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12:00 AM
but times are a'changin'
 
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but really I like to just go ahead and play the game somebody whose opinion I trust recommends
 
@user1306322 free to play games help a bit, eh?
 
not so much, they... well they help in another way
I was playing Spiral Knights recently, trying to remember what was so good that got me hooked for a bit during the TF2 hat swap thing
and I found out that the F2P part of it really sucked all the fun out of it closer to mid-game
 
12:05 AM
that's where you became seriously weaker than the enemies and either had to grind and grind or pay and win
@Braiam that place is evil
 
@user1306322 but, but... THE PRINCESS IS THERE!
 
o0
@allquixotic: I see you broke chat ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Cavil is unhappy
!!tell 12161927 no
 
@Braiam can you guess why that place is evil?
 
12:08 AM
morning
 
4:08 here, so yes, morning
 
its 8am
I just pulled a cost analysis out of my hypothetical donkey
 
I am imagining Jim Carrey sticking out of a rhinoceros' rear
 
close enough
or maybe the jurrasic park poo scene.
 
well, I couldn't find more music to my liking, but at least I have a cake
and you
monsters
 
12:20 AM
Yeck, cake
 
at first I was pretty happy with it, but then raisins
 
What's with the messed up lines above?
 
unicode leaks
but not for everyone, as it looks perfectly fine to me, so I'm guessing from the screenshot up there
I might stay in touch, so if a wild music recommendation site appears, lemme know
 
Yahoo! returns "Please enter your password" rather than something like "Incorrect password" on typing the password wrong when asked to verify login credentials. Does this increase security in any way?
 
12:35 AM
It will definitely tick off those people who are trying to enter their account and keep making an error unintentionally. lol
 
@user1306322 the installer came with a uninstaller
 
1:24 AM
@DragonLord well, assuming you're trying to attack an authentication system, the less the system reveals about what happened, the harder it is for the attacker to obtain information that could be useful
some sites will just silently reload the page if you submit invalid credentials... attacker's like "ooooooooookay... now what"
it is a major security defect if you have two fields, say username and password, or email and password, and you specifically tell the user, "unknown email address" for doesnotexist@nonexistentdomain.com, but if you enter a known email like bill@microsoft.com, it tells you "invalid password"
because then they can very easily enumerate the first field to figure out email addresses or usernames
although generally speaking, there isn't a huge difference between silently reloading the page or printing "Please enter your password", versus saying "Invalid login credentials" or "Invalid username/password" -- the important thing is that you never alter the content of your HTTP response between the two distinct cases of "correct username/email, but wrong password" and "non-existent username/email"
except that the attacker would have to wonder, "is the site even working correctly at all, or am I doing something wrong?" if it just silently reloads the page, so there is that
 
1:45 AM
@allquixotic and/or locking out your ip address for a while
 
@JourneymanGeek that's important too
 
(though, it would be funny as hell to throw you into a fake account with honeytrap information....)
 
@allquixotic: whats off there?
theverge.com/2013/11/13/5096680/… damn it google. stop making phones I want and not selling them here
 
@JourneymanGeek that's a dog's life :D
 
1:55 AM
it makes me want to hide someone's socks.
Though I suppose since its non LTE (non issue for me for now), I can just get it online or something
 
@JourneymanGeek just found it awesomely detailed for a patch notes
 
ahh ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek that's the first Motorola phone to come out in a long time that I am completely uninterested in :P
my Droid Maxx is better in every way
 
@allquixotic: I tend to favour fairly cheapish phones ;p
(that said, the moto X and the nexus 5 arn't available here yet either)
 
@JourneymanGeek :/
 
2:06 AM
I currently have a HTC one V
and well...
its being kind of problematic, annoyingly
and isn't going to be updated
 
@JourneymanGeek okay; the Moto G would be a huge upgrade for you.
 
@allquixotic: precisely
and suprisingly, despite spending quite a bit of money on hardware this month, I can probably afford it ;p
 
yeah, its a significantly better phone
;p
(that said, my mom has a nokia e72....)
 
