@curiousdannii on the bread/wine - you're right - neither is more primary. Dioceses in the USA were given permission to basically experiment with offering communion to the people in both forms (whereas usually the priest consumes everything). About 15 years ago our former bishop noticed exactly what you noticed and forbid offering the cup. But it still is an option and can be offered on special holy days like first communions and Corpus Christi or for the gluten intolerant
christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7641/… not sure if you guys are having fun answering So Few Against Many's AI generated question of the day calendar generated questions, but I'd like to get some consensus on what to do about it
> Although strongly emphasizing Trinitarian realism and its unfolding in sacramental life, the East associates faith in the unity of the divine nature with the fact that the divine essence is unknowable. The Eastern Fathers always assert that it is impossible to know what God is; one can only know that he is, since he revealed himself in the history of salvation as Father, Son and Holy Spirit
I doubt many people get grilled on their acceptance of Marian Dogmas. But to be a Catholic in good standing, you have to follow the precepts of the Church, which includes going to Mass on Sundays and Solemnities - most of which are Marian.. Now, a good church of Catholics neglect to do that. I don't think I've ever heard a sermon preached on a Marian feast day that anyone particularly objected to. They're usually the best most interesting and practical sermons of the year.
@GratefulDisciple this vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/… is the pedagogical backbone of the CCC. (and other modern (i.e. post Baltimore) Catholic Catechisms). (much better in book form, if you like reading stuff like that, that book was fairly enlightening to me as a Catechist trying to come up with my own material.
@GratefulDisciple I think it's much better as a natural science - let the bad programmers be "Software Engineers" - the rest of us can study the "Art of Computer Programmers"
The problem with the video is it was structured in reverse so it was Peterson's claim, not the athiest claims until the end - which was a little weak, but a substantiative conversation
One of the atheists was asking about his belief in the Immaculate Conception and another was asking about his belief in the rapture. And Peterson started by giving them credit for knowing more about Christianity than most Christians - I think that's gone out the window
@GratefulDisciple you could tell by the way he talked to the kids in that video who he thought were messing with him. Chesterton would have reacted with laughter and probably made his opponent laugh, Peterson's reaction shows a big lack of humility which is going to land him in non-servium land.
Chesterton wrote Orthodoxy 10 years before he became a Catholic. But I think Peterson's problem is begin too professorial. He's got the wrong image to keep up
@GratefulDisciple that's my biggest gripe with music ministry - when I was singing in the schola, I was so busy that I barely noticed I was at Mass. I think that's why so many of the liturgists and choir directors in our churches wind up in a bad state spiritually. They're not getting any graces out of going to Mass.
@GratefulDisciple well - I'm not sure it would be very Christian to encourage you to become a Catholic AND go into music ministry - what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose it immediately by being way to busy to worship at Mass?
Ooh -that's cool - gonna show those to my organ playing buddy. He just picked it up to do vespers with our priest and (play rock organ in his band). He's telling me all about modes and stuff and that kind of stuff goes way over my head being just a regular instrument kinda guy
We've also got one super stellar priest who does our TLM and the Spanish Mass and has brought back chanted vespers and sings the Te Deum personally after Mass. I got to serve vespers with him last week as the thurifer, I hadn't touched a thurible in at least 25 years!
@GratefulDisciple I haven't done it for a few years, but me and a few other guys sang the ordinaries and the propers for a few Masses. It was pretty challenging since I'd never seen that notation before, but the music director wasn't one of the home-grown organ playing ladies, but a student from greece working on his doctorate. It's kinda hard to go back to thinking about music at Mass the same way after that experience.
I was doing men's schola for our TLM with a great young music director (before Pope Francis zapped things and our Bishop combined everything). Learned a ton from him then.
It seems to me that the main problem these liturgists have is that they think everyone will be happier listening to the music that they picked out rather than the things proper to the day
So, if you have an opening antiphon does that start the Mass and go all the way until the Priest is ready to read the opening prayer and that always takes the place of the opening hymn? It seems a little strange because in the TLM there's still an opening hymn, the intriot happens after the asperges (or the vidi aquam in Easter).
I pretty much just need to pray for her conversion. You're right about needing the whole Parish - the big problem is we've merged a whole bunch of churches so we have "least common denominator" liturgy.
> The divine image is present in every man. It shines forth in the communion of persons, in the likeness of the union of the divine persons among themselves
@GratefulDisciple Oh, I'd never heard that - being "made in the image and likeness of God", at the very least I had always heard that that meant our immortal souls mirrored God's.
We could add this to the heretical trinitarian metaphors chat from a few years ago, but I think if you could make an ER diagram database "God" is simply "God" with no keys, no fields, no tables.
If you've ever normalized a database, you know you want a primary key on a table and all the fields in that table have to be dependent on the primary key.
God's simplicty is the one thing you can't add to a database. At least not a relational database.
@GratefulDisciple I found that was pretty easy to accomplish simply by having my Bible in my backpack going to college - didn't have to read much, just had to jostle it around. It would be nice to have a small leatherbound new testament that didn't fall apart
hah, yeah, I've seen the episode of Little House on the Prairie where Laura's trying to get her pastor a new Bible, but he likes his old one, but she gets him a really nice box to put it in because it's falling apart - probably a good tradition.
