Shane Madden

@Ward Sigh.. yeah, it was related. Fixed.

@ChrisS Nah, but there is a dev to blame :) DB index got added in a build which made things go crunch for a minute.

@voretaq7 Well.. in how we used it, but not really the wording. The wording is "what's your job", our use has been "do you have a clue"

@voretaq7 "Questions must demonstrate reasonable information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms or unmaintained environments may not be suitable for Server Fault" Seem ok? I want to also keep this targeted to "hey guys I dropped my database and have no backups" which that last bit does

Getting closer? @voretaq7 @HopelessN00b

"Questions must demonstrate reasonable information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms, or that ask for solutions that won't move an environment toward being properly maintained, are off-topic"

@voretaq7 Heh, yeah. And I think we'll only use this to close bad questions, so I don't think that'll be an issue. If someone writes an amazing question on "how in the hell do I get this windows 2000 environment I inherited up to something modern", I think we'd be fine with not closing

But I don't think that'll really be a problem - if there's a well-asked question that happens to use some script that someone picked up from somewhere as part of what's going on, I don't think people will immediately reach for the "supported stuff only" close button.

@voretaq7 Well, I'm just thinking something like a question that involves some random puppet module from the forge that's misbehaving, or some such.

This is stuff that we'd squash as "not professional" now, which is true but also a bad close reason, since their response will immediately be "bullshit, I'm totally a professional" so if we can come up with something effective for this it'll be a big improvement

@voretaq7 I like it, though how do we also cover the "crap that was never supported" in that wording, say, some little OSS project that doesn't have official version and patching support.

Though I'm sure I have a dozen answers in history that are just "dude, apt won't install things because you're on ubuntu 9.04. upgrade."

@voretaq7 Yeah, for sure.. would want to word it such that we're not saying "you must be on latest software", but that we are saying "you need to have something we can work with; an ancient debian that doesn't get patches anymore won't cut it"

It's hard to get "please don't ask us to work around your dumb setup" into the scope wording concisely

Maybe we leave these criteria out of the help center wording but then replace "not professional" close reason with something along the lines of "must be about reasonably modern and supportable systems"?

@voretaq7 Heh, yeah :)

But we definitely should have something somewhere that says they need to be using sane, supportable solutions

For "i demand an answer that uses software x" I think we're ok as is, honestly.. those ones usually get answered as "you can't do that, do this instead" which is worthwhile and doesn't really need closed unless it's crap in a different way I'd say.

Hmm.. yeah, that's a good point.

@HopelessN00b Do you mean ones that are like "lol i deleted crap and don't have backups" or ones that are like "i demand an answer that uses software x and hate any answer that recommends using a better tool"?

But that's also something that hopefully "quality initiative" stuff like the triage queue will help with once we get it

@voretaq7 Yeah.. that's hard to cover in the scope doc. Maybe we throw in one sentence along the lines of "Most importantly, make sure you provide as much detail, context, and information about your environment and steps you've tried as you can", matching with the new "installation, configuration or diagnostic help" close reason...

@voretaq7 Hey, at least the mega-cow seems to have real APIs!

@voretaq7 Ok, that's uncanny - we're currently in a meeting with Cisco about fancy NX-OS stuff, lol

@voretaq7 Will respond on your post after this meeting -- I think the tricky part with the audience narrowing thing is that is makes people focus on the person asking the question instead of the question, so I'm trying to move the focus to the question

@voretaq7 OH GOD NO I'LL BE TRAPPED FOREVER!

@ekaj If it's something automated, than yeah - just give it create computer rights on wherever they're getting created (cn=computers by default) and then it can just drop the computers in without running against the limit, and won't have full domain admin.

@ekaj It's for the domain user that added the computer - the local admin account on the computer can't complete the join alone, a domain account (of any color) is needed. Limit's adjustable, see ms-DS-MachineAccountQuota

@HopelessN00b Heh ;)

@HopelessN00b Too long!

Probably a shortening of link-local network

@joeqwerty I'm told you should now have one :)

Yeah, don't want to leave it in here since this is google indexed though. Address on your SF account a good one to send the invite to?

@joeqwerty Yeah pretty much chatting. Most of the regulars have migrated to a room on slack though for the chatting, I'm sure @Iain will be happy to send you an invite if you'd like to join in the chattening :)

@joeqwerty Wait, I'm confused, are you trolling about the chat's real-timiness?

@Ward You might be under-selling it ;)

@Iain Thanks!

@ewwhite It's a mystery!

@ewwhite maybe ;)

@Undo <Location>

@MichaelHampton Data visualization! ;)

@MarkHenderson Yeah... nothing bad happened when I crashed the first ASA either ;)

@MarkHenderson Ouch

@ewwhite Oh, great.

@ewwhite That's awful :(

@jscott Haha, not yet.

@MarkHenderson Heh. Page fault in the SSH process as it sent me the output from the command, apparently. Crashed the ASA. I thought it was just a network blip that knocked my session offline, so I reconnected and ran it again (crashing the other ASA)

@MarkHenderson I dunno, I ran packet-tracer on our datacenter ASAs and took all of our sites offline earlier :D

@ChrisS But it's basically a chaos monkey for free! Who wouldn't want that..?

Got the devs looking.