@JourneymanGeek I guess you care about that aspect ^
 
2:15 AM
@allquixotic: thats pretty important if I'm paying retail for a phone
especially where I'm not someone who uses his phone a lot.
hell, lack of LTE dosen't bother me even
 
although to be fair, I didn't physically pull nine bundled stacks of bills out of my wallet to pay for the Droid Maxx
 
lol
paid 50 dollars for my current phone, cheapest plan, and on a 2 year contract
If I'm in singapore on the long term, I'll likely recontract, and get a nicer one ;p
but I don't see me paying more than $200 for a phone
(I know, ironic, considering my taste in hardware)
I also prefer smaller screens
also odd, but if I need a bigger screen, I'll use a tablet or a laptop
💩
 
Ash
2:46 AM
what does hotkeys exactly mean ?
 
>_>
a bit more context would help here
but a key or keyboard combination that triggers something
like <kbd> ctrl </kbd> <kbd>f</kbd> for search
 
Ash
how they are different from shortcuts ?
 
just semantics really
 
Ash
i don't get it ..
 
@Ash yeah me either
@JourneymanGeek I think you should make more better explanation, this is stink
 
Ash
2:54 AM
in wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotkeys it states : For instance, Microsoft differentiates keyboard shortcuts from hotkeys (mnemonics) whereby the former consists of a specific key combination used to trigger an action, and the latter represents a designated letter in a menu command or toolbar button that when pressed together with the Alt key, activates such command.
 
whoa whoa whoa, that is way too many color splotches for one screen. I don't like this at all. At all.
 
Ash
but i don't really get what makes the difference
 
@Ash simple, shortcut is an one-show-off method of doing things. mnmonics is the most similar to navigating the gui with the keyboard
 
3:31 AM
@Ash clear all confusion by using the words Global, Program, Menu , and?
 
3:48 AM
@allquixotic you around?
 
!!tell 12164836 no
 
@Braiam Invalid /tell arguments. Use /help for usage info
 
mm... John is sensible to trailing spaces...
 
well if you guys really do want a welcome message for the mid-term that is user activated. gist.github.com/rlemon/7460953
change around a few things ofc
in-term* ??
as a native english speaker I suck.
 
lol
this happens
 
3:53 AM
@rlemon I bet that the "newbies" users that get into the chatrooms "may I ask?" are rising D:
 
not as of yet. but I kid you not it was a real problem
in the few months of access control, in the few days we've been in gallery, we've seen over 5K unique users through the room. js room gets a lot of fly by users who pop in ask a few questions and are never to be seen again
I should get the bot to track metrics on user traffic
 
4:50 AM
@rlemon: maybe pin it on the side, or set it as a channel topic....
not that it stops that from oocationally happening in the comms room
 
@rlemon am now
@rlemon wonder how long it would take for that to be officially declared annoying as well. nah, not gonna push it
 
Bob
5:10 AM
damn it java why the hell is an unreachable statement an error??
 
5:32 AM
@Bob Because you have your compiler settings flipped to error on warnings?
 
Bob
5:54 AM
@JimmyHoffa nawp
plenty of standard warnings around the place
apparently it was a language-design decision
 
@Bob To be fair, why the hell do you have unreachable code? :P
 
Bob
@JimmyHoffa quick and easy way to skip a function
for testing, really
 
@Bob Ah when debugging I write all kinds of hacky crap
 
Bob
and I'm used to it from C#, because there you get a warning (nice reminder to revert)
 
that is pretty stupid and hard to believe that Java really doesn't allow that
yeah, I'm a .NET guy so I'm used to the same
 
Bob
5:57 AM
15
Q: Unreachable code error vs. dead code warning in Java under Eclipse?

UriDoes anyone know why: public void foo() { System.out.println("Hello"); return; System.out.println("World!"); } Would be reported as an "unreachable error" under Eclipse, but public void foo() { System.out.println("Hello"); if(true) return; System.out.println("World!");...

The workaround: use if (true) return; :S
 
@Bob Yeah, I really don't like Java...
 
