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oh I see you did, I thought it was poorly scaled and the the UX was really bad I was testing on a PC browser since the android version never materialized

also it was totally an alpha despite what they called it

Tijnkwan

true

but the movies showed promice

promise

trailers

sillyputty

hey everyone. enjoy the rest of your day, i'm out. =)

Joshua Aslan Smith

@sillyputty PEACE

Tijnkwan

bbye

Pureferret

@sillyputty cya

would want to be ya :p

Pureferret

6:36 PM

Wow Conversation killer

SevenSidedDie

*sigh* And this is why we don't answer questions that are being steadily close-voted: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/59825/…

@Pureferret Just timing.

Joshua Aslan Smith

downvotes for all answerers

SevenSidedDie

Yeah. Now we have a new asker who got what they wanted and will think we're the place to find "what should I do with my plot" advice next time.

Joshua Aslan Smith

ill probably vote to delete it after the waiting period is up

wax eagle

@SevenSidedDie you and Josh and I can kill all 3 if we want? I just cast delets

Joshua Aslan Smith

6:42 PM

the fact hat he best answered an answer and even commented saying thanks means hes never coming back to it

@waxeagle 24hr cooldown from being closed though right?

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith not for answers

Joshua Aslan Smith

ah I mean the question itself

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, we can't delete that, but it doesn't necessarily need to be. The answers on the other hand...

Pureferret

@waxeagle Agreed

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle we can kill the question as 10k rep users

Users with reputation >= 10k (more precisely, the “moderator tools” privilege; 2k on beta sites) can vote to delete questions that have been closed/on-hold for 48 hours. It takes three votes to delete; more if the question is popular, but ten votes at most.

like I said, just gotta wait

185

Q: How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?

What circumstances can cause a question or answer to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? How can a post be deleted? When can't I delete my own post? Can I see a list of my deleted posts? How can I undelete one of my posts? What does deletion mean for a post? How do votes to delete wo...

Pureferret

6:46 PM

@JoshuaAslanSmith I need me some more rep

Joshua Aslan Smith

answer the valid 5e questions lol

SevenSidedDie

@waxeagle Yeah, the question might be salvageable, if asker is sticking around at all. If they're not then no big deal, but if they are, then we do want to redirect them to the Stack Way.

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, I don't mind nuking the question later..just suggesting that the 3 of us could get together and axe the answers :)

Pureferret

@JoshuaAslanSmith Could do....

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle I could be persuaded

SevenSidedDie

6:48 PM

@waxeagle Already voted on the answers. On the off chance the question will be fixed, it should restart with a clean slate for answers. I left a comment asking if they can rephrase.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle @SevenSidedDie the die is cast

wax eagle

@SevenSidedDie cool

woo! premod power collusion! these are your future mods ladies and gents (well...2 of us at least)

Pureferret

rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/59825/…

Help?

wax eagle

nothing you can do now, it's deleted

tbh though, yes. if you answer a bad question, you get beat down.

specially if you do so poorly. It's not behavior we want here

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Pureferret yeah I dv'd the qustion as well

wax eagle

6:52 PM

deleted answers will get their rep back now...it's not a big deal

Pureferret

@waxeagle Woo

SevenSidedDie

@waxeagle The whole site is carrot and stick, yeah. Nobody likes the stick, but can't work without it.

wax eagle

yup

Joshua Aslan Smith

as someone who was overly sensitive about my own first downvoted answer it just happens and getting your nose bloodied is part of becoming a real SE user

SevenSidedDie

@JoshuaAslanSmith The first rule of SE Club is... read the rules.

Joshua Aslan Smith

6:57 PM

exactly

I know on the one hand we should try to be welcoming and friendly and weve had isseus with being to brusque in the past but the pendulum can swing the otherway and we can encourage help vampires and fail to reform bad behavior

Pureferret

7:12 PM

I've just savagely edited the question

Joshua Aslan Smith

yeah most of the actual story doesnt matter

It think theres more to it than that but its a good framework to go from

Pureferret

Yeah I hope it can be build on

there is a tiny nugget of a good question, and op seems to be sticking around

wax eagle

it's currently too broad, but it could go somewhere when reduced to that

Joshua Aslan Smith

lol and he just reverted it

I guess Ill wait to post the edit I was working on

see if he will narrow it down again

even if the question was solid Id still probably edit it as its a wall of text and detail that is outside whats needed

Pureferret

7:28 PM

But with roleplayers

Joshua Aslan Smith

yepz

Pureferret

The question has too much baggage 😞

Joshua Aslan Smith

hahahaha

SevenSidedDie

@Pureferret I think some of it is necessary for context though. For your revision, the only answers it would get is a stamped of "no, never!" and "no, just being separated isn't enough reason."

Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie Fair enough

He's deleted the answer

@SevenSidedDie I think the core of the Q is that this PC has wandered off, and Dunlop is trying to decide if killing them off by, like saying 'Wolves eat you, because you made a poor decision', is ok or not?

SevenSidedDie

7:32 PM

@Pureferret Maybe, yeah, but I can't tell. Especially that "committing DM Fiat" like it's some kind of universal crime makes me think that there's something going on here that's not obvious yet.

Joshua Aslan Smith

It sounded more like from a narrative standpoint no way this PC doesnt get executed and hes conflating story logic with DM fiat

I think he sees DM fiat as any death occuring other than from a save vs trap or in combat

SevenSidedDie

It's hard to tell. Maybe he just wants to avoid feeling guilty? Maybe he knows the player will be angry? Maybe he knows it's not time to die yet (Narrative Logic talking) and he's just stuck for the best way to miracle the fighter out of trouble? Dunno.

Pureferret

@JoshuaAslanSmith Maybe

Joshua Aslan Smith

right Im just guessing on his fuzzy terminology

you guys see his comment?

SevenSidedDie

Aaaand we have Flounce.

Joshua Aslan Smith

7:35 PM

yep

guess he found the delete buton

his last comment was "How do I delete my question AND my account"

Pureferret

:(

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Pureferret NO TEARS

2

circle of life brah

Pureferret

Alas poor Dunlop, we knew you not at all except by your question...which admittedly was a poor fit

3

Joshua Aslan Smith

@Pureferret Gold Star chat comment right there

Pureferret

I feel like I need a skull to hold when I quote hamlet

Joshua Aslan Smith

7:37 PM

good find

SevenSidedDie

My verdict: significant confusion about "fiat" and wanting to get ideas for how to avoid killing the fighter → needed a forum anyway to get sorted and get ideas.

Pureferret

this one seems fitting

Joshua Aslan Smith

right

it felt like a reddit post

Pureferret

@JoshuaAslanSmith Sort of...

Joshua Aslan Smith

have you used the 5e reddit, its like mad max over there

DCShannon

7:56 PM

I'm really bothered that got deleted like that. After seeing your guys' confusion I agree that there was a lot of extraneous information, but the core question was very answerable. Too bad they rage quit.

Joshua Aslan Smith

facepalm rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/59833/…

pretty sure +4 is outside the bounds of the system

close votes

0

Q: What RPG games have randomized yet creative weapons and dungeons,like Diablo but randomized

I can't find any games that have randomized items AND dungeons.Yet I want the items to be unique and interesting. PLEASE just list the games that anyone finds that are completely randomized

random

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah...though +3 was tops for weapons

Joshua Aslan Smith

even legendary swords and whatnot are still +3

SevenSidedDie

@DCShannon Even your answer, as the best of them, was still "these are some ideas." We just don't do that.

Joshua Aslan Smith

@SevenSidedDie Concur

wax eagle

8:06 PM

wow...looks like I actually do get an office...definitely wasn't counting on that...

SevenSidedDie

We also don't want to teach new users to think we do that. And if they want to leave because we don't do that, then this is, ironically, desireable.

Grubermensch

@waxeagle Nice!

wax eagle

@Grubermensch yeah, our HR person saw my coworker moving into his new one and was like "where's [wax's] office" she promptly decided I could have our conf room

Joshua Aslan Smith

@waxeagle its an item from a previous edition's setting, which dragonlance was in 2nd edition

wax eagle

@JoshuaAslanSmith yeah, I kind of figured, not many foci allow for +1 at all in 5e...may have to hunt through items tonight

DCShannon

8:11 PM

@SevenSidedDie Well, actually we do do answers like that all the time. The 2nd-most upvoted answer on my question I was referring to is such an answer, and I've seen plenty of other lists of ways to do things. As long as you can get all the reasonable options in one answer, it seems to be accepted. If we were consistent about it it would be one thing, but it seems to me like questions will randomly and arbitrarily get shot down.

