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12:03 AM
@Metool Did you mean the Negative Energy Plane?
 
1:00 AM
@Lord_Gareth I didn't mean anything.
 
@Metool probably just a typo then
 
1:26 AM
It is the time of year when I mention the huge sale on my holiday cards, honey badger prints, mugs, shirts, etc! http://haikujaguar.livejournal.com/1438418.html
 
1:42 AM
so...anyone taken the issues with inspiration back up now that the 5e DMG is out? I just picked up the bookset myself, but didn't pay that much attention to the inspiration rules save for noting the option for the GM to abstain from the mechanic, letting he players handle t
*the players handle it
 
Let's pre-emptively dump that hash into the overflow, eh?

 D&D 5e Overflow

For when main chat wants to talk about other things too.
 
@BESW: ty
 
[casts "Spamify" on the post]
 
(This one's more disjointed than most; she's not even consistent about how she got in touch with Dr. Spirit.)
(Unless Google is her close friend, which I'm not discounting; Spam bots can't be picky about who they hang out with.)
 
yeah
 
3:17 AM
(Distressingly bad website for the product....)
 
I've seen that... it's too limited for my needs, and frankly kinda backwards in the tech it uses for what it actually does do.
It was cutting edge, and then everything moved faster than it could keep up.
[shrug] Doesn't project like I want it to, so it's moot.
 
I'm not aware of any better methods for tracking objects on a surface.
 
Maybe it's been updated? I stopped paying attention to it back when it was the Surface.
 
The projection gripe is fair, though these are commonly linked together with standard displays/projectors.
See: various police procedurals screened on CBS which actually use these.
@BESW It's using the image sensors distributed all across the screen, which I think is what the original used too. This allows them to use fiducials, which imo are the ideal way to track known objects over a surface.
Also would work well for rolling dice on the table.
 
Urgh, I would absolutely cringe every time the dice hit the surface.
 
3:28 AM
Might be best to move this back to the general chat...
 
you have a point @AgentPaper
 
::grumblegrumblegrumbleFwooshgrumble::
 
It's a table, it's meant to do table things, like have weighty stuff on it. Wouldn't use metal dice, though. That would be scary.
 
M'rr?
 
bloody spam.
 
3:30 AM
Oh, yes.
We're getting pretty good at smacking it down, I think.
 
::grumblegrumble::
 
[gripe moan complain]
Hey, that's fun.
16 messages moved from D&D 5e Overflow
 
@BESW Yeah so not those. Honestly I don't even want those touching my hands, much less a table that costs as much as a car.
 
3:50 AM
@BESW Those dice put the "die" in die.
 
@BESW There are some things of which we do not speak.
 
@Grubermensch Those who deny their mistakes are unable to re-roll them.
 
DARKNEEEEEESE
[Rubs coal off of his knees]
They got so dirty
 
@Lord_Gareth -- what were you doing? unloading a coal gondola by hand?
 
@Shalvenay No, I was mis-typing my standard greeting and ended up with something that's most closely pronounced as "dark knees"
So, ahem.
DARKNEEEEEEEESSSSS
 
4:06 AM
haha
hrm -- I'm thinking about omitting the background page on the character sheets for the 5e 1shot I'm putting together -- you think that makes sense, or should I leave it in "just in case"?
 
4:27 AM
[waits for friend]
@Lord_Gareth poke, how's things?
 
@Metool WoWing
 
neat
 
@Lord_Gareth: hahaha. WoW -- the game that killed its own genre
 
@Shalvenay I've heard a lot of different arguments for why WoW is bad, but "killing MMOs" is a new one.
 
@AgentPaper -- the rush to follow WoW to the pot at the end of the rainbow sent all the creativity rushing out of the genre
 
4:35 AM
That seems like a false argument.
WoW greatly expanded the MMO market, so even if it made the percentage of bad MMOs higher, it's unlikely that it made there be less creative MMO projects overall.
 
That seems roughly analogous to saying the rush to cash in on the d20 System ruined all RPGs during the d20 boom/bust period.
 
