Alola

@Fluttershy Oh I'm sure if I got caught playing or being on here all day, she would probably write me up. But yet it's okay for her to play candy crush and watch cat videos all day on youtube

Ben Brocka

6:07 PM

I think more Pseudolegendary pokemon learn Crunch than dark types

been evolving mine for the pokedex and I think only metagross didn't learn it

Ben Brocka

6:41 PM

I feel so sorry for this restaraunt owner. I've given him 5+ heart attacks in the last day

Jerry

he recovers very quickly though

he must have some miracle remedy which works each time he goes to the hospital/clinic

Ben Brocka

6:56 PM

btw Cafe Le Wow rotation battles are the best for leveling, not triple battles

you can bring 5 pokemon to level instead of 3, as long as your lead is strong

Fluttershy

I can't find any Super Training guides! Damn you, reddit!

Jerry

huh, what do you need the guide for?

Ben Brocka

What's the best replacement for Superpower without a move tutor? Brick Break?

I need a coverage move for Haxrous

I don't think there are any poison physical moves he learns either (for fairies)

Jerry

poison jab?

and you can run a white herb if you don't want the secondary effects on the stats once

Ben Brocka

oh right that is a TM. I'[ll see if he can learn that

Yuki

7:05 PM

@BenBrocka You'd probably be better off with a Steel move for Fairy coverage.

Considering that would hit all Fairies for at least neutral damage. Poison Jab won't work on two of 'em.

Ben Brocka

True

Yuki

And Mega Mawile is shaping up to be pretty popular.

Ben Brocka

was thinking more of Togekiss though, with EQ, Dragon Claw and Brick Break I can't hurt it worth crap

Might go for choice band over Swords Dance though. I'll see how dance does in super rotation battles soon

Jerry

Hmm, I see only Iron Tail there for a steel move

Yuki

Part of me is glad that Mawile finally has the popularity she deserves, but part of me feels all hipster-y in that "I liked Mawile before she had a Mega Evolution".

Jerry

7:08 PM

which is from gen V

Yuki

@BenBrocka If you take Choice Band, DDance isn't an option either.

Ben Brocka

I've been using swords dance rather than dragon dance. Think the speed is more important?

He OHKO or 2HKOs almost everything with stage 2 attack

since I have EQ for klefki and MAwile anyway I'll just get poison point I think

glad Klefki doesn't levitate

Fluttershy

The number of stat increases you can get from Super Training is limited, isn't it?

Yuki

@Fluttershy 252 EVs max for each stat. And 510 total, I believe.

Fluttershy

E...Vs? Pokemon, what have you become!? D:

Yuki

7:16 PM

@Fluttershy EVs have been around since 2nd gen.

Fluttershy

I miss the days of running around with Pikachu and catching stuff in the Safari zone and not having to worry about TMs and IVs and genders and stuff.

Yuki

And they were in 1st gen in the form of STATEXP.

Ben Brocka

gen 1 actually

Yeah, they were just different

oh wait, gen 3 is the new system

@Fluttershy there were TMs then too

they were just useless pieces of trash because they were single use

Fluttershy

@BenBrocka Yeah, but I never used them.

Ben Brocka

except stuff like Ice Beam which you could buy more of

Yuki

7:17 PM

Heck, TMs are better now than they were then.

Ugh. Having real trouble nailing down that final IV...

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy So why do you have to worry about them now?

Ben Brocka

And you can still ignore IVs or pretty much anything you feel like unless you're battling people online or doing the battle maison/institute

Fluttershy

So... I shouldn't worry so much about the super training? Like... I'll have enough to boost my stats pretty significantly?

Ben Brocka

Pokemon still supports an incredibly wide variety of skills

@Fluttershy well Super Training makes EV training much easier. But for non-competitive battles, the random EVs you get from fighting normally won't be terrible

Fluttershy

Ah... Okay... I think. >_>

I'm just gonna play and not worry about any of that stuff, I think.

Ben Brocka

7:21 PM

you really don't need to, and thanks to reset bags/reset juice, you can redo EV training at any time

Yuki

As long as you don't plan on battling other players for the rest of your time, you'll be fine.

Fluttershy

Cool. I don't plan on doing that any. :D

Ben Brocka

and you'll be okay for casual battles against other people who don't plan on doing that stuff so much

Jerry

The limit remained at 512

max 252 in any stat though

Madara Uchiha

@Jerry 512? or 510

Jerry

7:25 PM

I tried training s pokemon today, and got 252 in two stats, and 6 points remained

512

2 points won't get used

Ben Brocka

4 points, you can put 4 points in a third stat

Jerry

510 oops

I just remember there's some points left which you can't use

252+252+4... uh 508 useful EVs and 2 left

Ben Brocka

cafe le wow really needs to train this skiddo better

Yuki

GODDAMN YOU, FIFTH EV, WHY WON'T YOU INHERIT PROPERLY??!!