Oh well, if he would have stuck around we probably could have worked something else. I gotta run.

wax eagle

lol, we...could undelete it too...we have that collective power...

(probably not a good question to use that on)

Pureferret

@waxeagle Tempted to re-ask

wax eagle

@Pureferret meh, it might be just as well to wait for an entirely new OP in that situation

Pureferret

@waxeagle Perhaps

SevenSidedDie

@DCShannon If we're inconsistent, we should become consistent on the side of nuking opinion-based questions, not breaking that wide open for more opinion-based questions.

Pureferret

8:14 PM

Will probably have a bunch of questions based on nWoD soon enough

SevenSidedDie

Or put another way: I don't think we're actually inconsistent. Questions that survive usually do because they're answerable from somewhere other than pure opinion.

Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie I find it funny that several SE have tags like off-topic, or soft-question and they are the more technical ones like Serverfault and Maths

wax eagle

@Pureferret yeah, doing that with tags is a really bad idea

Pureferret

@waxeagle shocking even

wax eagle

Serverfault had a lot of problems with tag merges into off topic recently that caused a huge mess of trouble

BESW

8:17 PM

Those Stacks are also larger, and have citizenry less educated on the why of Stack policies, making self-policing more difficult.

Pureferret

@BESW So a combination of being small and....more conscious of SE reasonings?

SevenSidedDie

@Pureferret Yeah, I don't understand those.

Pureferret

@SevenSidedDie and I thought Sci-Fi had problems

cue @BESW explaining about lacking a base problem

SevenSidedDie

@Pureferret Yeah, I think we've got a very active, solid membership that is really keen on learning and applying guidelines, principles, and rules.

Funny, I can't imagine why we'd have that tendency. ;)

BESW

@Pureferret Yeah. A small population is both easier for moderators to guide and more likely to be able to guide itself.

Our mods have done a great job educating the RPG.SE citizenry on why these policies matter, so we're more liable to take agency in enforcing them.

SevenSidedDie

8:23 PM

0

Q: Where can I find a proper library of free adventures for Core and Accelerated?

I can't find a proper repository of premade adventures, and I'm pretty lost as to what I'm going to GM with Fate Accelerated. I'm willing to take Core adventures and try to adapt them, but it's not preferable.

published-adventures fate-core fate-accelerated online-resources

Are published Fate-anything adventures even a thing?

BESW

Yes.

SevenSidedDie

@BESW Now I know. Just seems... unnecessary, since anything can be adapted into Fate pretty much on the fly once you've got skill lists and PCs sorted.

BESW

I've used Aeon Wave as an introductory scenario for players who were maybe going to freeze up at the full firehose of Fate's "you can do anything!" approach to campaigns.

In particular, the half-pre-made PC sheets inspired my approach to PC creation in almost all my Fate games since.

(It's also very nice to have someone do the heavy lifting if you want to game in a genre that you're not totally sanguine about how to evoke.)

SevenSidedDie

@BESW Yes, for unfamiliar settings, that makes a lot of sense.

Pureferret

@BESW Humourous phrasing

badum-tshhh

Tritium21

8:32 PM

My group loves fate, hates creating aspects

Marc Dingena

I have a question that has been bugging me for a long time, but doesn't merit a question of its own on the site (probably because it's a really stupid question). But I always find it hard to figure out the attack bonus of a weapon. Let's say a guard is carrying a longsword +5 (1d8+2). The way I read it, the +5 comes from his BaB and Str, and the +2 on the dmg comes from his Str.

Now what happens if he is slain, and I take his weapon? It's not a +5 weapon. Do I always have to deduce the weapon back to it's original bonus (if any) or am I just reading the initial stats wrong?

lisardggY

@MarcDingena This would be D&D? 3.5?

Marc Dingena

Sorry, Pathfinder

Tritium21

@MarcDingena That is suitable for the main site..

