Apr 28, 2024 14:22
@confusedcius ---
All A are True
No A are True
Therefore B

(1) Is a pair of proper categorical propositions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition
(2) That are isomorphic to the Principle of Explosion.
(3) And do form the non-sequitur error.
Apr 28, 2024 01:24
@confusedcius We can know by my prior syllogism example that when one of paying attention to the full semantics the principle of explosion is nonsense gibberish. Please tag me when you respond
Apr 26, 2024 16:47
@confusedcius It is not any kind of implication where when the antecedent is false that makes the implication true. It is more semantic entailment on the basis of formalized semantics, thus no need for model theory, it is all done in proof theory as relations between finite strings. That puppies are animals semantically entails that puppies are not fifteen story office buildings.
Apr 26, 2024 03:52
@confusedcius The key element of Montague Grammar is meaning postulates. All of the other stuff is just background info.
Apr 26, 2024 01:37
@confusedcius ISBN: 0521376106 Formal Semantics : An Introduction Ronnie Cann
Apr 26, 2024 00:10
@confusedcius {Semantically entailed by the formalized meaning} is the only inference rule the same way that {non-sequitur} is essentially the only logical fallacy. I can either say it in a few sentences or a book at least one light year deep. There is not a whole lot inbetween except for Montague Grammar.
Apr 25, 2024 20:17
@confusedcius Once one has a formalized set of axioms then totally ordinary formal proofs can form proofs from these axioms. Totally understanding all of the details of the machinery for formalizing natural language would take a book at least two foot thick. Once we simply hypothesize that it is possible no more details are required to evaluate my proposal. My architectural overview can be evaluated as it is.
Apr 25, 2024 19:30
@confusedcius It is the totally conventional notion of formal proof from axioms elaborated in Mendelson and many others. My notion of semantics is almost entirely the notion of Montague Semantics https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/montague-semantics/.

The original name was Montague Grammar because it is natural language semantics formalized as relations between finite strings. My prior reply was my {gist of the idea} its details are totally incomprehensible without first knowing their gist.
Apr 25, 2024 17:50
@confusedcius Minimal Type Theory (YACC BNF)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331859461_Minimal_Type_Theory_YACC_BNF
Apr 25, 2024 16:57
@confusedcius Yes you are correct I had a syntax error:
∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (True(L, x) ≡ (L ⊢ x))
∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (False(L, x) ≡ (L ⊢ ~x))
∃L ∈ Formal_Systems, ∃x ∈ L (Truth_Bearer(L, x) ≡ (True(L, x) ∨ False(L, x)) )

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331859461_Minimal_Type_Theory_YACC_BNF
I created Minimal Type Theory so that I could concisely encode actual self-reference.
In all the literature it is conventional to encode self-reference incorrectly.
LP := ~True(LP)
Apr 25, 2024 15:59
@confusedcius ---
The capability of screening out self-contradictory expressions that would otherwise prove undecidability and incompleteness.

True(L, x) ≡ ∃x ∈ L (L ⊢ x)
False(L, x) ≡ ∃x ∈ L (L ⊢ ¬x)
Truth_Bearer(L, x) ≡ ∃x ∈ L (True(L, x) ∨ False(L, x))
Apr 25, 2024 14:03
@confusedcius >>>prolog rules and back-chained inference is quite different from inference in natural language, so it's not obvious that it would translate well.<<< Not at all humans do the exact same thing. Humans may be able to skip a few steps by having the results of the intermediate steps memorized.

>>>prolog assumes any fact not stated is false<<< Not really instead (negation as failure) assumes that any Fact not stated is untrue.

