Nov 16, 2023 22:14
I'd get EVERYTHING in writing before sending them ANYTHING. It sounds like they're trying to skirt a law or contract requirement. Also, it would be helpful to know where you are. In many European countries, and in some US States, you already have enough for legal action, and I'd recommend contacting an employment attorney ASAP.
 
Nov 6, 2023 17:58
@user142083 Yeah, I should probably say "incorrectly," not "wrong." I'll edit.
 
Feb 12, 2022 05:00
This is absolutely accurate. As an aside, The OP gained 50 times as much respect in admitting to and accepting that they made a mistake than they possibly lost in making the mistake. Mistakes are inevitable. Maturity and honesty are invaluable.
 
Dec 31, 2021 11:33
I'm surprised they don't have you take a pre-employment physical as a condition of employment if their physical demands are so stringent. This does seem fishy.
 
Oct 4, 2021 19:55
I always ask a recruiter to send me a copy of what they sent the company so I would know what they've seen. Recruiters will polish/edit resumes to fit the job being offered. If they start making things up, time to stop working with that recruiter.
 
Mar 29, 2021 21:24
I have seen one policy like that at a company that handled a very high amount of financial data/transactions. I was to work in an air-gapped network, and I would have a locker for all personal belongings and nothing would be allowed into the work area. Given the very sensitive nature of what they did, it made complete sense. Context matters.
 
Dec 24, 2020 19:09
You need to engage an attorney. InternetAdvice™ is not what you need, today. Given your girlfriend engaged in the conduct, it's not looking good.
 
Mar 10, 2020 12:16
The last paragraph needs to be read 7 or 8 times. The CEO is severely unhinged, and I suspect clinically paranoid. A licensed psychiatrist or psychologist needs to make that call. Anyone who is properly grounded in reality would realize the US's annual influenza infection and death rate far exceed anything of this COVID-19 outbreak. I will all but guarantee this will not be the last expression of power-mad paranoia from this CEO.
 
Nov 9, 2019 08:44
Never sign ANYTHING without compensation. Ever.
 
Oct 29, 2019 16:40
Late pay and promised overtime money not showing up? You're on a sinking ship. You have no "moral responsibility." Integrate those two things into your understanding of your position, and then act accordingly.
 
Oct 18, 2019 11:56
@ilkkachu - And power. One LCD monitor isn't a big deal, but if you're adding 200, you may want to consult your electrician(s), first. Back in the days of big honkin' CRT's, it made a difference in both power consumption and heat load (air conditioning) in larger setups.
 
Sep 2, 2019 14:31
@paqogomez - OMG, did you honestly jump into The Workplace just to drop that one? I'm honored. :)
Sep 2, 2019 14:31
+1 There is not a single developer on the planet who couldn't spend 30 minutes filling in the documentation in the code productively.
 
Aug 30, 2019 13:05
@Bridgeburners - Your characterization completely ignores creativity. Leaving aside art, for the moment, I'd invite you to review Bloom's Taxonomy, specifically synthesis and evaluation. Analysis, also, is not covered in what you state. Contextual awareness and inference are still "fuzzy things" only a gray lump or neurons are good at.
Aug 30, 2019 13:05
@Kevin - Not condescending. Honest. What many call "empathetic" is actually just patronizing. Look at #2, #3, and #4 here: qz.com/work/1525595/… Especially #3. I've seen entire companies taken out by this one.
Aug 30, 2019 13:05
I'll clarify for both of you: There are people with no real skills who memorize task lists, and just execute the tasks, without any comprehension of context or what their function actually produces / accomplishes. Their work is limited by their lack of ability to tasks that can be reduced to 1,2,3, if this then that. Those tasks are RIPE for automation. The point of automation is to take people who do those tasks who DO HAVE skills and free them up to use those skills more productively.
 
Aug 15, 2019 06:34
You can always go old school and print it out and take it home.
 
Apr 23, 2019 18:16
@IamtheMostStupidPerson - This happens. It's happened to me. I don't like to touch people casually. A handshake when we meet, and that's it until I shake your hand when you retire. When a man does this, sh*t hits the fan. When a woman does this, you're supposed to just "laugh it off" even when it gives you the creeps.
 
Feb 22, 2019 02:58
@Darkwing - Yes, exactly. Maybe you're too emotionally invested in "proving me wrong" to understand, so here's someone else to fill you in: employment.findlaw.com/employment-discrimination/… Pay particular attention to point #3.
Feb 22, 2019 02:58
@Darkwing - I wasn't even attempting to address the morality of the situation. It was clear that he intended this to be an "exchange," thus the term is used correctly. The fact that the "exchange" wasn't agreed to beforehand is only part of the inappropriateness of the situation. I used the term properly.
Feb 22, 2019 02:58
@Darkwing "quid pro quo - a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something." Whether or not it was agreed upon or even appropriate, it is clear he expected 'something' in return. And I see my original comment has been removed. I love it when I get people mad. It means I've said something that needed to be said. Thank you all!
Feb 22, 2019 02:58
Quid pro quo is a heck of a lot different than flirting. I believe you need to edit your post to more accurately convey the situation.
 
Feb 14, 2019 21:03
You should take your question, substitute "girlfriend" for "software developer," and "boyfriend" for "salary or position." Read it to yourself slowly 3 or 4 times. Now you know who your manager really is.
 