Anyways, there's plenty of creative MMOs out there. They just aren't as big as WoW.
Mostly because the MMO market isn't big enough for more than one huge MMO like WoW.
It can handle one big one, and a bunch of more niche ones
At least, for the US market. There's other big ones outside the states.
 
I feel like invoking Sturgeon's Law.
 
I'd also argue that there wasn't much creativity going on before WoW either. There was basically just Everquest with the same dominance but over a smaller market.
 
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4:52 AM
@BESW 90% of Sturgeon's Law invocations are crap :P
5
 
[grin] Perhaps, but in this case it's easily invoked as "more MMOs means more junk MMOs, but not necessarily a higher ratio of them."
And beyond that, more generally--just because a lot of stuff is junk (even if it's all the most visible stuff) doesn't mean everything is junk.
Only the Sith deal in absolutes, and so forth.
 
Oh, I agree with you.
But you set it up so nicely, I had to deliver.
 
You're... welcome?
 
5:23 AM
sweet sweet delicious down votes
@besw hello
 
Hey. What's up?
 
oh just saying hi since i am on at a time thats more "your time" than mine
and I havent been on that much lately
that 4e trebuchet question had me laughing
 
It's a bizarre mix of paradigms
 
especially the answers from all the people whove never played 4e
 
(problem endemic to the site)
 
5:28 AM
Evening everyone!
 
Afternoon!
 
[wave] What's on your mind?
 
Nothing, just bored mainly. My wife is staying the night at a family members house for a birthday party, so I'm finding ways to distract myself from doing real work
 
Your hair!
Ask another!
 
Fair enough.
 
5:33 AM
take tashio for example, nice guy, he specifically said in chat that he did not play 3e-4e at all hes a 2nd edition and yet he answers
@besw I just showed my wife where guam was
she was like "whoa"
 
Whoa right back.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Yeah, I think people tend to forget that SE answers are meant to come from experts
 
hah
then I explained guam's strategic importance past and present and the benefits to locals of being a territory vs. a state
 
I mean, I could weigh in with "The speed at which a trebuchet projects objects is not survivable, we're talking fly on a windscreen here", but true as it might be it has nothing to do with 4e
and the bottom 3 answers are effectively on that level of quality (or lack thereof)
 
This explains Guam and other US non-states pretty well, I think.
3
 
5:45 AM
@AgentPaper That was incredible.
 
Also talks about the best act ever: The Bird Poop Island Act.
Anyways, if you liked it, I'd highly recommend watching some of his other stuff. He does a similar overview of the UK and I think the Netherlands as well.
 
That awkward moment when you're like - "Shit, I didn't think this through at all, and it's way too late now..."
 
@AgentPaper That was super informative, thanks for that
 
The GB one is pretty great too. "Even though England in particular likes to pretend that it's an island in the mid-atlantic rather than 50 kilometers off the coast of France."
England: BFFs 4EVA USA?
USA: Meh...
England: Yay!
EU: ?!
 
My history knowledge has always been really poor, I think. Same with geography
 
5:57 AM
Mine was, but then I started playing Europa Universalis.
 
My daughter got a world map for a gift and I noticed that Haiti is apparently right off the US coast, whereas I always thought it was in the Pacific somewhere. Made me feel like a complete idiot (probably rightly so).
 
Yep, right next to Cuba. Also: Not actually an island, but rather one half of one.
From the netherlands video: "So despite being separated by Belgium on the European Map, the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the French Republic share a border on the other side of the world on an island so nice they named it thrice."
 
6:24 AM
This is another very relevant one about what the Debt Limit is and why it's so ridiculous in every conceivable way.
Congress to the President: "I'm shocked Shocked... that you borrowed money to pay for what I legally require you to."
 
@KyleS. It's okay, I went to college in the mainland US and met people who thought Guam was: in the Middle East; off the coast of Peru; near Cuba; and not an English-speaking locale.
 
Well, they're right that it's not an English-speaking locale. But then neither is the United States.
 
I got everything from "You speak English very well!" to "Ah'm sorry, darlin', Ah cain't unnerstan' a wurd yoo say."
Also people thought I was British, because I enunciated my syllables.
 
