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May 6, 2021 17:38
@leslietownes I get your point, thanks... This is all far more involved than I anticipated, wow
May 6, 2021 17:31
good point, so $f^{1/2}$ suffers from the same problems as $\sqrt{f}$ (at least in general -- there are exceptions, like $f(z)=e^z$ we discussed)
May 6, 2021 17:28
put differently: is it meaningful to regard this "holomorphic square root" as the proper analytic continuation of $\sqrt{f}$ on the reals?
May 6, 2021 17:27
I have a quick follow-up question regarding what Thorgott wrote: any nowhere vanishing holomorphic function $f:\mathbb{C}\rightarrow\mathbb{C}\setminus\{0\}$ admits a holomorphic square root. I understand that this "square root" is (in general) not literally $\sqrt{f}$, but a function whose square gives the original function. But is it unambiguous to write $f^{1/2}$ for that function, in particular when trying to define an analytic continuation of $\sqrt{f}$ from the reals?
May 6, 2021 17:07
@robjohn @leslietownes @Thorgott thanks for all of your help, I'll have to think about everything, but it's much clearer now
May 6, 2021 17:02
at least that fits to the indicated cut at $\pm\pi i$ in my example
May 6, 2021 17:01
and Wolfram Alpha generally assumes the principal branch for sqrt, I suppose?
May 6, 2021 16:59
@robjohn right, bad example...
May 6, 2021 16:58
for example, $\sqrt{\sinh(x)}$ still suffers from the same problems due to the zeros of $\sinh$, right?
May 6, 2021 16:57
concerning analytic continuation from the reals
May 6, 2021 16:56
Is it generally so that taking the power 1/2 is better than sqrt
May 6, 2021 16:56
it potentially does, thanks
May 6, 2021 16:55
oh joy
May 6, 2021 16:54
at the moment I was writing this comment, I was wondering the same
May 6, 2021 16:53
yes
May 6, 2021 16:52
I think I have to deal with $\sqrt{e^z}$ as I want to consider an analytic continuation of $\sqrt{e^x}$
May 6, 2021 16:49
(at least not everywhere)
May 6, 2021 16:48
@robjohn ok, but $e^{z/2}$ is NOT the principal square root of $e^z$, right?
May 6, 2021 16:46
but $e^{z/2}$ is continuous everywhere
May 6, 2021 16:44
@robjohn but if we take the principal branch, is it still true that $\sqrt{e^z}$ becomes discontinuous at $\pi i$? How does that fit together with what you said before?
May 6, 2021 16:41
ah, so it's a 2nd root in the sense that its square gives the original function e^z, but it's not THE square root in the sense of $\sqrt{e^z}$
May 6, 2021 16:39
@Thorgott : but $z\mapsto e^z$ is a nowhere vanishing holomorphic function $\mathbb{C}\rightarrow\mathbb{C}\setminus\{0\}$, so why doesn't it admit a holomorphic square root?
May 6, 2021 16:30
@robjohn thanks, I'll do that
May 6, 2021 16:29
I'm doing research, but my analysis knowledge is really bad and too long ago... I'm not an analyst at all, but sometimes there's no way around, haha
May 6, 2021 16:28
thanks, that clears it up a lot...
May 6, 2021 16:28
@robjohn I'm not, sorry
May 6, 2021 16:28
okay, so the misconception on my side was that I thought it suffices that 0 is not a branch point to conclude that the function is entire, while in reality one still has to consider the cut along the negative real axis
May 6, 2021 16:27
that comes from simplifying my notes when asking a question, haha
May 6, 2021 16:26
I was thinking e^(pi*z), that's why I wrote $i$
May 6, 2021 16:26
oh yes of course, sorry
May 6, 2021 16:25
and did I put it right with what I've written above: " so the problem here is that while 0 is not a branch point of sqrt(e^z), we still have a branch cut on the negative real axis in the image of e^z (that is, at z=i) where sqrt(e^z) becomes discontinuous"
May 6, 2021 16:23
ok, but \sqrt(e^z) is continuous (in fact, analytic) inside an open strip around the real axis with imaginary part between (-i,i), right?
May 6, 2021 16:21
@leslietownes is that correct? so the problem here is that while 0 is not a branch point of sqrt(e^z), we still have a branch cut on the negative real axis in the image of e^z (that is, at z=i) where sqrt(e^z) becomes discontinuous
May 6, 2021 16:18
it's fine in a strip around the real axis, but not where the exp takes negative values, which is at $i$
May 6, 2021 16:17
oh wait a moment
May 6, 2021 16:17
I thought that since sqrt has a branch point at 0, but e^z never vanishes, sqrt(e^z) has no branch point and hence everything is fine
May 6, 2021 16:14
I'm confused
May 6, 2021 16:11
@leslietownes why not, if we choose the principal square root function?
May 6, 2021 16:10
@robjohn exactly, I never claimed something else
May 6, 2021 16:09
n=2 for the square root
May 6, 2021 16:09
where's the mistake here?
May 6, 2021 16:09
@robjohn I don't think I'm mixing that up... z\mapsto e^z is a holomorphic function on all of C, which takes values in C\{0}. Hence this function has a holomorphic logarithm, and thus holomorphic n-th roots for all n.
May 6, 2021 14:39
I suppose wolframalpha doesn't understand that there exists an analytic continuation, and thus messes up
May 6, 2021 14:36
maybe wolframalpha just messes something up... but from my understanding sqrt(e^z) should be analytic everywhere
May 6, 2021 14:34
can someone explain this to me please?
May 6, 2021 14:34
if \sqrt is the principal square root function on C, then sqrt(e^z) should be an entire function, because e^z does not vanish anywhere, and so we have no branch points. However, in the function plot on wolframalpha there appears to be a cut at z=x+iy for y=pi; see the contour plots here: wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+sqrt%28exp%28z%29%29
May 4, 2021 19:16
thanks, I'll have a look
May 4, 2021 19:06
yes please, that would be very helpful
May 4, 2021 19:05
@leslietownes thanks, I'll try that. If you happen to recall anything later, please let me know
May 4, 2021 18:50
do you have any suggestions where I could look for those generalizations of classical hardy classes you were mentioning?