Conversation started Oct 30, 2014 at 15:28.
Oct 30, 2014 15:28
@SpartanDonut yeah... I figured that one out. I think the only alternative is to copy game entries from one post to another, but like you said, it's more about fun than winning
@belgin I think i've read that they dedicated an enitre core of the 360 to that effect
one other for input and sound and such, and the rest of the game ran on the 3rd
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@JohnMcDonald I made a graph to maybe prove peoples "think" observations
I don't know how to read this chart
@SpartanDonut The game submitted first got 6 votes, second one got 10, next got 13
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So the first game submitted looks like it got 6or7 votes @SpartanDonut
Oct 30, 2014 15:36
is it 7? something like that
I stand by my original statement
I don't know how to read this chart
oh wait
maybe I get it
the dot represents a game?
so game 2 and 3 were submitted very close together?
data looks pretty well random to me
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Oct 30, 2014 15:38
I see a downward trend. I'll try to actually plot one
I don't think you have enough data points to infer a downward trend
yeah, dots represent games, and the height of the dot represents it's final score
Yeah I'm dumb and don't read charts too good
well, I also made some sql like that last night
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with trendline
Oct 30, 2014 15:42
I think the trend proves the theory wrong, even if its a negative trend
@MLM need more data points really
doesn't really look significant given the amount of datapoints and shallow slope
Not enough data points to draw any real conclusions from
Well, can we overlay the past jams?
Again ignore... I was reading it wrong lol
again...
Time to write a user script that automatically blocks me from viewing charts
Oct 30, 2014 15:43
hahah
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Just to be clear, a negative trend proves that earlier games seem to get more votes. This is a general statement on how to read the graph(ignoring the data at hand and its flaws)
Not really
Proves is an awful strong word
you got "proves" and "seem" in the same sentence there :)
I really don't think 12 data points is enough to "prove" the hypothesis.
(I'll stop saying that now"
Oct 30, 2014 15:46
If anything we have a theory that games that are submitted at the last minute probably weren't scoped properly and could have used more time to be better and as a result they received less votes due to their lower quality ;)
Can you run it for some of the other jams: spring, winter, fall 2013
I already got an idea for the jam, I hope I get words that are compatible :D
@Lasse lol
@Lasse Tell me what the idea is, and I can guarantee it, >.> j/k
lol
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Oct 30, 2014 15:48
Read the second part of my message. That statement was to try to help people reading the graph, not a conclusion. I have taken statistics and realize there is a lot more than just a line to prove it
@MLM Your message is even more confusing. Don't use the word "proves" incorrectly.
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@JohnMcDonald I can, a dump from data.se would help
you mean, you're not using the data explorer?
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@JohnMcDonald I didn't gather the data, it was shared with me in a spreadsheet and I just made a graph
Oh, well... let me make a query
Oct 30, 2014 15:50
@MLM I just plotted 7 random numbers and added a trendline.
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Nice :P
it "proves" that the numbers will keep rising
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We agree, stop arguing. I was trying to give a statement on how to read the graph and that is why I qualified it with ignoring the current data and its flaws.
The statement would be true if there was perfect data and that was the point
Alright, just don't do it again :P
oh, So by-the-fucking-way Youtube supports 60fps VIDEOS NOW!
Are you as amazed as I am?!
Much better.
Oct 30, 2014 15:56
Some SQL and graphs and stuff: Do earlier game submissions get more votes?
@AttackingHobo What a scrubby dub bad kid
Fall 2013 jam:
@JohnMcDonald pretty cool
It looks like the Q value of the system is high and it's ringing into oscillation
Oct 30, 2014 15:58
I hope that youtube supporting 60fps will make publishers care about 60fps more
Winter:
Spring:
Ok so the system gain is too low to maintain oscillation
Where is the feedback path anyways?
All overlaid, based on time since the first post for the jam it was in:
It's beautiful
@SpartanDonut Thanks! (I realized that I screen capped, but hadn't uploaded it anywhere)
Oct 30, 2014 16:10
:P
So... there's a bit of a correlation, eh? Could be that voters come in during the jam, and only vote on what they see and never come back, OR it could be that the earlier submissions have had time to polish and are completely done in good time and thus are more likely to get votes
@JohnMcDonald some kind of combo of both
Probably
I bet there are people who voted and then never came back to the page
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@JohnMcDonald I would agree with that.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:14
We can't really prevent voting until the jam is over without also preventing posts.
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Unless we did a particularly ugly hack.
@JoshPetrie Thats what Constava sugested. Don't allow posts till the jam is done.
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Community wiki, Do they have votes? How do the moderator elections work?
yeah, there's really only 2 ways to do it: 1) Copy all of the answers to a new post for voting (what a pain) 2) Don't use SE
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@MLM Wiki posts have votes, they just don't count against reputation. Elections can only be triggered by SE and only work as elections.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:15
Yea, we'd have to do John's first option basically.
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We let people submit their games into the jam thread, but don't "count" the scores.
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After the jam ends, a moderator locks the post and creates a new thread, posting all the games into it as separate answers.
I can see that getting messy really fast
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I can see how it could be done; you'd have to bake the post beforehand in a text editor or whatever. But yeah. Not pretty. I don't want to do it.
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I think if we want to keep having these we should build software for it.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:17
Separate meta questions. Merged into another as answers? (messy)
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It's really starting to get clunky.
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@MLM Yeah. I'd have to check what merging actually does to the answers too. I've never done it.
@MLM, I'm going to make some minor modifications to a couple of your words if that's alright. Merge some of the word pairs, and remove the parenthesis that is specifying how to interpret your word
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@JohnMcDonald You mean add a dash? No problem with the parenthesis being removed on the one.
Feel free to use the email if you want to clarify
Oct 30, 2014 16:36
Well I've got a rough prototype of custom game jam software that lost interest after I went on vacation this April.... I'm very willing to develop this if an individual or small committee would like to provide requirements that I can work closely with - gamejammed.com/GDSESpring2014
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What is it built in?
MS MVC. I forget which version of MVC and EF I'm using right now
I think the SE API even allows me to authenticate users so we could implement a "Login with SE" type functionality
(or require it)
And when I say "allows me to authenticate users" I of course mean the way that OAuth works which isn't actually me doing the authentication...
 
Conversation ended Oct 30, 2014 at 16:39.