Bob
(even worse: I actually did that, and somehow it skipped right past that and triggered a breakpoint after the return)
whatf
@JimmyHoffa right there with you :P
Don't you just love it when your build fails from out of memory errors? (WTF)
 
@Bob Yeah... If I had to be in Java I'd write it in Clojure and just hand out the Jar "Yeah, it's uh in Java whistles and walks away"
 
Bob
@JimmyHoffa heh, maintaining a large project, which is already in Java :P
 
@Bob great IDE for Clojure that makes it fun to play with, really cool IDE concept worth poking at just for kicks lighttable.com
@Bob Agh, just implement more bugs, blame it on Java, and claim it needs to be migrated
 
Bob
6:04 AM
@JimmyHoffa On a scale of Visual Studio to Eclipse, how does it rank? :P
 
@Bob It's a different concept, it's quite good though has projects and things. It runs a server that constantly builds and executes bits of your code while you're writing it giving you all kinds of details, runtime errors while you're writing it etc
 
Bob
@JimmyHoffa I was half-joking - mostly asking about performance.
 
Oh, you mean of Clojure? Clojure performs quite nicely, it runs on the JVM
 
Bob
Also, both VS and Eclipse have intelligent (as far as Eclipse can be called intelligent...) real-time parsers. Not quite the same as running it, but I'm not too sure I want to run half-written code anyway. Sounds risky.
@JimmyHoffa IDE performance* :P
 
@Bob it runs it in it's own sandbox, will catch infinite loops or other such etc, it's very neat. The IDE performance is quite good though it's bulky as hell and takes a good bit to load, but once it's running it's definitely plenty performant
It's just for Clojure though which makes it useless to you and most for anything really, I just mentioned it as a neat concept to look at
What's a word that means huge?
 
Bob
6:10 AM
@JimmyHoffa How does it work for things like FS, DB, web access, etc?
 
@Bob It would probably just try to run it, though you wouldn't likely have live DB connection strings in your dev workflow, besides the auto-running stuff is an option you can easily turn off if you were doing serious work. It would be very handy if for instance you were trying to write parsing code, it would run it with each change parsing whatever input it had telling you where you're missing an edge case or whatnot, lots of things that could be handy
It recompiles and executes out of proc so it doesn't slow the IDE either. Just a cool concept, something you don't see in Visual Studio or others
 
6:27 AM
Morning.
Meh, still no answer on this one:
0
Q: How to make auto complete available for directories in cdpath for tcsh?

DerekI just learned the trick for setting up cdpath in tcsh and it looks pretty useful. However seems auto-complete of sub-folder names doesn't come with it, is there any trick available on that? It'd be really cool since I'm entering certain directories a lot. I am using tcsh 6.14.00 (Astron)

I am not sure that it can be done, but I am curious.
Pondering pointing the OP at unix (unix&linux)
 
Just got a notification of a suggested edit on one of my question on boardgames...
WTF at the comment.
 
Comment: hi i am bo i like turtules and pankake ? Hmm.
 
Also the suggested edit makes exactly 0 sense.
 
6:42 AM
Put the paper to bed Jurgen Habermas anonymity Frontline Ushahidi Chartbeat trolls Patch put the paper to bed trolls I saw it on Mediagazer
 
 
2 hours later…
8:43 AM
hey all
anyone out there?
 
Bob
@PatrickCollins perhaps
 
i'm trying to set up speakers over bluetooth with a machine running xubuntu
i've paired the speakers with the computer successfully
but i'm not able to find the device in pavucontrol
 
Bob
don't know anything about pulseaudio, sorry. perhaps @allquixotic, if he's interested?
 
got it! disregard
 
9:04 AM
quack
 
Bob
10:16 AM
> The hard drive in my parents' computer is 10 years old at this point. I don't know why it still works. I don't know why that computer still functions at all. It makes no sense.
2
xD
 
Bob
10:42 AM
> when I create a bat file in VB.net using UTF-8 encoding
wat
 
10:54 AM
lol
 
11:31 AM
SU chat should make replying to starred messages available...
 
