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12:44 AM
/poke anybody here?
 
Yep! Hello!
 
hi!
i have a question, but I suspect it's way too opinion-based for the site...
 
Then feel free to ask here.
 
I'm joining a Mage game, and I'm wondering about something. Is that a system you might be able to help with?
Specifically, merits and flaws...
 
i'm not knowledgeable about world of darkness
but I might be able to recognise if and how your question could go to main site
 
12:48 AM
I played a little, several years ago (1st ed)
 
Well, I'm trying to create my character, and just by the names I decided I was interested in the Merit "Eidetic Memory" and the Flaw "Absent-Minded".
 
They sound contradictory
 
Mechanically, they seem...mutually exclusive. As a character quirk, it sounds very interesting.
 
"I remember everything perfectly... except when I forget"
 
I'm trying to decide if this combination is worth doing, keeping in mind that this is my first WoD game ever.
 
12:51 AM
Absent-mindedness isn't necessarily about memory, is it?
 
"You forget things. Roll Wits to remember things."
 
Oh.
 
and Eidetic?
 
That's just named weirdly, then.
 
That's what I remember of the paraphrase my GM used.
 
12:51 AM
I... hm
 
Yeah.
 
Might it be about not drawing connections and realizing what's important, I was going to ask, but...
 
I am, I think, absent minded, and that doesn't mean I forget things, so much as I simply don't think of them, and it doesn't occur to me to think of them, and my attention gets tugged toward other things.
 
I don't remember what the description of Eidetic Memory was, but something about an additive roll to remember something.
 
So, yes, keeping track of things + drawing connections becomes tricky. Remembering things is not exactly the issue.
 
12:53 AM
@doppelgreener And that's what I thought of when I saw the name
 
If you're a dude who forgets things but has a major boost to remember things, you might be investing in two features for no significant net benefit ;P
 
That's what I'm afraid of...
 
@Adeptus That looks familiar...but I didn't read the actual rule, just my GM's paraphrase...
 
12:58 AM
> Absent-Minded (3pt.): Though you do not forget things such as Knowledges or Skills, you do forget things such as names, addresses, and the last time you gained Glamour. In order to remember anything more than your own name and the location of your freehold, you need to make a Wits roll, or, as a last resort, spend a Willpower point. This Flaw may not be taken with the Merit Concentration.
This doesn't sound like it should be called "absent-minded" so much as "severe memory problems" or "borderline retrograde and anteretrograde amnesia"
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@doppelgreener agreed
 
so amnesia + eidetic memory = ?????
 
@doppelgreener a very interesting character which may be too advanced for a first-character-in-the-system player like me
 
1:32 AM
@Wibbs Are Action Cards and Initiative the same thing?
 
> Your character has a near-photographic memory, being able to recall vast amounts of observed detail with astonishing accuracy. You do not normally need to make a roll for your character to remember an obscure fact or past experience, unless he is under stress (such as in combat). ... Though you do not forget things such as Knowledges or Skills, you do forget things such as names, addresses, and the last time you gained Glamour.
While it may not be expressly forbidden by the rules, it doesn't make much sense to have both.
unless you make some arbitrary judgements, eg, you can remember everything but "things such as names and addresses"
 
Maybe you need to make a Wits roll to remember most things, but if you remember it, you remember in stunning detail?
You might not remember much about that gunfight last week, but if you do, you can remember what the street address was, for example.
 
"I was in a library, I think, can't remember which one. I read this book on theoretical physics, don't know who the author was. But chapter 10, page 145, second line, third word, was atomic"
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Lol.
It's going to be a weird combo no matter what you do.
 
 
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2:51 AM
Absent-minded can definitely be used to mean forgetful. However, it can also mean inattentive.
 
@Adeptus I have a very strong desire to play in a game with someone who could pull this role off. It would be very hard.
 
If it were just "absent-minded," I'd say the concept would be most reasonable as "I can remember everything, I just have a hard time knowing what's relevant."
 
Yeah.
 
But the mechanics are more "I can describe the thing I should know, but I don't actually actually know the thing."
 
This actually reminds me of a scene from Sherlock.... something along the lines of Watson incredulous that Holmes didn't know that the Earth orbited the Sun. "I only have room for the important things, Watson!"
 
2:54 AM
Augh, there is a crum under my space bar.
 
