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 Discussion on question by Or4ng3h4t: …

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mxyzplk
Apr 24, 2024 17:52
‘How dare you speak out loud 4-6 times a day in an in person workplace!?!’ Jesus.
 

 Discussion on question by GeneralOcto…

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mxyzplk
Jan 5, 2024 01:31
I think he may mean “take him aside” as in “apart from the group.”
 

 Discussion on question by Andresch Se…

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mxyzplk
Jun 14, 2023 20:38
“There is no problem with inclusion in tech!” holler the people who downvote and vote to close every discussion of minority inclusion.
 

 Discussion on question by Thomas: Thi…

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mxyzplk
Apr 10, 2022 03:05
Perhaps the framing of things as a “search for the guilty party” and not a blameless retrospective is your real problem.
 

 Discussion on question by fasdfso8ijd…

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mxyzplk
Apr 6, 2022 15:17
So how exactly do you intend all of us validating you that you shouldn’t have to work past 5 help you with your problem with your boss? Don’t take a poll, ask for actionable advice.
 

 Discussion on question by Micrified: …

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mxyzplk
Dec 18, 2021 14:34
“No” is a complete sentence.
 

 Discussion on question by user121416:…

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mxyzplk
Oct 28, 2021 08:46
Per update: yes it’s a tactic. Repeat “my last day is x.” Then leave on X.
 

 Discussion on question by Voxtenwatt:…

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mxyzplk
Aug 6, 2021 06:35
Who did your last manager report to, try them. I'm not clear how you work in a company and really don't know anything about anybody else and where they're getting their instructions from. Ask around.
 

 Discussion on question by Anthony: Mu…

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mxyzplk
Jun 18, 2021 15:55
Do you have any conference rooms with visibility in from the outside (“fishbowls”)?
 

 Discussion on question by Mugen: What…

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mxyzplk
Jun 10, 2021 13:17
So basically tech jobs require learning new things for every new project if they’re worthwhile. You have proven to be good at this and as a “best performer” get asked to do it, which is normal. But you resent it for some reason and want... What? Routine work where you don’t learn new things? There are those jobs too but you won’t be getting any “best performer” awards or significant advancement for doing them. So you need to decide if you want a slow lane or fast lane career and then take jobs tuned to that.
 

 Discussion on question by Drafahr: Is…

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mxyzplk
May 21, 2021 16:59
This should be closed as completely opinion based.
 

 Discussion on answer by dan.m was use…

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mxyzplk
May 5, 2021 12:14
Your first paragraph asserts baldly "that's your job not theirs to split up work assignments." Later on you talk about self managing and assumptions but the up front says "no, you are to do that" (or the "most senior" person, which is also not a great assumption).
mxyzplk
May 5, 2021 12:14
-1, the assumption that all task assignment should always be micro-managed by the manager does not hold in many professional environments.
 

 Discussion on question by Duras: "Ace…

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mxyzplk
Mar 26, 2021 11:28
The higher ups in your organization clearly don’t listen to managers of his level regardless of facts, what generally convinces them to listen to leaders of your level? I suspect reality doesn’t move them so I’m not sure what we can recommend.
 

 Discussion on answer by Kilisi: 2021 …

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mxyzplk
Mar 14, 2021 18:58
I did my 10 years of entirely thankless diamond modding, never again.
mxyzplk
Mar 14, 2021 18:58
So ”Will you forgo any ethics or morals other than the glamorous job of cleaning up behind me?” is the question you’re trying to ask?
mxyzplk
Mar 14, 2021 18:58
If you keep having to clarify what you mean, it means your question is unclear...
 

 Discussion on answer by Mister Positi…

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mxyzplk
Feb 23, 2021 13:20
@Old_Lamplighter Consider taking as homework going and asking your mom, wife, ex-wife, and ex-SOs if they've ever had a man make comments about their appearance at work that made them uncomfortable. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You may learn from doing this.
mxyzplk
Feb 23, 2021 13:20
This is something that happens to women in the workplace every day, a lot... Why does it meet your definition of trolling? What is unbelievable about it (besides the responses, sadly)?
mxyzplk
Feb 23, 2021 13:20
I love getting rid of troll questions but I’m not sure why this is one, it doesn’t trip my troll senses (usually trolls go for the opposite “I am a conservative white man and someone discriminated against me” line.
 

