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goldilocks

Nov 23, 2024 18:02

I very much agree that it does read like AI stuff, however, and if you could provide a link to somewhere this heuristic is explained and justified, I will take action.

goldilocks

Nov 23, 2024 18:01

@cocomac I respect what you are trying to with the AI-gen flags. While as mentioned we don't have a strict ban here as on SO, I am willing to delete such content and chastise users if it is not accredited as such. In order to do that, however, I need more confirmation than some random user (all apologies) saying it matches an arbitrary heuristic, ie., a reference. I did try and search for the one you mention, but could not find anything.

goldilocks

Oct 1, 2024 11:52

I hope you can recognize that retaining posts from years ago describing a problem with no solution aren't any good for anyone; if you have the same problem and search online and find that, it is just a waste of time. I know this means you lose a smidge of rep since the question was upvoted, but that is not a good reason all by itself, and for what it's worth, I regularly end up deleting my own posts (that often took some time and effort) because of the same context.

goldilocks

Oct 1, 2024 11:52

I would offer to undelete it so you can accept your own answer, except that it isn't really an answer (that answer itself should have been deleted originally). However, if you do have a solution to this and are willing to post it and accept it, I will undelete it. But please, only if you do have a real answer.

goldilocks

Oct 1, 2024 11:45

outnumbering the new questions). In some cases, such as yours, the real cause is that the original owner provided their own answer but never accepted it, presumably because the system enforces a waiting period (you can accept your own answer after 24 hours). Leaving a comment to the owner WRT this is rarely productive (most of them actually already have one) and requires someone manually track whether and when the question has been dealt with.

goldilocks

Oct 1, 2024 11:41

it is closed on whatever basis (perhaps explaining why it did not have an accepted answer). In the latter case, the system deletes the question after 30 days; I've begun doing that preemptively because of user complaints that the bumping of these questions detracts from the site in various ways (this is a because we are a small volume site and the way the system scales, we end up with more bumped old, usually low quality questions that should have been closed or deleted a long time ago

goldilocks

Oct 1, 2024 11:37

@Andreas WRT your deleted question: It was deleted because it has no accepted or upvoted answer and is several years old. You may have noticed that the "Home" front page is usually cluttered with such questions because the Community (bot) user bumps them there in the hope that they will receive attention of some kind. This might be that someone provides a good answer (since no upvote, no accept implies there is not one already), recognizes an existing good answer, or (more realistically) that

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 20:13

I'm sure a lot of them go down whatever road and eventually come (back) to the official OS older but wiser.

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 20:08

it's a net positive influence on the community. Do people the people involved end up in pointless wastes of time? Sure, but: While there are some straightforward practical uses for a Pi that can be made to work consumer friendly out-of-the box without too much technical deep diving (eg., Kodi was very popular once upon a time), really a very high percentage, probably the majority, of the user base are there with fiddling as a significant motivation :)

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 20:04

A lot of new pi users are also new Linux users, sometimes perhaps people who learned to hate it at some point but are stuck with it ("If you want to use the little computer..."). Either way, I think people coming from a more or less monolithic lifetime experience of MS Windows have a hard time grokking the linux ecosystem and how therein is an explanation/justification for a lot of the things they gripe about. Experimenting with different distros is I think a doorway into that, so, again,

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 19:58

However, on the plus side of kids wanting to experiment with different distros on the Pi, I think this also breaths some life into the whole thing because that is the nature of diversity -- and the fundamental premise of capitalism, of course; one of the things our economic system gets hamstrung by is the gradual concentration into monopolies, etc.

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 19:54

I finally shelved it last year, still worked perfectly -- on a 4.14 kernel or something. And support was never mainstreamed into the kernel source proper, so you couldn't update it yourself. One of the consequences of that was the community around it also dried up; maybe they have more of a user base in Taiwanese or something but if you go look at the reddit page now it is just people dropping in every few months to observe how this just totally sucks.

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 19:50

the form of maintaining a real, reasonably up-to-date linux distro. I think that has been a big reason their competition in the form of various fruit based boards did not catch up with them. I got an Asus Tinkerboard when they came out and at the time it was a better board than any Pi -- and it mimicked their footprint and GPIO schema, meaning it wasn't that hard to write gizmo software that ran on both. But they never, as far as I am aware, updated the debian derived OS they released.