Which combination I'd be inclined to flavour as "I have a overactive photographic memory that also gives me false memories, and I have a hard time sorting out which are true."
 
@Grubermensch Haha, yes.
I'm not sure if it was Earth orbiting the sun, but it was definitely something about planets.
 
> Sherlock: Listen: [points to his head] This is my hard-drive, and it only makes sense to put things in there that are useful. Really useful. Ordinary people fill their heads with all kinds of rubbish, and that makes it hard to get at the stuff that matters! Do you see?
> John: [brief silence; looks at Sherlock incredulously] But it's the solar system!
> Sherlock: [extremely irritated] Oh, hell! What does that matter?! So we go around the sun! If we went around the moon or round and round the garden like a teddy bear, it wouldn't make any difference! All that matters to me is the work! Wit
 
For I am both absent-minded and straight up forgetful. :P
Ooh, you mean the TV show. It was in one of the early books as well.
 
Ah yes I did mean the TV show. Didn't realize it was a direct borrowing from the books.
 
2:59 AM
Yep. xD I've never really seen any Sherlock adaptations except like Sherlock Hound. :P
 
@Grubermensch That definitely played out in my head in their voices. :)
 
A Study in Scarlet, that's the one it comes from.
> “What the deuce is it to me?" he interrupted impatiently: "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work.”
 
@Grubermensch Fans would call this being faithful to the original. Critics would call it plagiarism.
 
@Adeptus ... why?
 
@Adeptus Plagiarism is a bit of an extreme argument. These are works in the same lineage, it hardly matters that the authors are different.
Also, [insert tangential rant about the Gutenberg Parenthesis]
 
3:07 AM
@Grubermensch And that's why I'm asking about it here...not sure I can pull it off. This is my first WoD game, and I don't know the system or the group all that well. I really like the concept tho...
 
Pre-1920s Sherlock is in the public domain anyway (at least in the US, cannot speak for other countries). One could still be plagiarizing in a sense if one were to claim authorship of something one didn't write, but the Sherlock show is clearly an adaptation of preexisting (and super well known) works; it's expected that it uses material from the source.
 
we have, as roleplayers, high end dice (artisandice), high end gaming furniture (geek chic), coins to be used as tokens or chips... deluxe cards for just about anything... can i get a high end GM cattle prod? sometimes players just need that
 
@Tritium21 My favorite set of dice is made of amethyst. :v
 
@Alyksandrei It's not really a question of the system, this is 100% having the charisma (real-world) to pull off the act. The only thing I'd worry about system-wise is whether not knowing the rules well is going to mess with your mojo. If you can pull this off out-of-game, then go for it.
 
I have been drooling over PTFE dice
no bounce.
 
3:13 AM
@Tritium21 I had not seen those. Neat.
 
My personal standard for trying weird characters (or really doing anything unconventional in a game) is "In six months, am I gonna have fun telling a story about this?". And if the answer to that question is "probably", then go for it!
 
I'm partial to gem dice, assuming the people I play with are okay with me using them. They do have to be carved so, y'know, none of them are going to be truly 100% random. That doesn't bother me or my group, so I use my super cool dice.
 
3:28 AM
Seeing the probability wonkiness of typical plastic dice, I'm tickled by the idea that some players would be concerned about imbalances in your gemstone dice.
 
Yeah.
 
Unless these people actually require each other to buy casino-grade dice.
 
No one I've played with personally, but some people care more than others.
 
My solution to dice non-randomness, if it becomes an issue in a session, is to switch out between my 17 different d20s each time we roll.
 
Hehe.
 
3:32 AM
I was getting very non-random results until I switched from rolling in my hand to rolling in a cup.
 
I roll either on a flat surface or in a box.
The main downside to gem dice is that some of them are chippable and shatterable though, so I carefully roll. :P
 
We've done non-scientific tests with a player who rolls VERY low VERY consistently.
Using a dice tower reduced his low rolls noticeably, but didn't bring him back up to average.
 
My boyfriend rolls super well when he's playing one character and super poorly when he's playing another. It's pretty funny.
 
@Pixie Oh yeah, I meant how you actually put the dice onto the flat surface. Throwing it from my hand was decidedly non-random, so I switched to shaking it in a cup and then flipping the cup upside down on to a surface. Much more satisfyingly random.
 
@Miniman Ooh, I see.
 
3:35 AM
There is definitely a "how you roll" component: rolling dice is apparently a skill.
 