>>>horn clauses is restrictive of the structure of facts one can state<<< I am not referring to that aspect of Prolog. The key aspect of Prolog that I am
Apr 25, 2024 02:26
@confusedcius Is is all of the natural language meanings in the world specified in Montague Grammar. True(L, x) is anchored in relations between finite strings of Facts (just like Prolog facts only enormously more details) and Prolog Rules, back-chained inference.
Apr 24, 2024 23:19
@confusedcius >>>You can’t just say you’re using proof theory without giving me the inference rules lol Then how do I actually know what the connectives are and what’s provable?<<< {true on the basis of meaning} seems to only have one inference rule {meaning} and a book of facts hundreds of light years tall. This book is organized as a knowledge ontology. It is basically extending the gist of the idea of the syllogism to cover any and all general knowledge that can be expressed using language.
Apr 24, 2024 21:21
@confusedcius Every expression of language that is {true on the basis of its meaning} is untrue unless it has a connection to its truth-maker. I am using proof theory, not model theory, thus all meaning is formalized and True(L,x) is a relation between finite strings.

A contradiction only actually means FALSE and nothing more or less than that. Marilyn Vos Savant (World's highest IQ) seems to be correct that (paraphrase) education systems abolish all independent thought and replace it with conformity.
Apr 24, 2024 20:29
@confusedcius modal logic not model theory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic
Apr 24, 2024 19:27
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It is simply the model {necessarily} operator that I employ as a binary operator.

¬ Not □ Necessarily ◇ Possibly

◇P ↔ ¬□¬P
Possibly(P) <is> Not(Necessarily(Not(P)))

□P ↔ ¬◇¬P
Necessarily(P) <is> Not(Possibly(Not(P)))
Apr 24, 2024 17:57
@confusedcius When we introduce my idea of a binary form of the unary modal operator such that {P, ¬P} □ Q means that Q is a necessary consequence of all of its premises then the principle of explosion ceases to exist and is seen for what it was all along the non-sequitur error.
Apr 24, 2024 14:59
@confusedcius What is it about the semantic meaning of (a) Donald Trump is Stupid & (b) Donald Trump is not Stupid that semantically entails (c) Donald Trump is God? The only thing that I can tell that (a) Donald Trump is Stupid & (b) Donald Trump is not Stupid semantically entails is FALSE. The only thing that FALSE semantically entails is FALSE. It seems that I am using proof theory and not model theory. Proof theory requires that semantics is translated into syntax.
Apr 24, 2024 04:29
@confusedcius Very hard is an enormous improvement over impossible. The key is provided by Montague Grammar. plato.stanford.edu/entries/montague-semantics
Apr 24, 2024 01:49
@confusedcius Trump is stupid and Trump is not Stupid therefore Trump is God. (no semantic connection).
Apr 24, 2024 01:47
@confusedcius All cats are animals, all animals are living things therefore all cats are living things. (semantic connection).
Apr 24, 2024 00:48
@confusedcius We can see the semantic details of how syllogisms derives what logically follows from its premises. POE simply dogmatically declares that none of these details are needed.
Apr 23, 2024 22:21
@confusedcius >>>I also don’t see why non-sequitur should be an error in the case of a contradiction.<<< It is ALWAYS an error, thus an error in every specific instance. All that a contradiction ever semantically entails is FALSE.
Apr 23, 2024 19:57
@confusedcius >>>Now you’re in the right track. While your previous syllogism was not valid, this is valid in any non-paraconsistent logic like relevant logic<<< Since I showed that it is obviously the non-sequitur error how do you say it is valid?
Apr 23, 2024 03:56
@confusedcius ---
Socrates is a man.
Socrates is not a man.
Therefore, Socrates is a butterfly
The conclusion does not follow from the premises, thus the non-sequitur error.
Apr 23, 2024 02:56
@confusedcius Some S that are P are not P.
Apr 23, 2024 02:54
@confusedcius To show that it <is> not the non sequitur error requires finding the intersection of a pair of disjoint categorial propositions.
Apr 23, 2024 00:59
@confusedcius Yet (A ∧ ¬A) ⊢ B is simply a non-sequitur error as a syllogism.
Socrates is a man.
Socrates is not a man.
Therefore, Socrates is a butterfly
Apr 22, 2024 21:33
@confusedcius We have been over this and over this, you must be in psychological denial (or worse) You even discussed this yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion
Apr 22, 2024 20:33
@confusedcius Try and say "I am going to go to the store and buy some ice cream" in any of them where every nuance of the details of the full semantics of the English words must be exhaustively specified. ex contradictione [sequitur] quodlibet, 'from contradiction, anything [follows]'), is simply the non-sequitur error that is dogmatically proclaimed to be correct reasoning.
Apr 22, 2024 19:59
@confusedcius That is far far less than one quadrillionth of a percent of semantics.
Apr 22, 2024 19:42
@confusedcius >>>I don't know Montague semantics, but I don't see how that's relevant. <<< When you say that you know semantics meaning that you know the semantics of arithmetic that is like saying you know mathematics because you know how to count to three.
Apr 22, 2024 19:28
@confusedcius >>>there is nothing to ignore because that is how semantics is formally defined.<<< So you don't know Montague semantics very well if at all >>>most logic is able to cleverly sidestep the controversial issue of whether a counterfactual statement can be true.<<< I would say ignoramusly not cleverly All of the facts of the world are axioms of the correct model of the actual world.
Apr 22, 2024 19:19
@confusedcius I see. In other words you are simply ignoring semantics. This allows you to believe that a one ounce mouse may weigh one ounce and also weight fifteen tons because the contradiction that one ounce is not fifteen tons is not expressly stated.
Apr 22, 2024 19:13
@confusedcius >>>it is logically possible for a false premise to be true<<< How it that? If we know that the premise is definitely false how can it be true?
Apr 22, 2024 19:09
@confusedcius You might have a greater understanding of these by knowing exactly what the words that don't mean what they say are taken to mean. I can only go by what the words actually say.
Apr 22, 2024 19:05
@confusedcius If it <is> logically impossible for a false premise to be true then any conclusion having a false premise exactly takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false
Apr 22, 2024 19:02
@confusedcius I am understanding exactly what the words are saying if they don't mean what they are saying then how can I understand them?
Apr 22, 2024 19:01
@confusedcius Would you agree that is it logically impossible for a false premise to be true or merely very unlikely?
Apr 22, 2024 18:48
@confusedcius Validity and Soundness
A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherwise, a deductive argument is said to be invalid.
https://iep.utm.edu/val-snd/