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 19:45

@Seamus I don't disagree in that sense. I used to mess around so I could use Fedora, I'd compile my own kernel from the Foundation sources, etc., and after a while I realized it was pretty pointless. Sure, I'd get a bit miffed because the current Debian version of gcc didn't have the C++11 support I wanted etc., but the consequences of that stuff didn't really merit the effort it took to get it by using a different distro. And the foundation has done a great job with software support in

goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 16:39

Q: Questions on GNU/Linux distributions other than RaspiOS

I just want to remind everyone that a question about using an OS other than RaspiOS is not a legitimate reason to close vote, and never has been.1 To quote the help center: If your question is about: [ ... ] Operating Systems built for the Raspberry Pi. … then you’re in the right place to ask ...

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goldilocks

Apr 24, 2024 16:38

@Seamus >_< Please have a look at this:

goldilocks

Jul 9, 2023 15:35

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Q: User "Jesus Christ"

I noticed recently that we have a couple of users: "Jesus Christ" and "Jesus Christ". They are not particularly active but have been around for a significant amount of time. These usernames are clearly going to be offensive to a large number of people. I had assumed that Stack Exchange had a pol...

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goldilocks

Jul 9, 2023 15:33

Also, a significant point made in that discussion: There are numbers of real people in the world legally named Jesus Christ.

goldilocks

Jul 9, 2023 15:32

@jsotola A little follow-up WRT that JC username: I empathise with your point, but I am not religious either and don't recall ever hearing this is considered offensive, a point which is supported by the fact that there were no actually offended people in that 10 year old Meta discussion, nor has anyone spoken up since then (the OP doesn't claim to be offended either, but believed "these usernames are clearly going to be offensive to a large number of people" who I guess were never found).

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 18:11

Having never used systemd-networkd, I'd hope it implements this already in some useful way...

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 18:10

Arggg, I'd bet there's a few questions around here that could do with that in an answer.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 18:10

There's a C API too, but I bet you could use the cli tool in a dhcpcd hook script, although there may be an issue there since the "sending process" would then be part of the dhcpcd service -- but you could write a simple service that just waits for a signal (sent from a dhcpcd hook), then notifies, and have whatever you want started when the network is live depend on that.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 18:06

@@351528 I know we discussed this briefly a while back but looks like I was wrong (sort of):
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-notify.html

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goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:36

So you need to start at the beginning. If it turns out it is some eccentricity involving the Pi, great, and the content of whatever that question is might well be something the people here could help you with. But just asking "how do I use ubuntu" is not that.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:35

If someone came here and could demonstrate some pi-specific issue, great. You cannot.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:34

@PhilipCouling You got it. You need to do some work besides just hammering out a question. You need to organize your research logically. Again, this is part of the point of closing off-topic.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:30

I've done so at least three times. See the pinned message stage right.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:29

Sigh. What sentence?

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:28

"you TOTALLY 100% remove every possible question relating to operating systems" -> AGAIN: WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS. If you want to go round and round and round, it is not going to change what I have already said.
Moving past all this, if you haven't gotten help at U&L, you have to drill down a bit and find an alpine specific forum or mailing list. You are just wasting your time here. I am pretty sure your question is not that complicated and could be fairly easily by an experienced alpine user.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:24

@PhilipCouling There is a certain amount of brevity there. It's not a legal document and every single point does not require endless explanation.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:22

By analogy: Compiling something for x86 or arm7 does not change the function etc. of what is compiled.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:22

@PhilipCouling WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS. All distros have to do this because of the unique kernel and fs layout. But if that is all there is to it (and I see no reason to believe alpine is any different there), then the OS is otherwise identical to the other ports of it.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:19

It does say that on the help page. WRT closing without comment, I agree with you and apologize -- again, that is something I very seldom do.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:18

Again: there is not raspberry specific build in your question. WRT what operating systems do unequivocably count as such, there's Raspbian/RpiOS, retropie, NOOBs, and some more obscure ones I think.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:16