There are no stupid questions, just duplicates

and questions not suited for our Q and A format

Marc Dingena

yeah i couldn't find any good hits, because i don't know concise terms to search on... I tried stuff like "attack bonus weapon derived".

Tritium21

8:35 PM

But you are having trouble grasping a rule after putting effort into trying.

lisardggY

Most stat blocks I've seen, a normal sword with a +5 to hit would be listed as longsword +5 (1d8+2). (Note the italics). If a sword was itself magical, it would be shown as longsword +5 (note the +5 is in italics, part of the weapon name, not the NPC's stats)

Tritium21

so I guess what I am saying is.... ask on the site cause that will cast a wider net

Pureferret

@lisardggY That's still....a little loose

lisardggY

@Pureferret Loose, but a guideline, something to look out for.

Marc Dingena

I'll formulate it into a question then. Thanks for having a look.

Pureferret

8:37 PM

Here's one: "Can you make an Osirisian Promethean without discarding the 13th piece?"

promethean-the-created

lisardggY

Actually, it's even clearer than that. For magical weapons, Paizo seems to prefix the weapon's plus, so it's, for instance:

> Melee +1 longsword +14/+9/+4 (1d8+2/19–20) or mwk dagger +14/+9/+4 (1d4+1/19–20)

Magical items are both italicized, and their magical power listed before the base name, so it's clearer.

Marc Dingena

So that +14/+9/+4 is then always because of the carrier's stat block, not inherent from the weapon?

lisardggY

@MarcDingena Exactly. The weapon is just as it is listed - a +1 longsword, meaning it adds +1 to its wielder's attack and damage rolls. Nothing more.

SevenSidedDie

@MarcDingena That's from the stat block, but including the weapon.

Marc Dingena

I think my level 3's are now walking around with vastly overpowered weapons... Funny, because they still can't hit for shit...

SevenSidedDie

8:41 PM

Taken away, what is it? It's a magic +1 longsword, like it says on the tin.

lisardggY

Weapons don't have inherent pluses to hit. These come from a character's BAB, attributes and any other modifiers applied.

SevenSidedDie

@lisardggY (Unless it's magic.)

DuckTapeAl

@MarcDingena The +14/+9/+4 in both cases that @lisardggY lists includes a +1 enhancement bonus, since one of the weapons is a +1 weapon, and the other is masterwork.

Marc Dingena

@lisardggY That's where it got me confused, because I thought it was, by masterwork of by magic

lisardggY

@SevenSidedDie Of course. "weapons", in general. A longsword doesn't give more pluses to hit than a dagger or an axe. Pluses to hit isn't a quality of a weapon (in PF. Some systems do have that)

SevenSidedDie

8:43 PM

@lisardggY Right, yes.

Marc Dingena

So... if it was a character without any bonuses, a magical weapon would be written as +1 dagger +1?

lisardggY

@MarcDingena A character with +0 BAB, +0 STR modifier and no other modifier? Yes. Something like:

> +1 dagger +1 (1d4+1)

Marc Dingena

Magic always applies to both attack and dmg rolls? (I run an unusual low-magic campaign, and I'm just about to crack open the magic jar, so that's why)

lisardggY

The original stat block I linked to comes from Paizo's NPC codex, for a 16th level character with STR 12 - that's a BAB of +12/+7/+2, +1 from STR and +1 from the magical sword.

@MarcDingena Yup - both attack and damage

Marc Dingena

All you guys rock by the way :D

lisardggY

8:48 PM

Masterwork gives you +1 to hit, but not to damage, and it doesn't stack with enchantment bonuses.

BESW

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Q: What is the limit for the Masterwork Bonus?

Are Masterwork weapons limited to a +1 bonus, or can the bonus go all the way to +5? The reason I ask is the books usually refer to items with a bonus as magical items, but the books also say that all magic weapons and armor are masterwork.

dnd-3.5e weapons

Marc Dingena

Okay so I feel a bit stupid posting this question on the site now that I've been told the answer....

Pixie

Hey, it can be useful for people in the future that way (more readily than chat archives).

'cause I would have been awfully confused myself.

BESW

I'm surprised it doesn't seem to have been asked already.

Marc Dingena

Me too :P Because usually when I have questions and feel lucky to score some rep for it, it's already been asked before :P

SevenSidedDie

8:51 PM

That there is a nice, clean question.