I'm sitting on a whole box of 4/6 Jolly Sneasels.

Ben Brocka

hopefully wondertrade will appreciate them

can you only unlock the evolution stone Secret Training stuff on a pokemon with max EVs?

Yuki

7:38 PM

@BenBrocka Yeah. They also have to have been given the award for every Super Training as well.

Ben Brocka

@Yuki not sure about that one; my Hydreigon only did speed and s attack but has access to them

If I can't do it while grinding EVs I'll just do it on my hydreigon, the rapid fire move really slaughters most of the training modes

Yuki

@BenBrocka Okay. It's probably because I got awarded for all the other trainings when I went back and did 'em all on my Chesnaught.

Ben Brocka

damn, no one wants t o give me their whimsicott

Why is there only one white top

Ben Brocka

7:56 PM

I was skeptical of teaching my Charizard Dragon Claw but every time a dragon type comes up he's just like lol nope OHKO

Imagine if he had Draco meteor

Yuki

@BenBrocka I got a 5/6 Jolly Sneasel! But it's male...

Way to troll, Pokemon...

Ben Brocka

breeding for the gender + IVs from destiny bond is a lot easier than fixing the 5th IV though right? Or is it?

Unionhawk

desire sensor... ACTIVATE

Yuki

@BenBrocka There was some page that did the math and said breeding for the 5 IVs first was faster.

Buuut, this means that I can breed the 5/6 Jolly Sneasel with the other 5/6 not-Jolly Sneasel.

And I should have a ~1/12 chance of getting the right Sneasel for you.

Ben Brocka

Gen 5 had TWELVE legendaries? What the fuck

Jerry

8:09 PM

eh, more legendaries doesn't necessarily mean better though

Ben Brocka

wait, 13, because victini

More legendaries means worse. there should be like 6 tops

You shouldn't need to go to 3 movies and 10 gamestop events to get all pokemon inside a generation

Yuki

@Jerry The thing is, the Gen V legendaries are all some of the best in OU and Uber tiers.

Jerry

didn't say otherwise

Yuki

It's annoying, actually, that so many of the legendaries from a single generation have such presence. I wouldn't if all of them were shunted to Uber, but a lot of them have a home in OU.

And it's frustrating to see Landorus-T after Landorus-T.

Ben Brocka

well you give anything a BST over 600, a wide move pool (something most legendaries have) and a useful ability and by dumb luck it's quite likely to make at least OU

Unless you're Regigigas

Slow Start was REALLY not necessary...

Hey your base stats are completely on par with other legendaries...lets give you a crippling ability no other legendary has!

Yuki

8:14 PM

@BenBrocka Yeah. Slow Start wouldn't have mattered much if they gave him much better stats to compensate.

Ben Brocka

yeah if he was like better than Arceus after Slow Start was over I could see that

Yuki

They could have made it better by halving Attack and Speed, but doubling (or increasing by 50%) his Defense and Special Defense in the mean time.

Ben Brocka

yeah, if he was a complete tank for those 5 turns it might make more sense

Yuki

So, he might spend those first five turns boosting and tanking damage, and then become an unstoppable sweeper after those five turns.

Ben Brocka

but that's still 5 turns to paralyze or burn him and switch in a counter

Yuki

8:17 PM

@BenBrocka Or phaze him.

Ben Brocka

floatzel and krabby. Possibly the worst friend safari yet

Yuki

We have more legendaries than we have Fairy-types, huh?

Ben Brocka

to be fair there are 52 legendary pokemon

plus 3 if the leak is right, which it looks to be

there are also more legendaries than dark types

Yuki

@BenBrocka And Steel. I think. Maybe.

I would be somewhat interested in a Dark/Fairy-type pseudo-legendary.

Fluttershy

Yuki

8:22 PM

@Fluttershy This is not a thing, IIRC.

Ben Brocka

There are 52 legendary pokemon, meaning if Legendary were a type, it would be more common than Dark, Fairy, Steel, Ghost, Ice, electric

Tweeted by BenBrocka on November 3, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Yuki

About the Bad Egg thing

@BenBrocka The Pokemon world is in some odd juxtaposition of the ancient and modern times where steel and electricity are not commonplace, and yet fairies and ghosts are nowhere to be seen or believed in.