(Obviously, the mathematician in me is screaming about perception bias whenever I talk about this kind of stuff, but that voice is buried even deeper than my conscience.)
 
Even when the one character, Kass, has been autopiloted during my boyfriend's absence, the GM has rolled high for him pretty consistently. :P
(We're the sort of group who will use run of the mill RNGs anyway, so randomness is not a huge concern.)
 
@BESW My wife seems to have that skill. Either that, or biased dice. She rolls high amazingly often.
 
On that note, I've noticed that the WotC dice roller tends to frequently spit out the same number twice if you make a couple of rolls in a very short period of time, but that definitely may be perception bias. Still, I'm not fond of using that one.
And the roller on Roll20 hated me when I did Shalvenay's oneshot dungeon. Liked my mephit fine. It just didn't like me. :v
 
I have had people not like my online dice...
its /dev/urandom though, so its nothing i could do
 
3:45 AM
@Tritium21 Well, except for the modulus thing...
If you have 2^32 possible outputs, and you try to put them in 6 buckets, you need to clip the top range of your input space otherwise you get a (basically unnoticeable) distortion.
 
Sigh, sigh. I'm running the first forum game I have in a long time. I thought it would work out as there was a ton of interest shown during the planning stages. Then I created the game, and one person who showed interest actually joined. Now I remember why I haven't run a forum game in so long. =w=
 
@Grubermensch Can't you test it easily, by scripting it to roll a huge number of times and count the results?
 
apparently, i am using a mersenne twister, not urandom
 
(I remember doing the same when writing a simple dice-roller program on the Commodore 64 many years ago...)
 
@Adeptus Right, I meant unnoticeable to the normal user. We're looking at a teensy-tiny increase in the probability of low numbers.
 
3:51 AM
@Grubermensch But if it's that tiny, is it any worse than the average plastic dice?
 
(and I am not doing the modulo myself, the language's api does it)
 
@Adeptus No, not at all.
 
the language is old enough to actually have workarounds in the code for that >.>
 
4:14 AM
Has anyone had any experience with Eclipse: The Codex Persona? It's a point-buy system for use with d20 system games. I stumbled across it last week, but haven't had a thorough look through it yet.
 
4:26 AM
Last time I saw a dice bot using Mersenne Twister, I reversed its internal state and started predicting its output >_>
I don't think my GM was very happy about that.
 
@LymiaAluysia python's random.randint is a mersenne twister.
 
It's definitely predictable from... well, you need a lot of output.
1d20
 
@LymiaAluysia -- wow, that's a lot of output
 
4:30 AM
But it's pretty hopeless if you can't roll a die with a large power of two number of sides, so. ^.^
@Shalvenay I believe you need on the order of 2000d8192
 
nods
 
2493d8192 against's Ruby's RNG. It's MT, but, with different output bits from Python.
 
Python, IIUC, seeds the MT with systemrandom (/dev/urandom on unix, windows cryptographic randomness source on...windows.)
 
4:52 AM
@Tritium21 -- which is about as good as you can get for a seed IMO
 
5:27 AM
@Tritium21 Seeding doesn't matter
You can infer MT's state from its output.
And predict all future values.
.. probably past values too.
 
6:19 AM
@DuckTapeAl yep, action cards are the same
 
@LymiaAluysia Not practically, in most cases.
 
Tell that to the dicebot I broke.
 
6:42 AM
@DuckTapeAl might want to take a look at savagepedia.wikispaces.com/file/view/SavagePotter.pdf/81067297. Its a complete homebrew done by a couple of really experienced Savage Worlds GMs, with input from Clint Black, the official Savage Worlds brand manager. If nothing else it could save you a mass of work.
 
 
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8:09 AM
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Q: Two Answers - One Deleted - What's the difference?

gomadMy answer to this question was deleted. Another answer, similar to mine (no actual experience w/ Harry Potter setting, experience w/ campaign similar to the one described), remains. What's the difference? If I add a bunch of links to HP implementations that I haven't actually tried (as the survi...

 
8:22 AM
@BESW so are you saying in your meta answer that the only real difference is that the deleted answer didn't link to any actual examples of the system being used for a Harry Potter game?
 
