@Phil he has mad a pretty significant edit, not sure it actually fixes it, but at least he's trying

(honestly he's asking a question that is probably a forum question anyways)

@waxeagle the rpg... discourse board... what. [mind blown]

@Problematic nice

very meta

I'm hoping Discourse gets to the "super easy to install on Heroku/EC2/whatever" stage soon, in spite of Atwood's "if you're not on dedicated hardware you're doing it wrong" attitude.

hmm with 2 1 handed weapons potential damage is better. even with power attack.

but that invests more feats.

@Novian is a spiked chain both a double weapon and a two handed weapon in 3.5?

(does 3.5 have double weapons?)

Oooh, a barbarian with a spiked chain sounds AWESOME. And scary.

Spiked Chain is the best Reach Weapon in terms of flexibility

@Novian ah, ok, in 4e you can burn your MC feat slot to make a spiked chain very awesome

2 handed, Reach(Usable on adjacent foes), Trip Weapon, Finessable. make the Spiked chain in 3.5 an very attractive option.

for Most People.

Unless you want to pull some controvercial weapons. 2 handed weapons dont get much better.

Like the Pre Errata Talenta Sharrash.

19-20 x4 D10 Reach Weapon.

the Cheese of all Halfling weapons production.

At least the Talenta are halflings if I remember correct.

its ebberon. who knows?

@Novian in 4e it's a flail by default, two handed +3, 2d4 damage. With the MC feat it gets light blade support, reach and becomes a double weapon with 2d4 on both ends and the stout property for the main hand weapon which means it can be a two-handed weapon.

and it keeps the flail support

....Wha?

i havent done much 4e so my 4e-Fu is weak.

which part didn't make sense, Novian?

@Novian yeah, it's a tiny bit silly, but giving up your MC feat in 4e is kinda huge

First off MC Feat?

@Novian multiclass feat

multiclass feat

...?

I Know not of these feats.

unless you're a bard (or a very specific divine paragon path), you can only multiclass once

multiclass feat = the feat you take to multiclass as another class

I was told Multiclassing in 4e was bad. or at the very least bad to do.

nooooooooo

multiclassing is very very good

hybriding is hard to do well, multiclassing on the other hand is encouraged

it's not a good way to get other another class' powers, but it also qualifies you for their feats

multiclass = you take a feat that gives you training in one skill from the class you're MCing into and some kind of 1/encounter ability; from then you count as that class for the purposes of qualifying for feats, paragon paths, and epic destinies

@Novian light blade support: it qualifies as a light blade for the purpose of powers, feats and other things.

@Novian Same thing with flail

@Novian Stout is a property of double weapons that allows them to be used as two handed weapons

stout property = the main hand end counts as being wielded 2-handed when you want it to (for power attack, powers that require you to wield a 2-handed weapon, etc)

ah.

I will one day master 4e-Fu. till then I must rely on you.

going back to multiclassing in 4e; hybrid is where you pick 2 classes when you first make your character and get some of the class features of each; you also pick from both powers lists when you gain powers, though once you have 2 of any given power type (at-will, encounter attack, daily attack, utility) you have to always have at least 1 from each class (so when you pick 2 at-wills at level 1, you have to take one from each class)

because you only get some of the class features, and some of the ones you do get tend to be weaker than the non-hybrid version, it's very easy to make a hybrid character that can't do anything well

especially since you can easily pick classes that need different ability scores and end up with a very MAD character, which is even less viable in 4e than in previous editions

generally speaking, you should only play a hybrid character if it's a build the CharOp guys have designed/vetted; it's just too easy to end up with a shitty character

Hmm. in 3.5 when you crit is Power Attack Damage Multiplied?

@MadTux Take this with a pinch of salt, as I have never played it, but for recent LotR tabletop roleplaying games, you might want to look into The One Ring: Adventures over the Edge of the Wild.

@waxeagle Indeed, and that was my concern. Ah well, he's accepted an answer now :o)

@Phil shrug I'd usually post a "don't accept so soon" comment, but not really going out of my way for the guy

@Aether @OpaCitiZen gave me an answer with that.

@Aether it looks pricey and I have no idea what it's mechanics look like :(

@waxeagle I think if I did that then he'd only post another rude comment. I say leave him to it :)

@Phil exactly

and honestly it's going to get closed soon

@waxeagle Wow, yeah. You are not wrong.

All I know is that a few of my friends have played. I didn't really go into details of it with them.

@Aether $50 to get started isn't my cup of tea. I might do it now, though I'm more interested in playing things I do have or getting into more novel systems.