Marc Dingena

Now a question for chat, how can I correct my cockup by giving my low level campaigners overpowered weapons? :P They did get themselves captured though, I guess I can just strip their gear.

Pixie

How overpowered, and how quickly do you expect them to level?

Marc Dingena

I don't want to start next session going like "yeah remember that +5 crossbow you took last session, that's a +0 now..."

Admittedly, we were all still pretty boozed from the night before and I think one of the Str / BaB deductions went a little hazy, and the bows ended up with +5 and I wasn't even mad.... Now I have something to clean up...

Pixie

Ah, yeah, I see. I don't have any useful advice as I haven't ever really played in anything but low magic games, so I don't know the relative impact of a +5, not having had any of them.

Hmm. The time has come to decide whether I want this 3.5 character to be an elf or a helf. Elves are... kinda just better, but I like half-elves. :P

lisardggY

@MarcDingena You're saying you're only now letting magic into the setting? In that case, there are no set expectations yet, and you can play with it. Have their magic fluctuate. Was it +5 yesterday? Well, it's +1 today. Maybe the magic went away. MAybe it's linked to phases of the moon.

BESW

8:56 PM

Easy, you bring them into the decision-making process: "Hey, guys, turns out I was mis-reading the stat blocks. Those items you looted were supposed to be [actual enhancement value]. I think that's going to majorly screw with the balance of the game. Do we care about that? If so, how do you want to fix it?"

Marc Dingena

I just made them level too... I take from Pathfinder what we like, and what we don't like is XP for fights. We just level up every so often, when there is a point in the story where it makes sense for them to have learned from their adventures.

Pixie

Yeah, BESW's got a point. Honesty may be the best policy here.

lisardggY

@MarcDingena That's probably the most common house rule I've encountered for D&D/PF. So much so that they officially acknowledged it in 5e, IIRC.

BESW

Come into the conversation with some ideas, like just flat-out ret-conning the whole thing, or making wild magic in that area a plot point (so that when they leave the place, the values go down).

Marc Dingena

@lisardggY That is a good suggestion, but unfortunately the bows aren't explained as being magically enhanced. In fact, there is no magic yet, but there will be. I'm introducing a new player to the table next session, and I hope they will play a spontaneous caster. The campaign has been ramping up to "magic are fairytales, but weird shit is happening more often lately".

lisardggY

8:58 PM

@MarcDingena In that case, I'd go with @BESW's ever-sensible suggestion.

Pixie

Mistakes happen, communication is always helpful, etc.

Marc Dingena

I think it'd be fun for them to wield some overpowered weapons for a bit.... they have been having really, really really bad rolls lately...

i could throw in a second wave of guards if it looks like they're having a cakewalk with these new weapons

seeing as they're captured now, and in the encampment they will meet the new player's character, also tied up, it could get interesting to bust out of there A-Team style

BESW

Well, keep in mind that because of the way numbers scale in PF, at a certain point adding more trivial enemies doesn't make the encounter any less trivial.

Marc Dingena

Thanks for your help, all :)

Good night

Tritium21

rpg.stackexchange.com/help/badges/40/great-answer

I notice a trend with the type of question there...

lisardggY

9:10 PM

@Tritium21 What, they're mostly opinion-based?

It's nice that Question #1 has an answer on that list.

Tritium21

They are, at a glance, "talk to your damn players like human beings" questions

lisardggY

They're universal questions (and answers), and not system specific, which makes them accessible to a larger audience of readers.

And yes, when you ask gaming questions that aren't about any particular system, interpersonal relations become the #1 issue. :)

Tritium21

(10/13 questions are at least)

lisardggY

I am seriously considering hiding all system tags from my front page.

Tritium21

I should hide D&D 5

it feels like 9/10ths of all questions now are 5e

lisardggY

9:15 PM

Wouldn't know. Hiding it. :)

I hardly care about the mechanics for the systems I'm actually playing, much less ones I'm not.

Hmm. Hiding most popular systems (PF, D&D>=3e, Shadowrun, WoD) leaves me with general questions, universal questions, mistagged questions and questions about rarer or obscure systems. Kinda nice.