"the scope is being polieced (excise the word) very differently to the scope on the help page." -> Taking the help page literally, we should close almost all general questions.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:14

Keep in mind that closing the grey area questions is partially intended to benefit the poster. Do we sometimes answer simple, but clearly not pi specific questions about python or the nix shell? Yes we do. However, in general there is a much better pool of knowledge in these areas at SO and U&L. So we often close questions and point people there.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:12

"this same raspberry pi specific install instructions " -> That you are following a blog or whatever for pi users does not make anything in it automagically pi specific, and your question, again, certainly is not.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:10

@PhilipCouling "I am NOT experienced in alpine. I came here because I hoped there may be some user in this community" -> This is why I pointed you to U&L, where there are almost 300 questions tagged alpine vs. only THREE here (besides yours).

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:05

WRT generalism, overlap, and our on/off topic policy here, the community (meaning, 5 non-mod members) closes things as off-topic more often than I do, and we reserve the right to do so based on the off-topic page, which you look to have intentionally misread. Alpine diskless was NOT built specifically for the Raspberry Pi.

goldilocks

Feb 9, 2023 16:05

"This is not a professionals only site" -> You've misinterpreted me. What I meant was that if it seemed that you were already experienced with Alpine diskless and were making the case that the problem was Pi specific, I'd be inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. You do not actually claim either thing in the original question, which is fine, but this is why it reads like a general question about Alpine diskless, and hence belongs on a more general site.

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goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:59

is the way to go. Anyway, thanks for you for your otherwise exemplary "model citizen"-ness. I do appreciate what you do and I am sure many of the other regulars do too. But when in doubt try to be nice. I'm sure I written things here at least as nasty -- but I usually feel regret and go back and exploit one of the great benefits of being a moderator, no time limit on editing my own comments :O

goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:54

And realized that the consensus would certainly be that this does violate the "be nice" policy, and that this alone is justification for deleting the comment. To my mind "lazy" takes it over the top, even if it rings true. If the OP were someone who did this chronically and had it pointed out before, maybe the context would be different, but I think first time posters deserve the benefit of the doubt in that while the question should still be closed, a polite explanation of why that is,

goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:49

"You really should refrain from answering these types of lazy, unclear, vague and unbounded questions."

goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:49

Part of what was at issue was that I didn't necessarily feel your comment violated the "be nice" policy; you certainly weren't insulting ExquisiteE, who posted the answer. Then I cut and pasted the first comment. I often find answers to questions I'm intending to ask when I write them, because I try to think about what I would think if someone else asked the same thing. And the first sentence of that comment is

goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:45

It's important for me to add that the latter has been a model citizen for years, provides a lot of useful answers, tries to understand and appropriately use the mechanisms (including a lot of flagging, which is usually very appropriate), communicates well, and is generally very polite.

goldilocks

Jan 28, 2023 14:45

@Greenonline Well, here's something for you: I felt uncertain about this and that I might be overstepping by deleting that stuff, so I went to ask about this on the moderator's (non-public) exchange, something I've almost never felt the need for. In writing it I introduced you (using a different user name) with the description,

goldilocks

Jan 27, 2023 22:16

That question was very obviously going to be dealt with here soon enough, answer or no, as I think you know. However, there is such a thing as a good answer to a bad question. While it was certainly not comprehensive, part of the problem with the question is that a comprehensive answer would be novella length.

goldilocks

Jan 27, 2023 22:13

plays into broken window theory, etc.

goldilocks

Jan 27, 2023 22:13

@Greenonline Please don't do this. I understand what you are saying, and I agree with much of it -- this is part of the reason it is important to close bad questions. However, if someone wants to post a serious answer before that happens, they should not be berated for it. I know you see it as a (marginally friendly?) warning, but there is just way, way too much content and behaviour this rhetoric ("rhetoric" non perjoratively) could be applied to, which makes it a very slippery slope,

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goldilocks

Apr 1, 2022 13:39

I guess a nice policy would be that retroactive patches should be used for anything that's a fix, but not a feature. Still potentially too much work though, esp. if you prefer your users to just upgrade. That's reasonably informed conjecture on my part, BTW, I've actually never (shame) contributed much to a major open source project.