But for a new player who doesn't want to drop a bunch of cash, something like D&D red box, or a single book system that runs in that 15-20 range is a good idea

that's an awfully high barrier to entry

@Phil yep

@waxeagle Absolutely. With the large variety of quality games out there for less, $50 (or worse, £40) is a ridiculous price.

@Aether Unfortunately, there are plenty of LOTR super-fans who would probably pay twice that.

@Phil yep

@Phil Ah, yeah. Stick a franchise label on something, then jack up the price. Classic marketing technique.

Looking for soundtrack suggestions for an evil campaign. Feel free to forward your suggestions for ominous orchestral music ...

Phantom of the opera is always solid. Especially if you can get it without voices for a more BGM feel. Personally i would never obtain such a version because I prefer the voices.

Ominous.....Omonios......omnomnonomnomnom

Don't we have a question somewhere along the lines of "How do GM-less games work"? I was pretty sure we did, but I can't find it searching on the gm-less tag or any variation of "gmless".

Are half Giant and Goliath the only races to have Powerful build in the +0 - +1 LA range?

@Novian Phantom is very recognizable though. I try to avoid music my players will hum/sing along with.

Eh, Classics always have Critics.

...I'm not criticising it.

For Being recognisable you are. a minor critiscism.

I love to argue semantics. its a fun activity. but not so much over the net.

Yeeeah, choose your semantic battles carefully here.

@Cat It depends on the kind of evil you want. Nox Arcana has a variety of appropriate albums; the Tomb of the Cybermen soundtrack;

Its less fun because you cant see the persons expression. that and im in a room with Giants and im a little Gnome.

The Dark City soundtrack, various Cradle of Filth albums, the soundtrack from Alien, the soundtrack from The Batman vs Dracula, some of the God of War soundtracks, Prokofiev's "Scythian Suite"...

@BESW If it wasn't for recognisability, I'd also say several of the Final Fantasy soundtrack songs.

as Wise as you are BESW i watch all my words around you.

@Novian good edit.

@Cat Using this stream as-is would be problematic for lack of ability to DJ the tracks properly, but you can get a lot of good ideas for music sources from listening to it for an afternoon: Horror Movie Scores playlist at songza.

@BESW I dont even think Wizend is a word. so edit out was needed. I know not why i typed it.

@Novian Buffy Speak?

@SevenSidedDie That link. I do not think it leads where you think it leads.

@SevenSidedDie Nice to see you in chat, but @Aether's right about your linkery.

Dammit. Lemme try again.

Horror Movie Scores. There, better.

lol

Unavailable outside the US and Canada. :(

Hmm I had text in that.

This is a new favorite evil sounding song that came to mind.

@Aether Well that is an annoying. Region-locking is a feature of our age that I am looking forward to dying a well-earned death.

I don't know a good streaming proxy or location spoofer offhand, but I'm sure there's one that'll work with songza.

@BESW I just so rarely have the chance to sit and chat in semi-realtime. And with that I'll segue into having to go pick up das Kind and bidding good-bye!

@SevenSidedDie ttfn

If anyone finds that GM-less "How does this work?" post I'm thinking of, ping me!

@Novian Hmm... this OST sounds pretty awesome.

That's not it, is it?

@Aether I want the game its from badly. but yes its all pretty good. and not so common.

Not everyone has heard of Gravity Rush.

unlike Final Fantasy and Phantom of the Opera.

@Novian I certainly hadn't heard of it.

....Weird thought. Phantom of The Opera video game.

how would that work

I try to avoid pieces that would be recognizable, or that are very short.

I once had a thought of getting a PSP... now I'm thinking of the possibility of getting a PS Vita to get this. :P

This doesn't mean always avoiding the entire soundtrack of a recognized work: the Alien soundtrack is not well-known despite the movie being popular, and the Star Wars soundtracks feature a lot of good stuff. Just stay away from the Imperial March.

Most if not all of my games are Digital now. I could move easily to the Vita.

@BESW every Living and unborn denizen of every plane of existance knows the Imperial March

I saw this Kickstarter the other week. Definitely looked interesting, at least.

Not entirely convinced of its value for money though

@Novian If The Great Gatsby and Hamlet have been turned into text adventures (they have) then I'm sure PotO can manage. Though it'd be better if it were based on the original book, of course, than on the Webber.

@BESW No, I saw that one. I thought we had a more basic "WTH are these things? How do they work? What do you mean, no GM??!!" kind of question, but maybe we don't.

Ah.

Maybe someone should ask it; that's a good way to get a duplicate to come out of the woodwork.

(I just discovered a recording of a talk on GMless games given by the author of Microscope that is a perfect fit for that non-existent question.)

Though if anyone wants to listen to it anyway:

arsludi.lamemage.com/index.php/511/…

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