Ben Brocka

if anything I think it jsut means they went hardcore overboard in adding legeendaries in gen 4 and 5

Finally my Fresh Meat folder (pokemon to evolve for pokedex entries) is down to less than one box

cloyster! I love that smug looking bastard

C-dizzle

8:44 PM

@BenBrocka can you help me evolve a Scyther/Scizor quick?

Ben Brocka

@C-dizzle sure

C-dizzle

Sending trade request

Ben Brocka

@Yuki do you need that blastoiseinite back?

C-dizzle

@BenBrocka I have another one if you need a Scizor

Ben Brocka

I think I need one actually. Do you want anything in particular for it?

C-dizzle

8:48 PM

Not that I can think of right now

Ben Brocka

do you want bullet punch?

eh I'll erase leer

...WTF now he's trying to learn leer

do you have tyrouge?

I can give you one

C-dizzle

I have Tyroque and all his evolutions

Ben Brocka

cloyster? mankey?

C-dizzle

I have Shellder and Cloyster, no Mankey though... I could use it

Ben Brocka

I'll trade a mankey for my gourgesit back then

C-dizzle

8:51 PM

10-4

I gave you a +ATK / -SpDef Scizor

Ben Brocka

I never knew if you evolve a pokemon at level 1 it tries to learn all it's starting moves

C-dizzle

Yeah that part can be annoying

You need anything else?

Ben Brocka

Not that I can think of, unless you have bellosom

C-dizzle

Nope :/

Ben Brocka

I'm missing lots of stone evos since I've been waiting on grinding super training for them

C-dizzle

8:55 PM

One my HG cartridge I have all the Eeveelutions

Ben Brocka

planning on evolving/catching/hatching everything I can with ease then trading once there's just a few left

I need to get all the eevees. That much pokemon amie is going to drive me nuts

C-dizzle

Technically you only need to do Amie for Sylveon

Ben Brocka

oh man trading all my Diamond and HG pokes to Black then to Pokemon bank is going to be a pain, isn't it?

C-dizzle

Which may be my next adventure

Yes it will be a pain

Because I have some really good ones on HG/SS that I need to transfer over, and Platinum too

Do you know where the electric stone is? Or whatever its called so I can evolve a Magneton

Ben Brocka

gotta grind secret training for it I think

I have no idea why it's not sold along with leaf, fire and water stones

C-dizzle

8:59 PM

Not the Thunder Stone... there is an "electric rock" or something you have to level Magneton by for it to evolve

Ben Brocka

ohhhh right, it's route 13

by the power plant

nosepass too

C-dizzle

Thanks

I have 2 more Metal Coats... think I might wonder trade the last 2 on Scythers

Ben Brocka

might be other people in the room who need 'em too. Steal a bunch from...whoever has those?

C-dizzle

Holy crap! I didn't realize it, but I hatched a Shiny Scyther!

Stole them from Magneton

Yuki

@C-dizzle Nice!

C-dizzle

9:05 PM

It's a Docile one too

Ben Brocka

@C-dizzle nice. Enjoy the slightly different colors!

C-dizzle

I wasn't even trying for it either

@BenBrocka Haha you're right it is a slight difference, but it is my first ever hatched shiny so it's a nice surprise

FAE

I got my Elegant Vivillon! :D

I'm so happy! :D

Ben Brocka

I saw someone describe shinies as fitting in one of three categories: The ones that are cooler than the normal color, the ones that are barely any different, and the lime green ones

It's surprisingly accurate

C-dizzle

Yes it is very accurate

This is one of those barely different ones

Yuki

9:11 PM

@C-dizzle And yet it's also lime green.

Ben Brocka

If you look at all shinies by their lonesome like 1/3rd are green

C-dizzle

Can I borrow you again to evolve this into Scizor?

Ben Brocka

sure

Yuki

@BenBrocka I GOT A FEMALE 5/6 JOLLY SNEASEL!

FAE

I like being able to drag and drop items easily from one pokemon to another.

Ben Brocka

9:13 PM

@Yuki excellent!

C-dizzle

@FAE Yes it is an awesome feature

Yuki

Is there a nickname you would prefer?

Ben Brocka

@Yuki need any pokes in particular? I have a fairly large living pokedex now

@Yuki default is fine

Yuki

I have no clue what I want.

Ben Brocka

ugh I wish you could add/remove items while on the trade screen

C-dizzle

9:15 PM

Oohh cotton candy

Ben Brocka

could have evolved that swirlix

Yuki

I'm gonna double-check the Stone Emporium and then you can trade back my Blastoinite while we're at it.