Yup.
Links aren't needed specifically, though.
 
that makes me feel a tad uncomfortable. I have no knowledge of how the linked conversions actually work in play for example
@BESW so what is specifically needed that my answer has
 
Some sort of citation is needed. Personal experience, a blog post, SOMETHING to back it up.
 
ah, OK
 
Otherwise we just get a pile of pure speculation.
 
8:24 AM
even though I can't vouch for the quality of the conversion linked to? that feels odd O_o
it looks good on paper
but might play terribly in practice
or is that where my system expertise comes in?
 
Your system expertise, and the voting system.
Deletes are for "unsupported speculation."
Downvotes are for "supported but terrible."
 
heh, I wish sometimes these types of question were banned you know :)
 
Oh, they're on a permanent trial period subject to banning with prejudice the instant it becomes clear they're more trouble than the value they provide.
 
I know
wish the trial period would hurry up and end :p
 
But we're really good at answering them most of the time.
 
8:28 AM
its so easy to answer them poorly. I realised after my initial answer that it was terrible, and had to spend quite a lot of time researching actual use in Potter games and selecting examples of games I'd run/played in that met criteria
enthusiasm for your system of choice can be a really bad thing sometimes :)
 
Yup.
 
is there any value in linking to this discussion from the meta question?
 
Mmm, I'll see if I can edit useful bits into my answer.
 
that might be better
 
8:44 AM
Try that.
 
looks good
 
Thanks.
The chat helped me tease out how to say it better.
 
 
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10:54 AM
Ask Lovecraft reminds us that "you can't blame everything on shoggoths. Many things, yes--but not everything."
 
lol
I do think that is an unnecessarily byzantine form of assassination.
 
 
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2:53 PM
Here's the who's who of Lovecraft mythos
@BESW Maybe you could try the old firstname.lastname@company.com, I'd you wanted to complain?
Like azathoth.demon-sultan@outer-gods.com
 
 
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Ben
5:30 PM
Morning some
Evening others
 
5:46 PM
hey there
 
Ben
How goes the day
 
pretty good
 
Ben
Awesome :)
Where are you from?
 
why do you ask? :P
(somewhere in the US btw)
 
<appropriate greeting for local time>
 
Ben
6:01 PM
Just curious :) Making small talk haha
I'm in Aus
 
We need one of those maps with a pin per person
 
Ben
Yush. That's a brilliant idea haha
I could have so much fun with that
 
 
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8:40 PM
[takes notes furiously]
 
9:02 PM
@BESW I still can't grok how that works
 
And in case you missed it, a panoramic photo taken while rolling down a hill. http://t.co/8HdZNjso3l
 
@BESW I still can't grok how that works
 
Lets just say panorama stitching software has come a long way since my dad was doing it by hand in the 90s.
 
@BESW I should write some software to do that....
 
9:33 PM
I have a sudden urge to find a city-building game and hack it to be a datacenter management game
 
> Each morning, roll 2d6. This is the number of lizards, rats, and other vermin which have died in the system overnight.
(I once lost a computer to a gecko that melted itself onto the power supply's circuit board.)
 
ew
just...ew...
 
There were sparks! and bangs! and smells!
 
Oh noooo.
 
9:48 PM
 
9:58 PM
Oh
 
10:58 PM
i.imgur.com/D1hbtrx.jpg this needs a key... i hope my players understand how much work a good map is, even if it is a vector street map
 
 
@Tritium21 Looks awesome
 
What program did you use?
 
@BESW Campaign Cartographer 3 with Annual 5 (2011?). Though I didn't use any features that made it so it couldn't be done in straight FastCAD
one of my players volunteered to map the city. they have restarted six times cause they are trying to use cities 2015 (videogame). I just keep plugging away, adding a square mile at a time...
 
Back in 2005 I used the mapbuilder from Caesar III. With a little Photoshopping it was a good fit for "sense of terrain" maps.
 
11:13 PM
The problem they are running into is... they got an idea from a preliminary map i showed, but they cant do something in the game, and they are just banging their head on the wall
if it makes them happy shrug I still need a map to work off of
 
@BESW Our D&D 5e Gm-to-be is using Civ V mapbuilder
 
Last time I pre-made a map, I did it by hand. Started with Dinotopia as a starting inspiration and moved out from there.
Okay, travel time. I'll be back in about a day and a half, I reckon.
Flights and layovers altogether add up to 25 hours.
 
11:37 PM
I think I might be maturing (as an SE answerer, that is).
 
@Miniman It happens
 

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