11:44 AM
@Bob at some point, sheer bloodymindedness
 
12:35 PM
@Hennes why haven't you upvoted that? It is a perfectly decent question and you've taken an interest but mine is the only upvote. Looks like it's not possible by the way, strange.
 
12:49 PM
@Bob I'm not interested in pulseaudio at 4-something AM when I'm looking at the inside of my eyelids, but apparently he figured it out anyway
 
he reminds me of my coworker:
"I have a problem with this that and the other, and I don't know what to do"
"Nevermind I fixed it"
 
@allquixotic: you mean, you don't dream of computer problems?
@allquixotic: quack
 
I'm tired of being his rubber ducky
@JourneymanGeek o_O
 
@allquixotic: well the channel is, practically ;p
(hell, I managed to fix my old router cause I was bitching about it constantly here)
 
12:51 PM
I'm fine with the channel, but face to face is a lot more disruptive
and he's the type to constantly make me get up and come to his desk to look at his problem, then half the time he fixes it himself
 
he needs to learn to vocalize his problems in his head
 
@allquixotic: this is a lot of what I'd do if I wasn't working with engineers
since most 'issues' they have are really simple things
 
this guy is a programmer wannabe of sorts
pretty much a novice
 
so, good ol dunning kruger? ;p
 
12:53 PM
nah, he doesn't think he's particularly smart either, he doesn't brag or anything
but he hasn't had enough experience in working independently to have a sharp enough internal monologue to cleave through even the most trivial problems that can be solved by saying it out loud
 
thats a start then ;p
lol
especially the most trivial probems
 
be back once i'm done my commute..
 
O_O
 
1:14 PM
@allquixotic You spammed starred messages box on the right.
Not sure how you were able to do this.
 
@Boris_yo: mad skills
also unicode abuse
 
Is it coincidence that this picture has "show all 6420"?
 
no, it says 6421 now ;p
 
My laptop under repair is model E6420?
Don't you people have those moments in life where certain numbers start to hunt you?
I once thought about religion, read Bible etc. and number 666 haunt me.
 
1:30 PM
lol
 
I am serious. It was on clock, on the internet, URLs etc. but not every day of course.
Life works in wondrous ways. There's certainly God's law.
 
I am not kidding what I said and this Chrome search suggestion confirms that other people have this:
 
@Boris_yo I have that with letters. I see the letter "e" everywhere
 
Verizon's deployment of 1700 MHz AWS spectrum raised my speeds at home by 50% in both directions
I get better speeds down by a certain restaurant that's across the street from a Verizon cell tower, but my speeds haven't improved at home at all since LTE originally launched until today
 
1:56 PM
Frequency illusion is the illusion in which something which has recently come to one's attention, such as a word or a name, suddenly seems to appear with improbable frequency shortly afterwards. Also known as Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. Example A person reads about the restraint bias. Now he notices all the times he can't obey his own inhibitions. This leads him to an erroneous belief: He thinks that his knowledge of restraint bias caused him to become less self controlling. See also * Attentional bias * Recency illusion * Clustering illusion * Apophenia References
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...you have over ten times my upstream. My wired upstream.
 
@allquixotic and 20 times my... the thing I use to upload to internet....
 
@OliverSalzburg What does that signify for you?
 
@Boris_yo I'm probably going crazy
 
@OliverSalzburg You are not because that does not signify anything.
 
2:09 PM
@Boris_yo e mail, e commerce, <b>e</b> banking, <b>e</b> mail
darn markdown..
 
@Braiam <b>b</b> <b>s</b>
@Braiam Don't exaggerate. It's like saying I breath air because its everywhere.
 
Alex Miller on November 14, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #54, with special guest Sara J. Chipps! Joining us today also is CFO Michael Pryor. Your hosts as usual are Jay Hanlon, David Fullerton, and Joel Spolsky. Today’s episode is brought to you by /r/husky!

We’ll start out with Site Milestones. We have one: Ham Radio will be in public beta by the time this podcast goes live. Turns out there are tons of ham radio enthusiasts even today. Ham!

