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C7X
Apr 12, 2024 07:01
@MoreAnonymous It is known that deciding truth of an arithmetical sentence is not a problem that can be solved recursively, but the goal of Goedel-encoding is to get encodings where operations on the strings are simple (often times e.g. primitive recursive).
 
C7X
Mar 4, 2024 00:27
Thank you! (I suppose personally I thought it was more of a "sledgehammer" approach to the problem to take the quantifiers one at a time, and as per the last line of your answer, Hamkins's method seems to work just as well.)
C7X
Mar 3, 2024 07:40
In the last sentence I did not claim there was a problem because of the powerset function symbol, instead I was asking if the reason you had said that my solution may be more robust (in "I also would like to see your solution to it, since I'd think it would be more robust than mine") is because of the usage of a powerset function symbol.

In the first three sentences of my last message, I mention both my proof [here](https://mathoverflow.net/a/465860) and your proof [here](https://mathoverflow.net/a/465962).
C7X
Mar 3, 2024 00:19
@ZuhairAl-Johar Now I have read the answer you have linked, it seems like the result is of similar strength to my answer, or maybe the idea in your answer is slightly more general. In my answer, a block of bounded quantifiers only at the front gets skipped, but in your answer you are able to skip bounded quantifiers throughout the formula. I also could not find any logical mistakes in your answer.

About "I also would like to see your solution to it, since I'd think it would be more robust than mine", is part of the robustness because of the powerset function symbol?
C7X
Mar 2, 2024 23:36
In the answer, should the first occurrence of $\varphi^{+*^{V_\alpha}}$ be replaced with $\varphi^{+*V_\alpha}$? The notation in the question is $\varphi^{*B}$ in contrast to $\varphi^{*^B}$
C7X
Feb 28, 2024 00:53
As far as I have read, I see an "internalizing parameter string" $\exists x_i(x_i=v_i)$. If the parameters are not stored in free variables, are the $v_i$ extra constant symbols in the language?
C7X
Feb 27, 2024 07:58
Sorry for my late response. I have updated my answer earlier although before seeing your last message, and I can continue working on the problem tomorrow.
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 21:32
@ZuhairAl-Johar Now I think I see, thanks! Now that you mention it, it shouldn't be difficult to extend the theorem in my post to allow for a bounded quantifier to the left of the one that gets bounded to $W$, in your example the quantifier $\forall x\in A$ would now be covered by the theorem. If it works I can edit my answer to add the extension soon. But I am still not sure how to bound two or more quantifiers to $W$
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 10:48
@ZuhairAl-Johar "Is that correct?" - That is correct. In your most recent comment I am reading "before that" as meaning "rightwards of that". "then Hamkins proof already proves that" - the main way I understand this is that it would happen if the expansion of the language by $\mathcal P$ is unnecessary, and everything can be kept in $\mathscr L_\in$ by simply replacing $\forall x\subseteq k\ldots$ with $\exists K(\forall y(y\subseteq k\iff y\in K)\land\ldots)$, etc. Is this also your line of reasoning? (Soon it may be a good idea to move to chat from this thread.)
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 10:48
(cont'd) Hamkins's proof is a good starting point, and it seems to bound the quantifiers "all at once" rather than inductively adding them. It may work to simply use the fact that $\mathcal P$ never shows up in the block of bounded quantifiers, so the subformula of $\varphi$ in which all the $\mathcal P$'s appear is still absolute to $V_\kappa$ by $(V_\alpha,\in,\mathcal P\upharpoonright V_\alpha)\prec(V_\kappa,\in,\mathcal P\upharpoonright V_\kappa)$, but I am less comfortable working with arguments that "bound all the quantifiers at once" as I am not sure if a mistake would slip in.
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 10:48
@ZuhairAl-Johar You are correct, anterior-closedness of the bounded quantifiers is violated. This happens since the "$W$ does not occur" clause was removed, breaching the order of the bounding and making the $\varphi^{``W}$ considered diverge from how the order of bounding works in Reflection*. (cont'd)
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 10:48
Re. 3rd comment: If I have done it correctly, the point of introducing the class symbol should be to show there is a model $V_\kappa$ in which every formula, including ones in the language which uses quantifiers like $\forall x\subseteq k$, will anterior-reflect, as long as only one quantifier gets bounded to $W$. This model existence shows it is consistent with ZFC, but $\mathcal P$ need not be a function symbol in any model where anterior-reflection with 1 bounded quantifier is considered.
C7X
Feb 26, 2024 10:48
@ZuhairAl-Johar Re. 1st comment: You're right, when reading I must have thought that anterior closure meant that the block of quantifiers that get newly bounded to $W$ has to be anterior-closed.
 