Ben Brocka

tyrouge, rotom, cloyster?

sadly the first natural shiny I've seen in a game is one I'm circle-trading

it is also lime green

FAE

@BenBrocka circle-trading?

Ben Brocka

trading then trading back

C-dizzle

9:17 PM

What do you need to evolve Swirlix? I can attach it for you

Ben Brocka

whipped dream

I have one if you don't

FAE

ah

C-dizzle

I'm pretty sure I have one

But need to cancel trade quick

Ben Brocka

You'll have to cancel it I'm stuck

C-dizzle

Oh wait, in "Y" I think you get the Sachet

Yuki

9:19 PM

@C-dizzle I have both.

Ben Brocka

Wish you could just send people items

FAE

@BenBrocka I wish I could just give people stuff.

C-dizzle

@BenBrocka I'm going to go get one from Cyllage City quick

Ben Brocka

k, just don't spend BP on one, I have a whipped dream already

do you want to trade it then trade back and forth again so you get the dex entry?

C-dizzle

We can do that... I'm not sure where it is exactly in Cyllage anyways, been talking to everyone and can't find it

FAE

9:23 PM

I found a Sharp Beak? That seems... disturbing. Like it fell off of a Doduo or something...

Ben Brocka

Assuming infinite money, pokerus and all relevant items, is it fastest/easiest to EV train using vitamins, hordes or super training?

@FAE maybe they shed their beaks?

Yuki

@BenBrocka Easiest would probably be Berry Juice every day.

Definitely not fastest though.

Ben Brocka

easy as a factor of time/fuss

did you need any of those pokemon I mentioned like cloyster?

oh wait let me put your blastoiseite on something

adamant beldum?

Yuki

@BenBrocka I think you already traded me one of those.

Ben Brocka

eh I put it on tyrouge, if you need anything later just ask. I'll be able to get any hatchable pokemon in the game soon enough

C-dizzle

9:30 PM

@BenBrocka Found whipped dream for your evolution

Ben Brocka

@C-dizzle do yhou want my whipped dream in return? I don't have a second swirlix

C-dizzle

Nah, I'm not worried about that right now

Ben Brocka

k, ready to trade?

C-dizzle

Yup

Yuki

You can double-check whether the Sneasel is 5/6. I'm almost definitely sure it is.

C-dizzle

9:32 PM

@BenBrocka Thank you for your services

Ben Brocka

no problem

C-dizzle

I saw another shiny earlier today, but it used a fainting move on me :/

Ben Brocka

do you want the slurpuff for your dex?

C-dizzle

Nah, I'll worry about that later

Ben Brocka

@C-dizzle horrible memories of beldums

C-dizzle

9:35 PM

What do you mean?

Ben Brocka

beldum only knows takedown and has an extremely low capture rate. In R/S it would constantly suicide if it weren't asleep

C-dizzle

Oh yeah

Unionhawk

:o I CAN NAVIGATE THE DUMB LUMINOISE CITY NOW

SORT OF

C-dizzle

@Unionhawk the strategy guide has a good map of Lumiose City in it

Ben Brocka

C-dizzle

9:41 PM

That works too

Ben Brocka

I know my way to the botique and cafe le wow, everything else I can kind of wing by going through the plazas

Unionhawk

That's how I do.

Ben Brocka

the plazas are a far better way to switch streets than the boulevards

C-dizzle

I just grab a cab lol

Yuki

Unionhawk

9:42 PM

"Our fare is $710... THAT'LL BE $1500."

>_>

Yuki

@C-dizzle I just memorize how to get to Estival Avenue from all of the Pokemon Centers and then use the Lumiose Press to get to the other places.

Ben Brocka

and now to get a razor claw. Is it true you get one from the chateau?

C-dizzle

Yes, not sure how much BP though

Yuki

Ben Brocka

@Yuki swablu don't give a fuck

C-dizzle

9:44 PM

@BenBrocka well the battle maison, whatever it is called

Yuki

Ducklett's like, "wutever".

C-dizzle

Xatu looks like an angry bird

Ben Brocka

oh someone said they were trying to get max rank in the chateau for a claw

Yuki

@BenBrocka You don't get anything for max rank other than access to the last writ.

Source: I'm a Grand Duke.

Unionhawk

@Yuki well aren't you fancy.

Ben Brocka

9:46 PM

off to the battle maison then

and I just wasted like 200 BP on the last of the TMS I probably won't use

I have all 100 now though!