@BESW Yew crahzy keed
 
6:46 AM
@Metool Oh cool! :D
@Shalvenay Sorry, I don't know anything about 5e, haven't bought it just yet.
@BESW My friend thought Guam was in either the Antarctic or the South Pole when we were in middle school. I was like "... what???"
It's been more than 10 years and I still remember this because it was hilarious.
 
Reminds me of this:
image of people guessing where Ukraine is.
 
7:12 AM
I have to admit, I'm not very good with geography at all, and I should study it more. >w>;; But still... she was... very off.
 
7:57 AM
Civilization
That game is responsible for a staggeringly large portion of my geographic and historical knowledge.
[reads timestamps] And.... I am very late to this party.... [slinks off into the corner and hopes no one noticed]
 
lol
 
8:10 AM
@Grubermensch But...Civilization uses random maps, doesn't it?
 
@AgentPaper Yeah but each civ has a couple page article describing its history and other fun stuff. And there are nifty historical scenarios you can play through. Also just knowing the 30-40 biggest cities of each civilization is cool.
 
I suppose. But in EU4 you play as the actual countries on an actual world map fighting over actual pieces of land, so you tend to learn a lot more accurate stuff.
Though, admittedly a lot of it is outdated.
Being that it's about the 1444-1812 time period.
 
8:28 AM
All these sales. I get so indecisive over purchase decisions that I never buy anything at all in the end... or else I just impulse buy. It's one or the other.
 
Pick up Europa Universalis. Lead your great country of Guam to World Domination!
Though, first you'll need to invent yourself a way past those pesky polar icecaps...
 
Yes, of course. A long and arduous journey...
 
I have failed at sleeping.
 
@Mourdos Ah, I know that feeling...
 
Due to being unable to, rather than the usual reason of just not going to bed
 
8:31 AM
Hey, if someone can do it with Ryuku...
 
Being unable to sleep is the worst.
 
8:51 AM
Bah. I can spend a little more (but still less than I'm paying now) to go to a larger RAM package for my Minecraft server, or I can go really cheap for the same size. I don't need more RAM (I have more than enough already), but it's a really good deal, and going for the latter will only be a total of $15 saved per year. Which is better than nothing, but... hmm.
 
You can never have enough RAM!
Actually, you can pretty easily have way more RAM than you need, nowadays.
My desktop has 16GB, and I could expand it to 32GB without much trouble or cost.
Unfortunately, I was stupid and didn't spring for an i7 processor to match the rest of it's beastly specs. Still don't know what I was thinking.
 
Haha, yeah. As far as Minecraft servers go, though, you don't need a ton for the amount of players I have. 1 gig would be sufficient for us.
The question of which computer I'm going to buy is an even more difficult one.
 
I could probably help with that, if you like.
 
No room for a PC, so I'm stuck buying a laptop, not building a PC. :B I have a pretty good idea, and I had almost decided finally, but I lost the model number.
 
What would you be using the laptop for? Any specific price range or budget?
 
9:00 AM
I want one that handles modern games, and what I'd really like I'm not gonna get for under $1000, sadly. Except Lenovo, which I will never buy again (let's just say I've had problems with this current one).
 
Huh, I was going to suggest Lenovo, actually. I'm using a Lenovo y510p right now, and it's never failed me.
Unlike my previous laptops, all of which overheated constantly.
 
This one, in addition to freezing issues that it's had since I got it which have lasted through every kind of diagnosis attempt and a couple of formats, has overheated consistently (turned its cooling paste to dust) and literally began to fall apart, all this with very gentle usage.
 
what model?
 
Ideapad Y570.
My dad builds computers, and he was baffled at their screw setup. That's what caused it to legit come apart at the seams.
 
Must have been a bad one. Did you try getting it replaced?
 
9:05 AM
Built my PC for gaming for £700 four years ago, spent 600 to upgrade a few months ago. Don't get on with laptops
 
I've never had reason to deal with their customer service, so I don't know if they're any good or not.
 
It was, of course, out of warranty before it started the falling apart business.
 
