Ashish Shukla

Oh sorry. Unfamiliarity with language or speaking style may have caused the confusion. But this pairing works. Mind interats with Mind and Heart with Heart. Two intellectuals can converse but if two people one is pure logic and other pure feeling won't be able to carry a conversation. Similarly Ego will Clash with Ego, that's why we have "adult conversation" as well as "heart to heart talks". Again not getting carried away here :) it's just the way things work.

@Hudjefa See you yourself wrote that you haven't read about it, so you don't know much. Also reading about Mind isn't going to do you lot of good?! Also you haven't explored Mind on your own otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned "reading". So ya it's pair matching of sorts but not because I got carried away. I've been studying this for many years now and have asked many question around this topic. I know a thing or two :)

@Hudjefa Well so say you...

@Hudjefa Ludological is coincidence, i wrote what i saw in me...

@TedWrigley Most of my questions are like that because I don't think anyone's working on that. There is nothing mystical about it in the sense that I've studied myself for this theory not some texts. There DEFINITELY IS some agency in us that's way way beyond normal perception and all the Profundity is with it. I hope it helps someone.

@microondas Read my earlier comments multiple times. All you need is there, if you still don't see it, then maybe you have some more "growing up" to do. Philosophy is not about information it's about Knowledge and you'll get there when you get there. However I wanted to tell this to you, Death is an Experience as Sleep is. You can consider sleep as Mini Death. Can You understand sleep logically, all of it...

@microondas You don't get higher Truths BECAUSE OF MIND, rather you recieve higher Truth Despite it. Any further questions in this regard are useless because you won't reach there by discussing about it. Whatever needs to be done, I've already mentioned in my previous comment.

@microondas DID you read my comment posted above I have given examples of higher Truths. It's different from regular Truth like Death, the regular truth is "The end" but higher Truth is that it's an Experience as Life is. How you can reach higher Truth. By preparing your cognitive Machinery and the Being through Spiritual Practices(Refer ShriPatanjalYogPradeep, it's not about religion) to recieve higher truth and God's grace. Higher Truths reveal themselves, you hardly reach there through Mind...

@JMac Also we "Experience" Mind, hence "experiencing" by definition is something that is beyond Mind. All these Higher Truths are "witnessed" or "Experienced" rather than "learned" by reading or listening.

@microondas Please see this ↑

@JMac Higher Truths are "witnessed" by Being from a level of awareness that lies Beyond Mind, meaning beyong your Beliefs. While witnessing there is no interpreting, evaluating or "thinking" all of that happens later. While witnessing you become part of the Experience. Higher Truths have Profound Meanings. Example of Higher Truths, Life, Death, Consciousness or True Self, Nature, World, your Meta Physical(Ego, Heart, Mind, Chitta[indian philosophy]), Elements etc. Absolutes like Zero, Absoluteness itself. I hope this clarifies things...

@microondas Please see my previous comment to jmac.

@jmac Good question what is higher Truth?! Gimme some time lemme phrase it properly in my Head and then I'll post...

@MauroALLEGRANZA Hey Mauro, I have added explanation in Question Edit...

@keshlam You are spot on, what I meant was there is a True Self which is a.k.a Soul/Consciousness etc. AND then there is "assumed Self", or a vague "sense of Self". Vague because Noone can really tell what "Self" is or for that matter what "sense of self" is. That's the Truth so this World, these humans work perfectly fine at living a life that is vague about vague. "Sense of Self" is vague itself and then our understanding, (that we live by, )of this "sense of self" is also vague. Only yesterday I was thinking about How many levels of abstraction does, Maya, The Illusion, has...

@keshlam Hi keshlam, long time no see! I've added clarification in the question.

@JMac I never say can be found only by Spiritual means, what I say is that if Higher Truth is what you want then Spirituality has evolved, refined, perfected ways to make yourself available to Higher Truth, or Your True Self. Another request, please be very specific when talking about what's vague :). from your comment I couldn't understand which part of the question is vague or assumed.

@CriglCragl There is a disconnect at multiple levels, Culture, Language, Formal Studies etc. We'll have such frictions hopefully I will be able to communicate better with time...

@MichaelHall And I totally agree with you sir. It is, also that Philosophers use different new English words. I was once telling Chris Degnen that English Language is what I learned most since becoming active in SE Philosophy. So ya and moreover I live with Kids, my whole friend circle is that so I have realised I am ACTUALLY forgetting how to talk like grownups. I am ready to sacrifice EVERYTHING to get a kid's Innocence purity clarity. Kids are awesome, but grownups?! They're ok it's just that their talks are beyond me. Don't understand grownups mostly...

@CriglCragl For all the "gyan" You are giving me on what and what not, I wish you had spend half, a quarter of that time in discussing the actual question. It is very easy to pass judgement on someone else's work. I think the REAL TALENT is in producing something original or same Knowledge differently. It surely won't hurt you to know the same thing differently. I talk about the same things as other Philosophers did. Please spent time with the question...

@MichaelHall The question that this question is "supposedly" duplicate of, is way more difficult way of asking the same question, if at all they are asking the same question. Simple question and simple answers are always preferred over complicated ones. But whatever man, Being so strict about rules when (if) the question is otherwise meaningful is, in my opinion counterproductive. But whatever, I tried, I will keep trying...

@MichaelHall Yes I've been told many times that this is Q&A site about already known Philosophy. My questions mostly are about Being, Metaphysical which are anyways part of ALL human related Philosophies. I ask, in my opinion, questions that target something specific and not just the "theoretical" Knowledge, right or wrong there is practical experience here. I have been pursuing it for many years now. So if I can contribute and learn something, why not. I mean I don't ask questions for asking sake, it is important to me and I hope it is important to someone else as well.

