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Dan
Oct 29, 2020 19:41
I'll share Google Doc with you
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 19:40
@TRiG awesome. Also if you want to see more info, email me at dan at laserkittens dot com
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 19:40
I shared a Google Docs document with Jack Douglas, Caleb (but never heard from him), Monica Cellio, Mithical, Frank Luke (current/former BH.SE user, not sure if also C.SE), David R., El'Endia Starman (Lee), etc.
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 19:38
@Nathanielisprotesting hey I replied to your comment on Codidact, too, but couldn't find your email address
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 02:33
@21576 (not sure if user ID works for ping)
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 02:32
I was actually trying to find your email @TRiG to include in my email updates but could not find it (although I found many blogs haha)
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 02:31
meta.codidact.com/q/278764
Dan
Oct 29, 2020 02:31
Not trying to come across as spam, but I'm aware of the discontent with SE as an organization and that several users have left as a result. In the rare chance some of them still haunt this chat (or someone here knows how to contact them), or if anyone here is interested, there is currently a proposal for a Christianity-focused community site at Codidact:
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Imported from a comment discussion on hermeneutics.stackexchan...
Dan
Oct 7, 2018 00:17
Will try to find time to post but not sure I will have any for a couple weeks unfortunately (kids, travel, work)
Dan
Oct 7, 2018 00:17
Unfortunately the user who posted an answer did not answer the question
Dan
Oct 7, 2018 00:15
I have not had time to focus on this for awhile
Dan
Oct 7, 2018 00:15
@Ruminator sorry for delayed response
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:45
but they precede this with pages of discussion about "the classical concept of sobriety"
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:44
>Paul’s recovery of the classical concept of sobriety is confirmed by its association with μέτρον (“measure”) in 12:3d*.52 The standard of “sober-mindedness,” Paul suggests, is the “measure consisting of faith that God dealt out to each.” There is an element of ambiguity, however, because μέτρον has roughly the same range of meanings in Greek as the term “measure” in English, implying an instrument or scale of measurement, the result of measurement in terms of quantity, size, or meter, or a limit or proportion derived by comparison with an instrument of measurement. The primary meaning is “…
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:44
but a simplified answer could come just from this quote:
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:42
they seem to bring a strong Protestant theological backdrop to the text that I don't share
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:42
and it's tricky because I disagree with the Hermeneia commentators but find a lot of their background information helpful
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:39
I don't have time
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:39
but with the addition of linking it to sober, I could write PAGES to explain it all haha
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:37
but this wordplay shows up a lot in the language outside of the NT as well, in a way the readers would have been familiar with (Socrates, Homer)
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:37
(it also shows up in 11:20, 25)
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:36
the wordplay is using the stem φρον- ("think, be minded") in four ways in this section of the letter
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:35
but it doesn't require it
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:34
@Ruminator well the word play points me more towards interpreting measure in 12:3 as "limit"
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:31
Rule of Faith
The rule of faith (Latin: regula fidei) is the name given to the ultimate authority or standard in religious belief. It was used by Early Christian writers as Tertullian. The phrase is sometimes used for early creeds. == Meaning == As a standard for adherence to orthodoxy, rule of faith originally referred to the Old Roman Symbol, which was an earlier and shorter version of the Apostles' Creed and other later statements of faith. As a historical standard for adherence to orthodoxy, rule of faith may also refer to other statements of faith including the Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed, Augs...
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:31
see
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 18:31
@Ruminator originally it was just a fancy term for an early Christian creed
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 17:48
@Ruminator your question actually ties this to sober-mindedness, which actually I think is a wordplay
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 17:43
@Ruminator yeah, I thought it was interesting as a third approach I hadn't even considered
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 17:43
it is difficult because a lot of commentaries read later ideas into this text, especially in v. 6 concerning the regula fidei ("rule of faith" (KJV), "analogy of faith")
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 17:42
@Ruminator same - you've made me reconsider my interpretation of this passage
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 17:42
@Ruminator well, if you want - I'll take a stab at it ;)
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 14:53
vv. 3,6: "Through the grace which was given to me, I have this to say to each one of you: don't think of yourselves more highly than you ought to think. Rather, think soberly, in line with faith, the true standard which God has marked out for each of you.... Well then, we have gifts that differ in accordance with the grace that has been given to us, and we must use them appropriately. If it is prophecy, we must prophesy according to the pattern of the faith."
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 14:51
@Ruminator not sure if you have access to NT Wright's Kingdom NT, but here is how he translates this:
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:19
that is my opinion
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:19
:P
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:19
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Q: We need to downvote more

DanDISCLAIMER: Allow me to begin with a caveat: SE users are free to vote however they please. The only 'official' criteria for voting on questions are: It shows research effort It is useful It is clear And the only 'official' criterion for voting on answers is: It is useful These are very s...

discussion voting
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:18
well i should lay down my cards on DV's
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:18
@Ruminator yes, here in chat
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:17
post link to question and answer when you're done as a reminder to me to go back and vote
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:16
but i think the discipline is well worth it
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:16
it can be frustrating at times because it's like approaching the text with your arms tied behind your back
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:15
not a discussion forum
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:15
but this is a Q&A site
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:15
rather than answering the question
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:15
trust me - i love learning stuff like this and discussing it
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:15
as it reads, it seems more you had a point to make about metron and you used this question as an occasion to make it
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:14
on the question and answer
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:14
at least you'll get one from me!
Dan
Oct 1, 2018 04:14
but likely to get more upvotes