edgerunner

Somewhat reminds me of this disaster: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

I think these kinds of questions are great mind openers, and I'd love to join the discussion. But I also agree that the Stack format is definitely inappropriate for open ended discussion, argument, and opinion. Chat here could be an alternative but it is too loose and freeform. Maybe we need some official forum-like discussion platform for the RPG.SE community for exactly these kinds of things.

@wraith808 Let me know when you're back.

Ah, ok

Like "What's this little thing over here?"

They are better off as aspects

I'd simplify the "conditional skills" in there, though

cool :)

that's the game itself

You don't have to know, you will find that out together

you start with more, but you are also limited

and limited resources

with limited jurisdiction

but everyone is the GM

In addition to being a regular player, you decide on the relevancy of certain rules

Another perspective that helps that is: You're not ta GM, you're a referee

You're going to play another GM's game

Consider yourself a player. Helps a lot

not much discussion

Easy then

Turns long discussions into quick decisions

if you don't like the outcome, you may spend fate points to invoke aspects and boost or hinder the roll as usual

but it doesn't end with that

the proposing player rolls the dice and adds the vote total. If the result is 0 or higher, the proposal is accepted. It is rejected if less

every for vote is +1 and every against vote is -1

when a player proposes something and the table can't agree on it, everyone except the proposing player votes for or against it

the mechanics I use are simple

but if some discussion can't resolve a particular detail, resort to the dice to decide on it

then, while you're creating the city and related stuff, when somebody proposes something and everybody is somehow ok with it, just write it down

don't skip on city creation, that's the driving force in DF and other fate games

no GM at this point, everybody is equal

give everyone a limited number of fate points, 4-5 is good

but players are there as players

It is a "game" in itself, without characters in the beginning

I have another house rule for running that part of the game

that's where most of the story forms

Did you run the city creation yet?

The more you invest, the more you'll get stuck

Do not prepare a plot, let one of the others do something and have the world react to that

Don't start telling the story, let someone else start

Just assume you're a player, a regular one

:D When you start running FATE games, you have to learn to let go of your control over the game

@BESW It would rather be boring if everything was precisely laid down anyway :) I can't say I complain about that :D

Yeah, everthing in the book is somewhat loose

"Lawbreaker" being a power and so..

This is a good edge case because it involves modifying the character in a way that normally only the owner of the character could do

Oh, it is always perfectly ok to discuss and agree on something without involving the rules at all

And that means you probably have to get some support from others at the table

So if you try to veto it, you should back it up with aspects

My house rule is: The "taken-out" story an opposing player is subject to compels from anyone at the table. It is particularly hard to tell that story against the grain of character aspects.