New Features The big thing we’re currently working on is the new topbar. It hasn’t changed in years… until now! David walks us through the new featu …

 
@Bob Don't complain, you have internet connection, unlike me.
 
@Boris_yo My point is, once you start focusing on something (like a certain number), you start seeing it more often
 
@ThatHelpVampireGuy and me?
 
2:18 PM
@Braiam You have connection at home, I suppose?
 
@allquixotic Pretty good upload...
 
I don't. I borrow =/
 
@OliverSalzburg You should make a good candidate for Yahoo Answers.
 
@Boris_yo Are you calling me a retard?
 
@OliverSalzburg What? I did not write any of that.
Why retard?
 
2:20 PM
@Boris_yo It was a joke ;)
 
Yahoo Answers are for retards? Then that makes me a retard because I sometimes read them.
 
@Boris_yo never EVER, compare Y! answers with SE guys... they feel offended :S
 
@OliverSalzburg You talki' to me? Are you talkin' to me? Well I'm the only one here...
I thought @OliverSalzburg goes Deniro...
Any Streets of Rage fans out here?
 
So!... does any of you have any experience with Ethernet over power lines? You know, those chunky adapter things you plug into your power sockets to connect a device that sits in a distant part of the house to the network? Like the Linksys PLEK500?
Anyone?...
 
@Sammy These devices pass bandwidth through electricity?
 
2:27 PM
@Sammy I have those in use right now
Not the exact type though
 
My question is, what kind of throughput can you expect from these? The ones I have on picture here (PLEK500) are supposed to be "Gigabit" (or rather half a Gigabit) and they support the new HotPlug AV2 standard.
 
I don't have any real numbers right now, I measured when I installed it. It's not great
 
@OliverSalzburg What kind of throughput do you get on those? Maybe... aroundish 200 Mbps? I guess?...
 
@Sammy No, not really
I think when I ran Steam and downloaded games, the peak throughput was 3.5MB/s
Jeeze, takes me 3 edits to get the number right :P
But WLAN was much worse. Maybe 150KB/s
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg But was that a LAN or WAN limitation?
 
2:34 PM
@Bob LAN
 
Bob
I assume you tested at the modem :\
 
WAN would be able of twice that
 
Bob
(I have a full gigabit LAN, but WAN would peak at half that [i.e. 1.7], down, at the best of times.)
 
Yeah, my workstation is on the router side, the living room machine was on the EoP side
EoP? Ethernet over Powerline :P
Is that a thing?
 
@OliverSalzburg there's PoE, so why not?
 
Bob
2:35 PM
PoE? EoP? PEo?
 
@allquixotic That's what I thought :D
 
we may as well come up with EoPoE or PoEoP
 
@OliverSalzburg EoP? I only know PPPOE! :) It's crazy how many of there abbreviations there are.
 
it would be interesting to wire an entire house only using high-quality shielded ethernet cables and connect all devices using PoE
appliances would be a bit of a problem though
 
@OliverSalzburg But 3.5 MB/s sounds very low. I mean for LAN. That's 28 Mbps. I have a 10 Mbps down/up Internet access. So it would be good with Steam, Torrent, Downloads, whatever... but transferring files locally would be a pain. Like doing backup, etc.
 
2:39 PM
@Sammy Yeah, it is
 
@Sammy: That might depend on your wiring, and how noisy your power is
 
@Bob so what you're saying is I have a pretty good connection for uploading videos to youtube :P
 
But I guess it varies. No idea what the throughput depends on
 
@OliverSalzburg the quality and noise level of your mains electrical power, plus the quality of your electrical wiring
 
@OliverSalzburg Was this a Linksys PowerPlug? And was it AV2 generation? Do you know the model? So we have something to relate to? The one I posted is latest generation. They actually have Gigabit ports but they don't reach even the "half Gigabit" speeds that they promise.
 