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C7X
Jan 19, 2023 06:57
@user76284 Let EST have axioms of extensionality, empty set, pairing, union, ∀x,y∃z(z=x×y), Δ₀-separation, and induction along ω. Then EST+Vopenka's principle recovers replacement and powerset. researchgate.net/publication/…
C7X
Jul 16, 2022 07:07
Hello, I saw a claim online that Arai's 2019 preprint "A simplified analysis of first-order reflection" (arxiv.org/abs/1907.07611) contains errors. The claim is on this blog post bit.ly/3c87nnK, since it's written in Japanese I have used Google Translate, hopefully there are no errors in translation. As I understand it their claim is since ψ^(1,0,...,0)_K_n(2) = K_n, the map to the ordinal notation is non-injective so Lemma 3.8 fails. Does this impact the rest of the analysis?
 

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C7X
Sep 25, 2022 05:36
@RE60K @RE60K The support of a function $e$ is the set $\{x\in dom(e)\mid e(x)\neq 0\}$. Probably will depend on the context of the paper, but if for each vertex $v$ there's an associated function $e$ I'd guess $e$ maps each vertex to the number of edges connecting $v$ to the vertex. Then the support of $e$ (function $e$ chosen when working with vertex $v$) would be the set of vertices connected to $v$
 

 Discussion between Zuhair and C7X

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C7X
Apr 1, 2022 13:59
Sorry I didn't realize that in the comment thread, I was considering transitive models so that we had some nice propeties (such as absoluteness of Δ₀ formulae)
C7X
Apr 1, 2022 13:57
> Suppose we don't have the empty set, then A,B are ordinals!

Are we working in a model where the empty set doesn't exist?
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 14:16
I thought that $\alpha\cap\beta$ was also an ordinal, since it consists just of the transitive proper sets consisting of members of $\alpha$ that also just consist of members from $\beta$, i.e. transitive subsets of $\alpha\cap\beta$
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 14:13
Hello!
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
I'm rather new to SE, is it a good idea to move to chat?
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
Sorry for the slow updates, I see how to implement your proof now in a system without foundation. I'll edit it to talk about separation and your proof
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
My construction was an attempt to create a sort of "transitive closure" of the Quine atom $q$ - if $TS(x)$ denotes the set of transitive subsets of $x$, it was $X=TS(q)\cup TS(TS(q))\cup TS(TS(TS(q)))\cup\ldots$. I believed $ord(X)$ was true and $X$ and $\omega\cdot 2$ were $\subseteq$-incomparable, but now I'm starting to doubt $ord(X)$.
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
Additionally, since $TS(x)=\{y\in\mathcal P(x)\mid trs(y)\}$, this construction may require powerset so it's not very friendly to a weak theory like is needed
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
Does that proof by contradiction work if we don't assume foundation?
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
Also my construction used the Quine atom, so I was working in a no-foundation environment. But now I'm rethinking the claim "I have constructed two ordinals incomparable by $\subseteq$", I might have been wrong in saying my construction was an ordinal after all
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
Sorry, I didn't realize that! I think we still have trochotomy of $\in$ for ordinals, I'll edit my answer.
C7X
Mar 31, 2022 10:50
I think this may be false, I believe I have constructed two ordinals incomparable by $\subseteq$, but I need more time to check
 
C7X
Mar 14, 2022 13:09
Also, I was under the impression that the notion of a Δ_1^0 formulae does exist in the arithmetic hierarchy, and it's a formula that's logically equivalent to both a Σ_1^0 formula and a Π_1^0 formula. I wasn't sure if the logical equivalence was semantic (the Σ_1^0 and Π_1^0 formulae are satisfied exactly when the Δ_1^0 formula is in the true model (N,<)) or syntactic (they're provably logically equivalent using some rewrite rules.)
C7X
Mar 14, 2022 13:04
@Binary198 I think so: Δ_0^1 sets are recursive, and some TM can decide if a given (Godel-number of a) sentence is an axiom of ZFC (including instances of schemata). If we have one first-order sentence φ formalizing "there exists an I0 cardinal", φ has a fixed Godel-number, and there can be a different machine that acceps iff (the ZFC TM halts or the input = Godel-number of φ).
C7X
Mar 14, 2022 12:43
C7X
Mar 14, 2022 12:42
I've seen a relevant reference for when a theory has a model L_η with η<(least stable ordinal), I can look for it
C7X
Mar 14, 2022 12:41
Hi!