Laptops are pretty reasonable nowadays, as long as you don't need anything too powerful.
 
What I'm looking at is an i7 processor, at least an Nvidia GTX 850M graphics card (860 would be nicer), and it would be super nice if the graphics were upgradeable. I found a Clevo like that, but I can't remember which, for $1100 or so.
I dearly wish I had a place to put a PC.
 
Anyways, you might try this on for size. Has an i7 and plenty of ram.
Not sure how the graphics card ranks, I've never been good with placing those.
 
9:08 AM
@AgentPaper Graphics card isn't what I'm looking for. That is perhaps the most important thing with gaming laptops because you can't upgrade it on the vast majority of lappies, so I'm really looking for one that's going to age well.
But that screen reminds me, I'd kill for a Surface Pro, just for drawing on.
 
How do you rank graphics cards, by the way?
I've never been able to find a reliable way to do so.
 
I look for benchmarks for the newer games I would like to play.
 
On what site?
 
@AgentPaper This is the best I've found. notebookcheck.net
 
Anyways, this is really what fits what you want best, with the i7, the graphics card you want, good ram, and even a touchpad for a reasonable cost...if you're willing to give Lenovo another shot.
For whatever it's worth, the computer I've gotten from them has been very solid, and I've never heard anything bad about them. Obviously that doesn't make your experience not matter, but it is what it is.
 
9:15 AM
Unfortunately, I'm really not... not right now, anyway. This one has been such a disaster. Maybe, maybe if I could go to a store, look at where the vents are, and check out the screw design.
 
lenovo just aren't good laptops
they're not as bad as crap like HPs, but they're not good, either
dell are expensive, but solid and reliable
best value is probably acer or asus
 
This one is getting on my last nerves. :I I've been checking out some Acer and Asus, too. But I'm leaning toward getting a Clevo/Sager from a reseller with a good reputation.
I also kinda want a Qosmio, but they're pricier.
 
What makes you say lenovo makes bad laptops? I haven't seen anyone say anything but good about them before.
(Before today, obviously :p)
 
@AgentPaper I've had 2, and they both died fast
 
How fast?
 
9:19 AM
under 3 years
whereas my dell still works fine after 6 years, i only upgraded cos i wanted to
 
See, that's why I got one, because if you look at what goes into them they're the best value for a gaming laptop. But this one is ridiculous. Having hangup issues instantly and falling apart before it's even 2 years old is just not acceptable, and the falling apart is a direct result of their hinge design; this is not a fluke. I imagine that's something they might have fixed on newer models.
 
Could be. They're a fairly new company, from what I understand. At any rate, I can vouch for the y510p being solid, but I guess that's as much as I can go. Anyways, I wasn't really trying to convince you that hard anyways. I'm looking at other stuff now.
 
Oh yeah, I certainly don't mind your vouching for what works for you.
 
lenovo aren't exactly new
 
I'm just very "once bitten, twice shy" about the brand. :v
 
9:22 AM
Well, new compared to Dell and such.
@Pixie Yeah, I can definitely understand that. I've certainly had that reaction to other manufacturers in the past. (coughapplecough)
 
lenovo and dell both started in 1984
 
Huh. Guess they're just new to me, haha.
 
lol fair enough
 
It got to the point that I couldn't play the games I bought it to play because it was overheating so badly, pretty early on. They designed it in kind of a strange way that requires taking it entirely apart to clean it out and apply new cooling grease, which we had to do twice within a very short period... it still runs kinda hot even now.
On the other hand, my much-abused Toshiba has lasted at least twice as long with zero issues (except a weird rust thing on the mouse button? why would you make a mouse button out of material that rusts???). I've had good experiences with Toshiba stuff.
 
toshiba's pretty reilable
 
9:26 AM
Hence my desire for a Qosmio, but I think I'll be safe with this Clevo retailer, which will be a better deal in the end.
 
One thing to note is that you could buy the y50 through newegg, which I believe would allow you to return it if you found it to be not to your liking. Just an option in case you don't find what you want elsewhere. (and I'm done talking about Lenovo for reals now)
 
True, though Newegg's not as good on deals as it used to be.
 