2:40 PM
I guess, theoretically, if you built a new house or completely re-wired the electricity in an existing house and got a new circuit breaker and all that, using 2013 tech, and specifically told them "I want absolutely minimal noise/ripple/spikes, so recommend the most premium gear", they might be able to improve EoP speeds
 
@Sammy No idea, I got them from my boss and he got them from his ISP. I can't check them out right now
 
has been considering them for fixing the goddamned dead zone.
 
3 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
@Sammy: That might depend on your wiring, and how noisy your power is
Yeah. I've been considering using those, but the power lines quality around here has... issues
 
@ThatHelpVampireGuy: my building is 70s era, and ... my apartment is odd.
You could fit in a single bed or two into the bathrooms.
And I mean human, not dog bed.
2
 
@JourneymanGeek I can fit in my bathroom...
 
2:44 PM
@Braiam: I think there's 3 toilets worth of space in one of mine....
;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Interesting article! They tested the PLEK500 and got around 130 Mbps on download and 100 Mbps upload. That's pretty impressive for a powerline adapter. Of course, as they say, your mileage might vary!
 
@Sammy: I'd also give the wirecutter a look
they're a VERY nice site that does reviews and aggregates a bunch of reviews as well
 
brb, messing around with system proxy and such, probably gonna mess up FF's proxy
 
@JourneymanGeek Alright, I'll check that out. Thanks!
Is it possible to do WOL (wake on lan) with powerline adapters?
 
2:58 PM
I have no idea
a quick google seems to suggest yes
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, from the looks of it, it should work. There was a guy on the Apple forum who said he had the powerline connection on Mac OS X 10.7 (I think) and when he upgraded to 10.8 he lost the WOL functionality. But he did a clean install, so he probably messed something up. He probably needed to do some configuration first.
But the fact that he was able to do it with 10.7 suggests that it is indeed possible to do WOL over powerline adapters. It's a hard wiring, so it should work.
It's not like with WLAN. That's a whole different story. Even if WoWLAN (Wake on Wireless LAN) does exist, there is no support from the industry. I think Intel was the only chip maker who made wireless products with WoWLAN support, and this was around year 2006.
Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG is an old adapter with WoWLAN support. It has been discontinued and current product lineup from Intel don't support WoWLAN.
Some current Intel adapters will still allow you to enable WOL (in Windows Device Manager) for their wireless products, but that actually has no effect. It's there only for the show to be able to pass the WHQL certification and use the Windows logo.
Check out this Intel technical brief.
 
3:13 PM
Are Windows support tools retired?
WOL with powerline adaptors..?
yeah.. of course 'cos powerline adaptors just work on the LAN
 
@Sammy are you talking WOL or Wireless WOL?
WOL wouldn't be hindered by powerline adaptors.. And powerline adaptors aren't really for wireless lans.
 
@barlop I read about WoWLAN (Wireless WOL) yesterday. I want to see if it's possible. Apparently there's almost no support from the industry.
 
well, regardless if it's anywhere it'd be in the network card.
 
@barlop I'm just comparing the two. WOL works on wired and powerline, but not on wireless.
 
3:18 PM
well, it does work on wireless they just call it wireless WOL
though the card has to support it, and you say it's generally not supported.
 
@barlop Can you name a PCI-Express card that supports it?
 
absolutely no idea
 
There are "rumors" that the new ASUS PCE-AC68 wireless adapter supports WOL. But there is no way to verify because ASUS has forgot to publish the manual on the support page, and there is no info about WOL in the specification.
 
here's an idea...
maybe it's possible to convert a wired connector to wireless, and keep the WOL that way.
for example..
If you connect maybe one would call it a Wireless Access Point, if you connect it to a wired connector (i'm not sure if wireless access point is the right term)
then it'd go through a wired network card with WOL and maybe that would work.
 
the problem is that in those cases, the antenna should be working all the time... and is not good for the battery
 
3:21 PM
@Braiam who said it needed to be on a laptop?
Wireless Routers often allow wired devices to be connected to them
'cos wireless routers have like a wired switch and wireless access point in them.
@Sammy so you could just connect a wired computer to a wireless router.
And if you don't like a long cable there, you could use powerline adaptors.
 