True, 5 of my top 10 answers are to questions I wouldn't see with my current settings, which is a shame - because they're (mostly) the sort of system questions I do like.

BESW

@Ceribia Hi!

Pureferret

@Ceribia Hello!

lisardggY

(Either that or basic system questions that I simply happened to stumble onto first)

Anaphory

Good Evening!

lisardggY

9:30 PM

@Anaphory Indeed!

Pureferret

@Anaphory Indeed it is

GMT?

Anaphory

Yes

Pureferret

@Anaphory snap

Anaphory

well, technically WEST, so +1

Pureferret

:o

Anaphory

9:37 PM

I'm running a LRP (based on Blood and Tears) next weekend, for the first time, and spent sooo much work on it already, without even doing any physical prep yet…

Pureferret

@Anaphory Thus is larp

Anaphory

Thus is LRP if you first try to reskin and simplify the rules, in particular.

Pureferret

@Anaphory Oh man....

Anaphory

It's a test for GameSoc invites Steampunksoc, so it better be somewhat steampunk…

Pureferret

@Anaphory Ahh that's true

Arrow is definitely a Fate game,

DuckTapeAl

9:47 PM

Oblique reference: I'm reminded of a three hour argument I had with a previous boss about whether the SCA was LARPing or not.

Pureferret

@DuckTapeAl My guess would be not

DuckTapeAl

My argument boiled down to: They're definitely roleplaying, and it's not played around a table, so the best term to describe what they're doing would be Live-action Role Play.

Pureferret

@DuckTapeAl Does SCA roleplay?

DuckTapeAl

Yeah. They have like, kingdoms and stuff.

Not fantasy, but more realistic medieval stuff.

Anaphory

And they have rules about it, don't they?

Pureferret

9:50 PM

@DuckTapeAl then it's LARP

Anaphory

The boundaries towards Reenactment/Experimental Archeology/Improv Theatre/... are difficult.

But if it has rules, there is good reason to consider it some form of Role Playing Game.

Also, was it merely an academic discussion, or was there a point where it would have made a difference whether it's LARPing or not?

Pureferret

I'm getting mixed up over PtC

Do the Lineages have a leaning towards transformations, or just the Refinements having that leaning?

DuckTapeAl

It was academic.

It basically boiled down to the fact that she had bad experiences at SCA events, and didin't like either the game or its players, and thus wanted to push it away as 'not a LARP'.

I think mainly because it's supposed to simulate real medieval life, and doesn't have any fantastic elements.

Pureferret

I think what's throwing me is that the x-splat normally gives the powers, not the y-splat

BESW

Ursula Vernon's first post about her African journey is interesting, but for folks like us who often try to create the illusion of a fictional language being real--"Sometimes a word falls off your language."

Pureferret

9:59 PM

@Miniman yo ho ahoy

Miniman

@Pureferret Hi!

Pureferret

@Miniman you have any expertise in nWoD?

Miniman

@Pureferret I've heard of nWoD...

Pureferret

@Miniman It's a start I guess....

nWoD people don't seem to hang out in chat

Miniman

Maybe the atmosphere isn't gothic enough?

Pureferret

10:04 PM

@Miniman We need a dark theme

With animated dripping blood

lisardggY

And dice so marbled and dark you can't actually read what's on them.

Contrast? Contrast is for happy people.

2

Pureferret

That's a start

lisardggY

I'm not kidding, I've had those, they're terrible. The gold fades quickly and becomes illegible. But hey, they have bloody tips.

BESW

@lisardggY I've often found this amusing, given the originating philosophies of the gothic subculture.

Also, what is it with gold-on-green dice? My first set of dice (a present) was gold-on-turquoise and it was nearly illegible before the paint started coming out.

lisardggY

Marble! Rot! Blood! Soul!

BESW

10:12 PM

@lisardggY Dumbledore's opening-feast remarks get stranger every year.

4

lisardggY

@BESW At some point someone will realize it's just a magical automaton repeating Markov-chain permutations of previous Dumbledore speeches.

DuckTapeAl

Happy happy boom boom swamp swamp swamp!

Pureferret

@lisardggY Oh wow....

BESW

@DuckTapeAl Vengaboys' new album is pretty good!

lisardggY

@Pureferret The '1' is a rose, of course. Or is it the '0'? I could never remember and had to look at the adjacent sides to be sure.