Feb 4, 2019 16:49
Perhaps you should be relieved he didn't interpret EOD to be its other common meaning: Explosive Ordinance Disposal.
 
Feb 2, 2019 14:44
@only_pro - Yeah, I've seen this video before. He's leaving a lot out. Damages to the dressing room exceeded $10,000 in 1980's dollars. FWIW: He had the floor prepared for the stage. This video is pretty revisionist, actually. Of course, I worked with the promoters, and didn't work this tour (was before my time).
Feb 2, 2019 14:44
@Blrfl - Yes. I personally know a promoter who fell victim to this. But this company isn't Van Halen. It smacks of arrogance and delusions of grandeur.
Feb 2, 2019 14:44
Do you have them remove the brown M&M's too (ala Van Halen)? Seriously, this is jouvenile.
 
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@DanNeely - Someone just figured it out. It was a cell phone number for a former employee who was FROM PA, originally. I just blurred everything - we're getting off track, here.
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@Mr.Mindor - I'd never even thought of that. Funny story - I just asked our Ops guys what that number was for. No one knows. The label pre-dates everyone in the department. The longest-term person's been there over 4 years. We're all having a good laugh about it at the moment.
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@djsmiley2k - So it's true what they say: The sun never sets on Health and Safety ...
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@calebjay Everything up there pertains to television programming that was broadcast 2 months ago. It was all on TV. :)
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@JoeStrazzere - Fair enough. I'd call that "Option 2 by proxy." :)
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@thursdaysgeek - If you find the answer to that, you'll be rich beyond the dreams of Avarice. Control freaks thrive on denying others what they want. It's a very strange combination of jealousy, insecurity, and a little Schadenfreude for spice. My preferred method for dealing with these types usually involves removing them, not managing them.
Dec 19, 2018 22:05
@someguy - Yep. Grand Rapids, Michigan (main office). But it's not development. It's in Ops. Entry-level stuff right now.
 
Dec 19, 2018 22:04
@SethR - "'If I let you do it then I'll have to let everyone do it' - I fail to see the problem with that." I see the problem with that. Hint: It's not the monitor.
 
Dec 9, 2018 02:25
@jcmack - You REALLY don't want to do that (put them in unmarked bottle). If they're any sort of controlled substance, and they're not in a bottle with a prescription label with your name on them, police can overreact.
 
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Richard - Congratulations, you've just reinstituted indentured servitude. Only a lawyer could come up with a hunk of garbage like that. However, duly noted, and if I ever have "expectational harm" thrown at me, I'll be sure to request a jury.
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Richard - Where is the breach of contract? If the OP just stopped showing up one morning, perhaps. If they tell them, "I need to ask you to find other commuting arrangements soon," where's the harm? Every contract I've ever been involved in had sections on terminating.
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Richard - Failure (or more accurately: Choosing to discontinue) to meet someone else's expectation is not nearly the same thing as causing them harm.
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Richard - " If you stop a pre-existing arrangement, you're harming the person who was expecting the arrangement to continue." No, you have not. You are not responsible for their lack of contingency planning. Does that mean the OP can never quit his job? The OP can't move? The OP can't decide he wants to take public transportation? Can't change shifts? Can't have a sick day / vacation day? That is a PREPOSTEROUS position to take! You're usually much more reasonable than this.
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Kilisi - " I also value directness. " - Regulars on this site are all muttering something to the effect of "True words were never rendered in web browser."
Nov 29, 2018 06:54
@Richard "Given that OP has just dramatically disadvantaged the ride-sharer ... " Stop right there! The OP is NOT causing the ride-sharer any harm whatsoever. He is merely stopping the assistance/service he had previously been offering. The ride-sharer is no worse off than before the arrangement began. That is a VERY flawed mindset that unfortunately makes its way into far too many discussions.
 
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@GeoffreyBrent - I'm just going by what my client's IP attorney told me when they patented my work. He had a bar card, and specialized in this stuff, so I'll just take his word for it. If you believe I'm in error, so be it.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@GeoffreyBrent - It hasn't been published, it's been leaked. And yes, you can file patents even after publishing if it's your work. A former client of mine patented some pretty ridiculous stuff. It's a time consuming and expensive process, but it can be done.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@DavidSchwartz - I know the Streisand effect very well. If there's a legitimate IP claim on something, hosting providers don't want anything to do with it. There's actually a large uproar right now about legitimate pages on Facebook being taken down as "potentially fake." Have you heard about it in the press at all? No hosting provider is going to go 10 rounds in federal circuit court for their $12/year customer.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@DavidSchwartz - I don't know if you've ever been in an IP fight, but generally it goes to those with the best lawyers that took the best action early on. I don't pretend to know the specifics of this case, but I do know web hosting companies don't want to fight takedown notices for the $12/year blog sites, and most will drop the sites in a heartbeat if a lawyer makes noise.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@solarflare - absolutely correct, but a pending patent application is a pretty good cudgel for them to use defending it.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
@Dukeling - Most certainly true. I'll leave it to the poster to decide how to vet the firm.
Nov 9, 2018 06:51
Because a guy "flying solo" out of a rented 1-room suite that happens to have a bar card is not going to bring the same resources to the game as a firm. If you've ever been in an IP fight, you'll see the difference really quickly.
 
Nov 6, 2018 22:19
You may need a lawyer to write him a letter explaining this, but with no contract and no payment, you owe him nothing.