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@LeeWoofenden @curiousdannii But does it not seem strange that here is Jesus with his Jewish following scared and scattered, jewish mourners, and Stephen the believing Jew stoned to death, and yet the message conveyed by this account, is that the Jews rejected him. Is it not the book of John, that diverts from all other gospel accounts, that condemns him.

@bruisedreed @LeeWoofenden Thanks, both of you!

@bruisedreed Thank you.

@bruisedreed Could you edit the question on my behalf. Title: What is the Biblical basis for a belief that the Jews rejected their king. Text: "Jews are persecuted and harassed for rejecting their king, yet, Jesus was never anointed by a prophet and set up as a king, and slipped through the crowds not allowing the Jews to make him their king when they wanted to. What is the Biblical basis for a belief that the Jews rejected their king."

Sounds like you have an answer to the question.

I can not execute this edit as I am just a guest.

@bruisedreed It is a question for today, not yesterday. The Jews asked why they ARE faulted, not why they were. So let's bring it forward, and call for a scriptural underpinning to this conviction.

@bruisedreed Indeed. Good point. So, how would I work that into the question.

Title: What is the Biblical basis for a belief that the Jews rejected their king.

@bruisedreed can it not ask for both?

@bruisedreed Both.

Leave the title as is.

How about this edit: "Jews are persecuted and harassed for rejecting their king, yet Jesus was never anointed by a prophet and set up as a king, and slipped through the crowds not allowing the Jews to make him their king when he wanted to. What is the Biblical basis for a belief that the Jews rejected their king."

@LeeWoofenden So why not answer the question instead of putting it on hold.

@LeeWoofenden that is not what I ask for.

You do not know why the Jews are faulted for rejecting their king?

Back to the question, and editing. I think it critical to find a way to edit this and take it off hold. Because as it is, it looks like christians cannot, will not, or do not want to answer the question, which would only add insult to injury when it comes to the Jew. These were sincere Jews, asking a sincere question, that begs an answer.

@LeeWoofenden interesting.

@bruisedreed Notice that they are in separate fellowships. They were not allowed to practice their faith in mainstream christian churches, they began a movement of their own, as have the Hebrew Roots movement. Mainstream christianity worships on sunday. Jews worship on the seventh day.

@LeeWoofenden Next time you are in Bath, you are welcome to look us up.

@bruisedreed Go on. I'm listening.

@LeeWoofenden :) A very interesting history.

@LeeWoofenden Not an orthodox christian denomination.

I am familiar with this temple.

@bruisedreed To this day, the church is at the very least, segregated from Jews, be they believing in the Nazarene as Messiah or not. Why!

@LeeWoofenden LOL! small world.

@LeeWoofenden LOL! small world.

@LeeWoofenden Now. Think long and hard about what you just said. it was a NEW RELIGION. The laws were abolished by this new religion. Law that God enjoined upon Israel for perpetual generations. Gentiles were not required by Jews to keep all the laws of Moses. Only the Noahide laws. So, it would be for the gentiles. But the Jews would still be worshiping on Sabbath (7th day, eating koshier. They would not disappear and become gentile.

@LeeWoofenden Fine! gentiles are reached to. But WHERE did the Jews go! Why did they disappear!

@LeeWoofenden Exactly. So if the Jews recognize God as their King already as is abundant in their Scripture, why fault them for rejecting their king.

@bruisedreed So, you present Jesus then, as a prophet anointed by God. Not a king anointed by the prophet.

@LeeWoofenden Jesus was a Jewish rabbi proclaiming a Jewish message to the Jewish people to repent and turn to God. His following was Jewish. Where did all the Jews go? How did this suddenly emerge a gentile religion with all gentiles that persecutes the Jews and is hostile against them and the laws of God?

@bruisedreed And he never anointed Jesus withoil and set him up as king.

@LeeWoofenden Where did the Jews go.

@LeeWoofenden Where is the prophet. The kings were anointe by the prophet.

@bruisedreed the OT says Elijah would preceed the Messiah. He could anoint him, and set him up. But John the baptist denies being elijah, and Jesus slips through the crowds not allowing the Jews to set him up as king.

@bruisedreed That is what I mean. If you assert JEsus was an anointed prophet, who would argue, unless they could demonstrate that either he prophesied lies that did not come true, or that he lead people to follow after other gods. Prophets upon whom the spirit comes like is reported of Jesus, are recognized as prophets by their message and its acuracy and alignment with God's commands.

No answer to why, even though Jesus was reported as a Jewish rabbi, with a Jewish message and a Jewish following, that paul asserts the Jews rejected him?

Is there no answer to why the Jews are accused of rejecting their king even though he was never anointed and set up by a prophet as king? Why would this be denominatinally specific? or unanswerable?

@LeeWoofenden What do you percieve the big question to be.

@bruisedreed Yes!, a prophecy of one who would make known through his life and leadership that GOD was those things. Not that he was those things.

@LeeWoofenden YOur links work fine. What would need to be done for the question to be answerable.

@bruisedreed Why should anyone interpret one name differently than any of the Hebrew names before.

@bruisedreed where was it foretold?

@LeeWoofenden If this doctrine only emerged later and was not recognized or realized early on, it is obviously not a requirement. Why then argue with the Jew about such.

Well, in that you move into just why I think the question I posed can be answered. Kings were NOT the only anointed people in Israel. And prophets WERE the only ones that seem to not have required annointing with oil by a prophet to be recognized.

@LeeWoofenden perhaps you should be specific and we look at them one at a time.

@LeeWoofenden exactly. and the same with names containing Yahu at the begining or Yah at the end

@bruisedreed All of it is the name of one child. Why not four different attributes of God heralded in the name of a child because God would do all those things.

My edit was a heart felt plea that christianity acknowledge these things.