DuckTapeAl

10:14 PM

Is that a Vengaboys thing?

BESW

@DuckTapeAl I get Vengaboys and Aqua mixed up, for reasons that should be obvious.

Pureferret

DuckTapeAl

I was just referencing HPMOR.

Pureferret

Look familiar @BESW?

DuckTapeAl

Close votes, probably: rpg.stackexchange.com/q/59843/3195

BESW

10:18 PM

@Pureferret [gibbers in a corner] A black stroke does not make it okay to put your text on high-contrast marbling.

Pureferret

@BESW 👍

lisardggY

@BESW Well, WW never did care much about the text and its readability. Or copy-editing. Or editing in general.

BESW

@lisardggY So I hear.

lisardggY

Ooh, glad to see Garfield Minus Garfield is still up.

Pureferret

@lisardggY Onyx Path seems better with their IP

lisardggY

10:25 PM

@Pureferret What, no See Page XX?

Pureferret

@lisardggY Not that I've seen

@lisardggY has something to do with early access pdfs, then PoD when errors spotted

BESW

Ah, but you see, page XX is the 13th floor of White Wolf books: it doesn't exist, but if you somehow find it anyway, strange and unseelie truths will be revealed.

Ask Lovecraft has opinions about the Force, and nearly corpses himself.

Now I have to put a cocoademon in one of my games someday.

Shalvenay

lol @besw xD

although that question brings up something that bugs me -- "demon" and "daemon" get conflated in fantasy contexts far too often, when they originally referred to very different concepts

DuckTapeAl

What's the difference?

lisardggY

Greek daemon were spirits of places.

Shalvenay

10:33 PM

@lisardggY -- yeah, I was about to go there :) demon has always referred to some-evil-thingy AIUI, while daemon was originally used to refer to some sort of helper-spirit in the Greek mythos (which is why it was adopted as a piece of Unix jargon referring to server-type processes)

lisardggY

Wiki phrases it "Daemons are benevolent or benign nature spirits [..] similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature or the deities themselves"

Shalvenay

so Chaotic Good/Chaotic Neutral -- definitely not Chaotic Evil!

lisardggY

Although it does seem that Cacodaemons, specifically, seem to preserve the original etymology - the term was used in Greek for the evil type of daemons, as opposed to the good-natured Agathodaemon.

...or so wikipedia instructs me.

Daemon (classical mythology)

The words "dæmon" and "daimōn" are Latinized versions of the Greek "δαίμων" ("godlike power, fate, god"), a reference to the daemons of ancient Greek religion and mythology, as well as later Hellenistic religion and philosophy. == Description == Daemons are benevolent or benign nature spirits, beings of the same nature as both mortals and deities, similar to ghosts, chthonic heroes, spirit guides, forces of nature or the deities themselves (see Plato's Symposium). Walter Burkert suggests that unlike the Christian use of demon in a strictly malignant sense, “[a] general belief in spirits is not...

Pureferret

@lisardggY Sounds like a wikimancy incantation

BESW

Linguistically, demon is distinguished as a Christian interpretation of the Greek daimōn. It's part of the cultural assimilation of non-Christian spiritual concepts into the Christian worldview, by slotting the Greek notion of daimonion (which wasn't always even a personification or individualistic concept) into a distinctly Christian notion of spiritual reality.

DuckTapeAl

10:38 PM

Is there a way to look for deleted questions?

JohnP

wait, there's such a thing as cacao demons? Is that why my hot chocolate tastes funny sometimes?

BESW

It's strangely egalitarian, in a twisted-up-in-knots kind of way: the Greek belief in some spiritual force they called daimonion was not rejected by Christian thought, but instead just had to be found a place where it made sense within the Christian canon.

Pureferret

@DuckTapeAl dataexplorer?

@DuckTapeAl data.stackexchange.com ?

BESW

(Similar to how local heroes and deities would often be assimilated as saints.)

DuckTapeAl

I don't know what that is, but I'll check it out.

Miniman

10:40 PM

@BESW I read that as Dame Onion. She makes everyone cry.

lisardggY

@DuckTapeAl I remember there was an advanced search command for it, but I can't remember what it was