@C-dizzle apparently if you're max rank someone in a cafe in lumoise gives you the claw

Yuki

@BenBrocka Huh. I need to investigate this.

C-dizzle

@BenBrocka I only show it being available in Battle Maison

According to Serebii that is, but that could be wrong too

Ben Brocka

that that's all I see on serebii. They might not be 100% up to date though

their clothing list is missing at least one item for instance

C-dizzle

I should look in my strategy guide, might show something

Ben Brocka

@Yuki IV checker guy mentions every stat but sp attack and says "stats like these can't be beat!", that must mean perfect on those 5, right?

Yuki

9:55 PM

@BenBrocka Yep.

Ben Brocka

my charizard and hydreigon are "decent" apparently. not surprising

Yuki

Apparently, a cafe owner has been telling people I'm a regular despite the fact that I've never been there before.

Ben Brocka

lesson learned, do not do super training with 0 EVs

Yuki

@BenBrocka Really? I do it all the time.

Did you start with the L3 Trainings?

Ben Brocka

I just took like 3 minutes to beat the haxorus baloon

Yuki

10:00 PM

@BenBrocka Well yeah, don't start with the highest level when you have no EVs.

The amount of "damage" each shot does scales off your total EVs.

FAE

Spoinks look hilarious

Yuki

Checked all the cafes and no Razor Claw.

Ben Brocka

huh

googling for it I only see a couple gamefaqs posts suggesting that, must just be bunk

Yuki

Oh hey, alleyway battle got me a second Destiny Knot.

FAE

10:22 PM

So Battle Chateau is basically "Here, have money, lots of it"

Ben Brocka

It's actually a pretty poor way to make money in the long run, but it's nice when you're starting out

FAE

I just gained like 40k in a few minutes, so that was nice.

I am now a Viscountess.

Ben Brocka

yeah, but you have to wait. it gets less relatively good as it goes on

because the same low level people stick around even as the better people come in

Yuki

@BenBrocka That's... actually kind of the opposite.

You can make ridiculous amounts of money once you reach Duke or Grand Duke.

Ben Brocka

@Yuki Really? I don't find it's worth the time compared to cafe le wow

Fluttershy

10:26 PM

@FAE O_O How are you making this money?

Ben Brocka

How long does it take to get that high? I've gone though 4 sets of trainers without a rank up at marquess

Yuki

@BenBrocka I made about a million dollars profit on Saturday after issuing the money and level writs.

FAE

@Fluttershy Battle Chateau

Fluttershy

@FAE I see...

Yuki

@Fluttershy If you don't remember or haven't been there before, it's on Route 7 to the left of the Daycare.

FAE

10:33 PM

@Yuki he's not that far

Yuki

That's why I said "if you... haven't been there before"...

C-dizzle

10:45 PM

shiny mega scizor looks cool

Ben Brocka

I forgot scizor had a mega

does it make up for scizor gaining 0 BST?

C-dizzle

That's the main reason I wanted to evolve him

0 BST?

Ben Brocka

scyther has the same BST as Scizor

C-dizzle

You mean base stats?

Ben Brocka

yeah, Base Stat Total

C-dizzle

10:51 PM

I can sacrifice a little speed for attack though, because I can ev train for speed

Ben Brocka

nidorina still can't breed. That still makes no sense

Yuki

@BenBrocka The only big thing it gains is special bulk.

C-dizzle

It should with Ditto

Ben Brocka

no, nidorina and nidoqueen can't breed at all

Yuki

So, if you want to run a damaging set, you're better off with a normal Scizor with Life Orb, etc.

C-dizzle

10:55 PM

@BenBrocka I don't see why you couldn't breed her

Ben Brocka

It's the programming

it is not actually possible for either to make an egg

It seemed like a bug but it's persisted through the generations

C-dizzle

And you can't catch a Nidoran (F) in the game, right? You would have to wait until the transfer app is available then, which it stupid

Ben Brocka

they're in hordes I think

C-dizzle

Yup, Route 11

FAE

11:20 PM

hahaha I did not know you could burn your hand on Charizard's tail when playing pokemon-amie

Fluttershy

I need a Cubone... And a Vulpix.

FAE

Huh, there's apparently a max number of poke puffs you can hold

100 is the max.

Yuki

11:47 PM

@Fluttershy I can get you a Vulpix in a sec.

Luckily, I have a Ninetales Safari.

Fluttershy

@Yuki :DDD Vulpix and Cubone are my two favorite pokemon.

Yuki

@Fluttershy Vulpix is so cute.

And Ninetales is so regal looking.

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