@Braiam Yes, and in the case of the above mentioned Intel PRO/Wireless adapter it requires that the OEM enables WOL in the computer circuitry on the motehrboard. So it probably won't work on after-market laptops. Besides, most of these WoWLAN capable laptops are business oriented and it's not something you find in a regular consumer laptop.
 
hmm.. you need to get a good motherboard then I suppose
Not some OEM junk
I've seen many BIOSs with WOL support.
a good motherboard would support it I suppose.
so yeah as you say re after-marked laptops.
besides the fact that you can't really put a PCI-E card in a laptop AFAIK!
 
@Braiam These WoWLAN capable laptops require that you have them on AC power, in order to use the WOL function. For some reason the WOL don't work when the laptop is powered by batteries only. Check the article I posted above.
@barlop Yeah, I'm really interested in WOL on a desktop, not a laptop. But there are no wireless adapters that support WoWLAN. If it's a PCI-Express card on a custom built Gigabyte or ASUS desktop motherbaord, it will be powered at all times.
@barlop When you "power off" a desktop computer it's really not completely powered off. It changes power state to S5 (G2). That's why you can wake it with a network adapter, or when you press the power button. But if you completely remove the power cord, that's G3 or mechanical off and WOL won't work, wired or wireless... doesn't matter. No power no play.
 
@Sammy I might have seen an option on a motherboard to turn on/off 5VSB(5 volt standby) going to ps2.. long ago. But indeed it didn't turn off 5VSB totally.. there was no way to do that.. other than possibly cutting the I think it was purple wire
though I didn't try it
I had a KVM switch that got confused by 5VSB.
and I don't know if the computer would've powered up if I had cut the purple wire.. perhaps not. or how good it'd have been for the psu.
 
3:39 PM
@barlop You mean PS/2 mouse/keyboard port? Or are you actually referring to the PS/2? You know, the old IBM computer?
 
the former, the mouse/keyboard port
The computers prior to the days of the ps2 mouse/keyboard port, did not have any standby voltage, they just went off when turned off.
 
Most modern motherboards, especially after-market, or "enthusiast" boards you buy today will be WOL capable by default. I have the option to enable or disable "PME" (Power Management Events) in the BIOS of a Gigabyte motherboard. But even with this option disabled I can still do WOL on that computer. But I'm using the built-in Realtek network adapter. I believe it uses the PCI or PCI-Express bus but it's not an actual PCI/PCI-Express card.
The problem is not with the motherboard, and not the PSU, or BIOS. The problem is the lack of support for WOL or "WoWLAN" on wireless PCI-Express network adapters. You still need this support in the network adapter drivers and firmware to use WOL wirelessly.
 
anyone familiar with HE's tunnels? I'm trying to set up ipv6 on my router and while I seem to get a ipv6 address, I can't ping in or out to it
 
@barlop What you described earlier might actually work. Going from wireless to wired, before you reach the computer. But you will need to have the AP (access point) in client bridge mode. You will then be able to go to the router interface and send a magic packet to do WOL. Most routers have WOL options.
 
@JourneymanGeek Admit it: You do the dog-mentioning just for the stars, don't you?
 
3:51 PM
@ThatHelpVampireGuy: >_>
this is indeed possible.
 
(and my bouncer/web server needs to be reset again. damned unreliable piece of crap)
 
@JourneymanGeek of course you can't ping it, IPv6 IPs are untypeable, how are you going to ping something you can't type
 
@JimmyHoffa: heh, copy pasted it ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek probably buffer overflowed your clipboard
 
@JourneymanGeek s/35/36
No, I don't know what I'm talking about.
 
@JourneymanGeek wan gateway is empty...
 
@Braiam: wan gateway is for native ipv6
 
@JourneymanGeek Why are these screen caps so super enlarged? O_o
 
@JimmyHoffa: actual size ;p
 
3:57 PM
@JourneymanGeek aren't you tunneling?
 
tunnels requires gateway... IMO
 

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