How would this work for graphics: 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeonâ„¢ R9 M265X graphics
That's on a Toshiba
 
I do not know the Radeon models as well, but some of them are appropriate.
 
What games are you using to benchmark?
 
9:33 AM
With Notebookcheck, I tend to look at all the games and compare them. This one looks pretty sufficient. I'm not sure if it's quite as good, but it'd likely work -- site describes it as "upper mid-range" which is where I want to be.
 
Should note that that's a $1400 laptop going for $850, but only if you're buying it today or tomorrow, so you'll have to decide quickly. :p
Such is the nature of this time of year, haha.
 
What's the model on that one?
 
The laptop?
 
@AgentPaper gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-M265X-vs-GeForce-GTX-860M That card compared to the one I'm looking at. And yeah, the laptop.
 
9:36 AM
@AgentPaper ... somehow I always miss links. :v Thanks.
 
I did disguise it very well.
 
Ahh, a Satellite. It does look pretty solid. Not quite as good of a card as the others I'm looking at, especially when I put the two side by side, but... hm... Amazon claims that it is a dedicated GPU.
 
For whatever it's worth, the site I was using to find these was Logicbuy, which is essentially a coupon magazine sort of thing for tech stuff.
In website form, obviously.
Just a convenient way to look at stuff that is currently discounted. Good first place to check, I got my computer for something like 40% off during a "back to school" sale because of it. Won't always have what you need, obviously.
 
Ooh, that sounds handy. I've been having trouble finding the actual computer sales this year.
 
Of course, you need to be wary of crap that's on there because it didn't sell normally, but there's also plenty of legitimately good stuff, so it's still useful.
Anyways, I need to get to bed. Good luck with your computer purchase! It's always very exciting. :D
 
9:47 AM
@AgentPaper Thanks for the suggestions! Seeya.
 
10:23 AM
G'day
 
@lisardggY hi
 
10:59 AM
@Miniman we have new lenovo computers at work. The funny thing is that our regional dialect has "l'è novo" = "it's new"
 
@Zachiel lol
 
albeit the first o has a slightly different intonation
(lenovo has it like in "all" IIRC, l'è novo has it like in "open")
 
11:13 AM
@Pixie A friend of mine, playing pictionary, tried to have us guess "New Zealand" by drawing Ireland, Iceland and nearby shores.
 
That seems like guaranteed failure.
 
To be fair, he told us he had no idea of what to draw.
 
12:16 PM
So my country (practically) legalized gay marriage yesterday. No longer will our campaigns have to fail because we're too busy fighting for social change!
 
12:52 PM
there's always some social change to fight for
yet, grats
 
It was an unusually tight vote - only two MPs out of the 199 voting ones were absent. 92 voted against the new law, 105 for it.
 
1:32 PM
Slept well for the first time in days. Was a good sleep.
 
2:16 PM
I've slept quite well too, having gotten far more exercise than usually.
No, I haven't had an epiphany about my health. A friend introduced me and my SO to Stepmania and nature took its course... tap-a-tap-a-tap.
 
2:29 PM
ok, arqade's summoner's rift appears empty
people is there but they don't reply
anyone here plays lol, except the little thing in a helmet?
 
Things which tonight's session established exist in our campaign world:
- giant mercenary atomic moles (Canadian?)
- Amazon.com's nuclear fusion program
- mousers (from TMNT) are a common security measure
- a nuclear goldfish
I had planned only the last one.
 
Nuclear goldfish? Is it a... what is it?
A mutant? A goldfish that's also a nuclear weapon?
 
It looks and behaves like a fish, except for being a powerful source of nuclear energy and preferring to live in the heavy water of nuclear coolant pools.
It seems to have appeared without explanation in a Russian nuclear power plant, and is now contained by the PCs' company where they hope to harness it as a power source for their space lab.
It's been named Orion.
 
Woah.
 
Sorry, go back to 'giant mercenary atomic moles' ?
Are they giant, or are they atomic?
 
2:43 PM
Both.
 
Pretty sure you can't be both.
 
They're atomic in the "mutant superhero science" sense.
 