 Discussion on question by mxyzplk: Ho…

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mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Let us continue this discussion in chat.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Just because you've been discriminated against doesn't mean you're welcoming to others that have been. You say there's absolutely no problem and people who are discriminated against should just figure it out themselves and any discussion about helping is "white knighting" - so no, I don't see any of that as contributing to actual exploration of the problem or solutions.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
But also maybe you should just let your answer(s) stand for themselves instead of drowning out everyone else with a constant flood of comment argument.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
They tell them they shouldn't feel that way (several of the answers and many of the comments on the recent post). They demand for the OP to "prove it's from a bad motivation" (as if that matters). You personally made a good answer to workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/103200/… and got complaints about "it's not sexism" on your answer.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
I don't know what's happened in the intervening years to make these questions even more poorly received (I mean, there's a lot of deletion on that one too) but it seems to me they are, and a large percentage of the interaction on them is not helpful to the poster, it's just defensive. And even if mods delete it, the OP still gets two barrels full of crap and doesn't have a good experience here.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
We derive community consensus on Meta on how to handle stuff like that. Here's a simple example from RPG.SE. There, people have different game playstyles. We had a lot of issues with someone posting about how to do something with their game, and a bunch of people dumping on them about how their playstyle was bad and they didn't agree with it. That was not helpful to anyone, so we had a meta discussion and determined that answers to questions like that which questioned their playstyle were considered unhelpful by the community, and community members and mods should action them accordingly.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
So @Lilienthal reread my question. Again, I'm not saying the mods are bad or whatever, I don't know what 'allegations' are so severe here. I am saying that many questions, when they have an OP who is sharing behavior that they see as negative and could fall under discriminatory behavior of some type, are stampeded on. Go look at any of these questions - you can see the deleted answers and history as well as I can. People warn them against saying things are sexist or racist or discrimination (even when they didn't, as with the most recent post).
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
I used "marginalized" because that's what the SO blog post linked uses, because someone objects to everything so I figure I'll just use what the larger SO discussion is using terminology wise.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
The only place I talk about you is where I mention how new posters are dismissed by people saying "well what about me I got discriminated against for being X once". As usual you are using this as a brickbat to dissuade people from discussion. I’m not interested in that.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Exactly. “I am autistic therefore you are not allowed to talk about people getting slagged on this stack for asking questions about discrimination” is the sum total of this illogical argument and I’m not engaging with it any more.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
@lilienthal I see plenty, any search for topics like this reveals a bunch, but I feel adding a fistful of more examples will just get argued over and no I don’t have a statistical analysis. I think the dramatic reaction even to this meta Q shows how open people are to hearing about it. We can’t discuss how to get better without a logical proof of the problem? Sounds like an unwelcoming environment to those with this kind of problem to me.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Yeah, unfortunately.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Sweet, contribute that as an answer! Not allowing comment arguments to thrive is, I think, an important element for sure.
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
I am disappointed but not surprised by all the downvotes. Really, you don't think there's anything to improve here?
mxyzplk
Feb 19, 2021 18:09
Appreciate it, but like I say this isn't a problem about this one question, it's an ongoing pattern in our community here.
 

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mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
I don't know what's happened in the intervening years to make these questions even more poorly received (I mean, there's a lot of deletion on that one too) but it seems to me they are, and a large percentage of the interaction on them is not helpful to the poster, it's just defensive. And even if mods delete it, the OP still gets two barrels full of crap and doesn't have a good experience here.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
Just because you've been discriminated against doesn't mean you're welcoming to others that have been. You say there's absolutely no problem and people who are discriminated against should just figure it out themselves and any discussion about helping is "white knighting" - so no, I don't see any of that as contributing to actual exploration of the problem or solutions.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
But also maybe you should just let your answer(s) stand for themselves instead of drowning out everyone else with a constant flood of comment argument.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
We derive community consensus on Meta on how to handle stuff like that. Here's a simple example from RPG.SE. There, people have different game playstyles. We had a lot of issues with someone posting about how to do something with their game, and a bunch of people dumping on them about how their playstyle was bad and they didn't agree with it. That was not helpful to anyone, so we had a meta discussion and determined that answers to questions like that which questioned their playstyle were considered unhelpful by the community, and community members and mods should action them accordingly.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
So @Lilienthal reread my question. Again, I'm not saying the mods are bad or whatever, I don't know what 'allegations' are so severe here. I am saying that many questions, when they have an OP who is sharing behavior that they see as negative and could fall under discriminatory behavior of some type, are stampeded on. Go look at any of these questions - you can see the deleted answers and history as well as I can. People warn them against saying things are sexist or racist or discrimination (even when they didn't, as with the most recent post).
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
They tell them they shouldn't feel that way (several of the answers and many of the comments on the recent post). They demand for the OP to "prove it's from a bad motivation" (as if that matters). You personally made a good answer to workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/103200/… and got complaints about "it's not sexism" on your answer.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
I used "marginalized" because that's what the SO blog post linked uses, because someone objects to everything so I figure I'll just use what the larger SO discussion is using terminology wise.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
The only place I talk about you is where I mention how new posters are dismissed by people saying "well what about me I got discriminated against for being X once". As usual you are using this as a brickbat to dissuade people from discussion. I’m not interested in that.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
Exactly. “I am autistic therefore you are not allowed to talk about people getting slagged on this stack for asking questions about discrimination” is the sum total of this illogical argument and I’m not engaging with it any more.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
@lilienthal I see plenty, any search for topics like this reveals a bunch, but I feel adding a fistful of more examples will just get argued over and no I don’t have a statistical analysis. I think the dramatic reaction even to this meta Q shows how open people are to hearing about it. We can’t discuss how to get better without a logical proof of the problem? Sounds like an unwelcoming environment to those with this kind of problem to me.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
Yeah, unfortunately.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
Appreciate it, but like I say this isn't a problem about this one question, it's an ongoing pattern in our community here.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
Sweet, contribute that as an answer! Not allowing comment arguments to thrive is, I think, an important element for sure.
mxyzplk
Feb 17, 2021 23:38
I am disappointed but not surprised by all the downvotes. Really, you don't think there's anything to improve here?
 

 Discussion on question by Wolf: Reneg…

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mxyzplk
Feb 10, 2021 12:59
It's not clear to me what stage of employment you are at in #3-4 with Company A behind offer 1 and Company B behind offer 2. Sounds like emailed offer accept of offer 1 and no response yet sent to offer 2?