@TedWrigley A good point. However what we call "real" is actually a construction of Mind only...

@lowri so you mean you see nothing worthwhile whether personal Philosophy is not. No one owns Knowledge. Do you prefer it to come from some specific person or group because all we do here is discuss someone else's Philosophy. Do I have to be celebrity first then only I can post some Knowledge?!

@MichaelHall I'll have to read about it a little bit before I understand your comment.

@ac15 it is vastly different, while that question is open to any and all suggestions, here I have given very specific reasoning, why I think so. Also that is from dreaming and awake STATE while this one is independent of state.

No, no obligation...

We cannot define Morality Objectively because we don't know all the Primitives, their Values, and their Relations. Morality isn't Static, it's like an equation. The same value of a particular variable may give a True or False depending upon values of other variables...

@microondas Thanks for the effort.microondas, from our previous discussions I feel you don't have clarity on outside/inside world, you work with ordinary Meanings ans also you don't have much insight into experience. So thanks for the "big heap" of effort...

@controlgroup One day they'll understand, you'll understand...

@controlgroup Maybe someone can. ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW WHEREVER YOU ARE, RIGHT NOW. You have to enable yourself to recieve it. That enablement is not just "Logical enablement" as in "if you become a Guru of Logic, you'll understand higher Truths". NOPE, NOT AT ALL. Yes Logic is a skill, a very useful one but think of it this way, when I think of something like time, I like to think in terms of absolutes. In such situations there is no "False". All your "Reasoning" is with respect to an Undeniable Unfalsifiable Ultimate Truth. Tell me how will Logic help me here...

@keshlam You'll suggest everything other than answering the Question. The question is very clear, it all depends upon your state of being. If outside vs inside isn't clear to you, if Mind, Being, Consciousness isn't clear to you then my questions won't be clear to you. You cannot "think" you assume a point of view, your being should have attained that state. I have always been saying, the Real Truth, The COMPLETE TRUTH cannot cannot be understood by Mind alone, you'll have to have that State. If someone isn't in that state, frankly my questions are beyond such a person...

@keshlam In case you missed, that's P.S - Post Script. Some extra information that might be helpful in understanding this question. It appears to me that you are focused on "finding" something wrong with the my questions because usually you have nothing to say about the good bits but only where my questions are lacking. Strange?!

@JonathanZ I thought Space and Time are shared piece of Knowledge...

@ScottRowe Correct, I mean I understand how difficult it is to get beyond the Belief that you are Male or Female, or Human. I can GUARANTEE, Mind cannot help you here. It requires Divine help, to unlearn that is. But is possible...

@ScottRowe Actually you don't accept higher Truth "because of" Mind, you Actually accept "despite it". Because Mind cannot deny an Undeniable Truth it Witnessed. Mind finds the explanation post facto, if at all it does...

@ScottRowe Physical limitations were never a limitation in seeing "The Truth" because there are Enlightened Souls and I don't think they see X-Rays either. "No point of view" is possible, it's just you are not seeing the "possibility" in this statement. I would advise spending considerable time with young kids, you'll have to mingle with them so closely that they consider you "part of the group", are COMPLETELY THEMSELVES. Their company, is where you'll see "possibility" of opnionless human/World. Objectivity is possible but you then technically don't remain human, you only look human...

@Rushi Can I use ChatGPT to format my questions inline with that of constructor's edit....

@constructor Thanks so much for the edit. You know honestly I don't think I can talk like that. Hey constructor can I use ChatGPT to Format my questions, because people may Object, "Oh your question looks ChatGPT generated?!", hence downvote...

@ScottRowe Mind IS a Machine, a metaphysical Machine with set rules and principles. It has been extensively researched in Sanatan Scriptures like YogVashishtha and PatanjalYogPradeep among others...

@ScottRowe Hi Scott, it is possible to detach Mind from Being, if not detach atleast see in 2nd 3rd person. This lies in the domain of Spirituality and is a known milestone, "moving past or conquering" your meta physical body(Heart mind ego). Do you agree, at the minimum, we need something, some way, to see Truth from beyond Mind/Subjectivity. Whether or not it is possible is a separate question. Some day humanity to remain relevant will have to move beyond Mind as Species, because machines have already reached Mind, ChatGPT for instance, "intelligent it is"...

@RodolfoAP Hi Rodolfo, I said "Capable"/"possible". You know I agree with every human is subject. Tell me something, are you saying an unremarkable Being impossible. Can we not strip away every "uniqueness" in a Being and arrive at a "Common Unremarkable Denominator". Also if you are talking about Objectivity then you cannot limit yourself to interpretations/conclusions of Logic/Mind because Objectivity is Beyond Mind. We'll have to see things from the beyond Mind, beyond Subjectivity. Mind is where Subjectivity is...

@MauroALLEGRANZA The notion of Objectivity, talks about just Defining Objectivity, but this question is about "using" it. So maybe it'll bring out some new points...

@MauroALLEGRANZA Yup yup I was sure someone would ask the definition Question, What is Objectivity. Thanks for asking it. No I don't have an answer right now, I'll have to think about it....

Let us continue this discussion in chat.

@Rushi I think we edited over each other. Lemme edit it again.

Cool but as control group says my posts are difficult to understand, so wanted to ask is the meaning clear?!

@Rushi Hey Rushi, is it clear in it's meaning?!

@Rushi Can I keep the first all caps, because I feel it that way.

@controlgroup That's a Real problem then...