Ah, right. Not atom-sized.
 
They were hired by the Russians to kidnap amazon.com's leading nuclear fusion engineer, and his prototype energy shield, to contain the goldfish before it went critical.
And then this guy went skinny-dipping in the coolant pool:
(He dove in to wrangle the goldfish into the energy-shield cage. He came out Slightly irradiated and Missing "fingers.")
 
3:00 PM
It is fast becoming apparent that my role in this campaign will probably be the straight man. Every chance my players get, they make the world ridiculously awesome or awesomely ridiculous. I can't hope to match them, and I'm better off giving the world some sort of grounding.
5
 
2.00 and I still need to shower...I'm out
 
@Miniman bye!
 
ttfn
Me: You'll need to bypass the electronic security.
Greener: That should be robots!
Dan: I'm thinking about the Mousers from TMNT.
Me: ....YES.
Ben: I HATE those things!
 
3:41 PM
We played a very short test game of Lasers and Feelings.
It was cut too short... couldn't really get much done in that time.
 
heh
 
My character was a bureucrat who wanted to get a promotion in the Interstellar Bureau of Bureaus by resolving the Darcy situation.
"Ahem! As someone well versed in the laws and customs of the Consortium worlds and our unconscious captain's chief advisor in formal matters, I humbly propose that I be chosen as his replacement for the time being."
I wanted to try being a full-blown Laser (rational, cold, calculating, logical) diplomat.
I could make up legislation as I went as long as I succeeded in rolls could describe the laws in sufficient detail :P
 
...and then he sends the ship through a wormhole, only to find out his laws are no good on the other side :P
 
3:57 PM
Oh yeah - a real shame we never got that far!
That would've been fun.
 
time to test your skills at gunboat diplomacy
what sort of ship did he have anyway?
 
I kinda wanted to twist the "smooth talking diplomat" trope a bit by making my character a negotiator who relied more on raw knowledge - laws, customs, all sorts of trivia from all over the galaxy.
The ship's called Raptor, it's a... let me see.
 
yeah -- ICly the rules-lawyer
;)
 
haha
"Horrible Circuit Breakers"
"Let me introduce you to my little friends..." *zaps the Raptor with the full brunt of the Star of Ashmarir's energy-draining firepower*
 
4:02 PM
I was looking forward to playing LaF, too bad the game was cut short.
But at least that's a game easy to get new players into.
 
heheh
(if you're wondering about the Star of Ashmarir -- it's one of these: wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Curse fitted for pure GJ/s energy draining and shielding capability)
 
My character goal was, in universe, to become a three stamp jurist in the Bureau of Bureaus.
 
@kviiri: let me put together the loadout so I can show you what the stats on that thing look like
 
They have a ranking system - newly initiated professional paper-pushers are given a single stamp as a sign of their authority, but as their knowledge rises, they get more stamps as a symbol of their increased prestige.
(it's like military insignia for bureaucrats)
Three stamps already indicates serious respect and four stamps means you're a part of the leadership of the Bureau.
 
haha -- bureaucrats are always fun to torment ;)
 
4:11 PM
Anyway, sauna time.
see ya
 
 
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6:50 PM
Anyone know any good articles on the difference between Fate- and D&D-style RPGs?
 
7:52 PM
@Emrakul define good, or link 'em to BESW instead
 
8:03 PM
Think you'll have enough USB ports with that monster?
 
8:39 PM
o/ @Dorian
 
 
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10:26 PM
Just as a test (I don't actually play tabletop RPGs and don't intend to play them)
2d20+4
2d20
 
3d8+2d6
 
5
2
7
 
1d4/2 +1
...never mind
 
11:29 PM
3d8 2d6
 
7
6
7
 
1d4 /2 +1
 

 Dice roller & formatting tests playgr

The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll ...
 
@BESW your subtitle for that falls short. caltrops need 12d4. So you need 9d4 + 3d4
 
@Dorian Not my room.
 
11:40 PM
Ah, well for some reason it looked like you did the title lol. either way
 
11:56 PM
so, how's your Thanksgiving been Dorian?
 

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