power screens), but I don't trust Sony to use high-end hardware and to not meddle with the firmware so much that it's unusable

Samsung and Sony are both awful meddlers. They always screw with stuff trying to jam pack it with gimmicky features that don't even work.

at least Moto runs mostly vanilla Android with the bare minimum Verizon bloatware

Bob

7:49 PM

@allquixotic Huh. I always thought Xperia firmware was relatively close to stock.

allquixotic

I'll probably switch out my S5 for the new Motorola Droid Maxx+1 (whatever that turns out to be) later this year -- it's supposed to be a Snapdragon 801, which is a lateral (so, no CPU upgrade), but quite possibly Android "L", definitely less meddling, definitely longer batt life, definitely better build quality... hard to pass up

the longer I've been away from Moto the more I miss them... hell, even the LTE reception was better on the Droid Maxx

and the bluetooth dropouts are exactly as bad on the S5

seems to be a persistent problem with post-KitKat on ALL hardware

the new Droid Maxx successor will basically be a Galaxy S5 that doesn't suck balls

at this point, with my S5, I'll be lucky to get 4.4.4 by June of next year (currently on 4.4.2), and Android "L" by Christmas 2015.

the new Moto phone will probably bump those back by 6 months, each

Bob

@allquixotic I'm not sure if L is really ready yet; there's still far too much app incompatibility.

allquixotic

@Bob I've run ART several times and haven't really seen any app incompatibility for anything I use

unless L breaks other things besides just the runtime

Bob

@allquixotic There have been several updates to Spotify fixing L/ART-related bugs.

allquixotic

coulda fooled me; I use Spotify more than any app except perhaps Gmail and it worked fine

but that was with ART on 4.4.4

Bob

7:54 PM

shrug

my only KitKat device is, amusingly enough, a cheapo $50 tablet

blame Samsung for that one

allquixotic

here in the US, Moto and HTC seem to be on top of somewhat timely Android updates (at least within the same half-year), but Samsung is months behind those two

and Sammy is even further behind in Australia

HTC is promising 90 day turnaround for "L" on their flagship

Bob

@allquixotic There's rumors from CS reps from Telstra that KitKat might come late September

-_-

allquixotic

given that about 40 of those days belong to Verizon and the FCC, that's good

Bob

Apparently it hasn't even gotten to the carriers yet

allquixotic

o_O

heh. with 4.4.4 on the Droid Maxx, it was: Moto did up the code in about a week (incl. internal testing), passed it to Verizon, then a 3-week black hole, then OTA is made available on a Saturday at 3 AM.

but that's after several months of them working on 4.4.3 and having to scrap it to add in the security fix of 4.4.4

4.4.4 is just 4.4.3 with a tiny (but very important) security fix

wouldn't it be sad if you got 4.4.0? :P

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