This literally means that a false conclusion with a false premise <is> a valid argument even if the whole argument is the non-sequitur error.
Apr 22, 2024 18:48
@confusedcius I am going by what the words actually say and you are saying that the words mean something entirely different than what they say. Although that may be true I would count that as yet another error of logic.
Apr 22, 2024 18:36
@confusedcius What you seem to be saying is that "from false anything follows" does not mean {from false anything follows}. This seems to be simply denying the identity principle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
Apr 22, 2024 18:17
@confusedcius >>>EFQ doesn’t, that’s a common mistake to make. “From falsehood anything follows” is the wrong characterization; <<< Khoury College of Computer Sciences - Northeastern University disagrees
Apr 22, 2024 17:42
@confusedcius I already proved that your understanding of EFQ was counter-factual. Please acknowledge that before proceeding.
Apr 22, 2024 15:48
@confusedcius ***Validity and Soundness***
A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherwise, a deductive argument is said to be invalid.
https://iep.utm.edu/val-snd/
Apr 22, 2024 15:38
@confusedcius "One of the oldest statements from logic is ex falso quodlibet. Translated as "from falsehood, anything follows", the idea is that if you have a proof of false, you can prove any theorem." course.ccs.neu.edu/cs2800sp23/l14.html From Khoury College of Computer Sciences - Northeastern University
Apr 22, 2024 13:53
@confusedcius >>>What I’m trying to say is that logic DOES NOT SAY that “the moon is made from green cheese” proves that “Donald Trump is God”. <<< EFQ (in my prior reply) does prove: {the Moon is made from green cheese} proves that {Donald Trump is God}. because the Moon is made from green cheese is false and EFQ proves any thing that has a false premise. EFQ is one of the greatest errors that modern logic makes. Click on the link if you need more details to confirm this.
Apr 22, 2024 05:45
@confusedcius
Apr 22, 2024 05:42
the principle of explosion (Latin: ex falso [sequitur] quodlibet, 'from falsehood, anything [follows]';
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion