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I've been listening to smokey reports for a while in SOCVR, I even subscribed to his reports a while ago. I happily don't give feedback, as I see that I'd often miss.
But recently I reached 10k and got access to the NATO tool. There there's a nonzero probability of me seeing spam/abusive garbage for the first time. At times like this it would be nice if I could report. But for this I need privileges. But with privileges comes feedback, which I'd like to avoid on the Smokey side if possible:)

I trust Smokey's ignoring more than my own ignorance.

@QPaysTaxes it's not just clutter: testing for a possible spam site and leaving it in the transcript kinda beats the purpose

ArtOfCode

9:39 PM

@AndrasDeak oh, are you not privileged at all?

Andras Deak

I don't want to leave any hints of these in any transcript

@ArtOfCode indeed:)

and this was cool as long as I didn't see any reportable posts anyway

ArtOfCode

Ah, there's my confusion. I thought you were privileged, so this new set would have been a downgrade.

Andras Deak

@QPaysTaxes there are sometimes offensive stuff too

@ArtOfCode yes, it would:) Sorry for the confusion

ArtOfCode

No worries

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Title - Offensive keyword: fuck you
Title - Position 1-5: fuck
Post - Offensive keyword: fuck you

ArtOfCode

9:41 PM

@QPaysTaxes how dare you bans

Andras Deak

And leave that in SOCVR? Yeah, that won't fly.

SmokeDetector

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ArtOfCode

@QPaysTaxes touché

Andras Deak

1 CV on it already..bah

Ferrybig

@AndrasDeak You mean deleted already?

Andras Deak

9:42 PM

@Ferrybig Yes, with 1 close vote...

ArtOfCode

Honestly, from what I know on Smokey code, implementing different privilege levels would be a nightmare. It might be easier just to give you full privileges, and you can simply avoid feeding back.

Andras Deak

Offensive garbage should be flagged, not CVd. Assuming of course, that the voter didn't flag.

@ArtOfCode sure:) Or maybe put me on that ignore list:P

but as I said, this is not of high priority, I'm happy with the status quo too. I'm just investigating my options.

thanks for feedback:)

Ferrybig

I also voted to close first because it was obviously too broad and without error, afterward I wanted to double read the post to see if it was really abusive, but it was deleted too quickly

Andras Deak

@Ferrybig it was

ArtOfCode

@AndrasDeak Undo could make you an ignore entry, but I designed the system so well that it would do a grand total of diddly squat.

Andras Deak

9:44 PM

it was apparently about brainfuck, but the last sentence was something along the lines of "answer me bitches"

@ArtOfCode haha, great:D

Undo

FYI, updating metasmoke to Rails 5 release.

ArtOfCode

@Undo oh, they released it? Sweet

Andras Deak

I'll just determine then whether I want privileges or not:) Thanks

Undo

@ArtOfCode Yeah

ArtOfCode

@AndrasDeak no worries

Undo

9:45 PM

Apparently it was June 30th, but I never noticed

Andras Deak

9 days behind the edge...I think that's acceptable;)

ArtOfCode

@Undo since I don't know Smokey code too well: how much of a nightmare would it be to implement different privilege levels?

Undo

@ArtOfCode um

Depends on a lot of things :P

Andras Deak

@ArtOfCode Noooo don't do that

Undo

Like what exactly one would want to do

ArtOfCode

9:46 PM

Read up :P

Andras Deak

I've already asked Undo a few days ago

ArtOfCode

Heh

Andras Deak

his answer was "probably not possible" before going afk:)

ArtOfCode

I would've been absent for that :)

Andras Deak

I mean, I asked if it was possible as it is to get only reporting privs

and I wouldn't have brought it up at all if it wasn't for ~~those meddling kids~~ QPays talking about a very similar thing:)

I was perfectly content with Undo's answer

Undo

9:50 PM

Seriously, though, I'm more than happy to give you privs even if you don't use the feedback thing

Andras Deak

Thanks, I appreciate it:) I'll still think about it, and anyway I'd probably ask for it in SOCVR (for which I'd have to ask there, right?)

well, they can easily clean up after you if you mess up:P

Undo

@AndrasDeak Don't really need to as far as I'm concerned

CHQ historically has higher standards for people than SOCVR does, so I don't have an issue managing SOCVR's list myself.

Andras Deak

Ah, awesome, thanks:) Then I'll just bug you if I decide to go with it.

@Undo heh:D

and yet you gave @QPaysTaxes privileges

Ferrybig

CHQ and SOCVR focus on different points when deciding who to give privileges

ArtOfCode

The decider for giving people privs is more often than not "do we think you're sane"

I've seen Q around and he's mostly sane, so privs are fine :)

Andras Deak

9:55 PM

slim pickings... ;)

ArtOfCode

I also doubt that anyone in here would have a problem speaking up to veto a privs request. And hey, if someone would have that problem, most people also have my email address :)

Andras Deak

I'm not really worried about privileges from the side of the community, I'm concerned about my own perspective:D But not too much, we've already spent way more time on this than necessary:) Thanks guys for all the input.

Undo

Metasmoke now running on Rails 5.0.0. cc @ArtOfCode b/c you might want to update your gems.

Somehow it feels faster. Probably Turbolinks

Although I broke the (needs admin) thing. Should fix that.

ArtOfCode

@Undo yet another thing to add to the rapidly lengthening list of things to do when I'm back at a proper workstation...

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Undo

10:15 PM

Rails 5 update broke metasmoke login

hichris123

@Undo FYI @rene usually wants a chance to weigh in as if stuff starts going wrong the room owners will probably be blamed. Unlikely that rene would disagree with Andras getting privileges though. :)

Andras Deak

:) Anyway I've been thinking and I'll just probably use the privileges here, when I decide.

I'm mostly in SOCVR for a few people, not for the moderation activities. And for spam, charcoal is the right place.

Undo

@Undo Fixed

hichris123

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by QPaysTaxes

Like, PNGWriter would have been great, but it depends on libpng -- which actually was fine, except that it depends on zlib, which doesn't work on Windows 10.

FYI @QPaysTaxes libpng works on Windows 10, not sure how... I've compiled it as part of Chromium on Win 10

Eh I prefer to not clutter up SOCVR. :P

It depends on zlib, perhaps the Chromium version has some Windows modifications? cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/third_party/zlib

Andras Deak

10:33 PM

on-topicness is overrated

Andras Deak

10:43 PM

night

SmokeDetector

11:25 PM

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Quill

11:36 PM

@ArtOfCode that looks really awesome, but can it support POST reqs?

if it can, a userscript with little buttons on the SD posts for feedback would be easy peasy :)

ArtOfCode

@Quill one of those exists already, but it doesn't use the API

Quill

hmm?

ArtOfCode

it cannibalises metasmoke native functionality

As in, it hits a route that was originally designed for metasmoke internals only

Quill

oh, fair enough

ArtOfCode

The current API routes are all reads, no writes, so they're all GET. But yeah, if we add write support it'll be POSTs.

Undo

11:40 PM

or maybe PUTs

Still trying to figure out what to do with my free 1yr domain registration from Google

Have until July 31

I'm tempted to go register metasmoke.org

Although I'm not sure I want to pay $12/year on it forever

Quill

$12 is a small price to pay for the freedom of SE

Quill

11:57 PM

It's a shame there isn't a free domain scheme for organisations

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