Jul 16, 2023 20:17
@Et- Hmm. I guess it's conceivable, but I would be surprised. I will try to think about it more some other time. My guess is it comes more from us making a silly mistake about translating everything into coordinates, but I suppose I could be wrong.
Jul 16, 2023 20:12
@Et- I don't quite understand -- you think that it's not true that $G$ is glued from gluing the trivial extension to itself over a cover?
Jul 16, 2023 20:09
@Et- What do you mean 'in the abstract construction of $G$ itself'?
Jul 16, 2023 19:31
Will do.
Jul 16, 2023 19:29
@Et- Huh, OK. I will need to think on it. I am not sure where the error is -- it's probably another silly thing. Sorry for the trouble -- doing these nitty-gritty calculations can sometimes be a bit difficult to get right (even though conceptually they are simple). When I have more time I will try to sort this out if you haven't by then.
Jul 16, 2023 19:19
to be clear, our thing cannot be reduced, so it better not be a product of fields.
Jul 16, 2023 19:18
@Et- Yeah, I'm not sure I see what could be wrong here -- are you confident that you really get a product of fields -- this would confirm that it's an error in our set-up.
Jul 16, 2023 19:16
Let me think what could be going wrong here.
Jul 16, 2023 19:16
@Et- Hmm, I see a mistake in my calculation unfortunately.
Jul 16, 2023 19:06
I can write out my calculations if that's helpful
Jul 16, 2023 19:06
So it is the $k$-point (which is expected.
Jul 16, 2023 19:06
@Et- I could have miscalculated,but I just did the basic case when $p=2$ and for $f_1$ I got that it has to be in $k$.
Jul 16, 2023 18:55
OK, let me think about this for a second.
Jul 16, 2023 18:04
(sorry for not seeing this earlier)
Jul 16, 2023 18:04
this is an automorphism over $k[T,S]/(T^p-a,S^p-a)$ after all
Jul 16, 2023 18:03
Remember we are multiplying ty $(T/s)^i$ 'on $\mu_p$'
Jul 16, 2023 18:03
Shouldn't it be more like the second one sends $(f_i(X,Y_i))$ to $(f_i(T,(T/s)^i Y_i)$?
Jul 16, 2023 18:03
@Et- I just realized there is a mistake above.
Jul 16, 2023 17:42
Nice. Ping me on here with @ if you finish it.
Jul 16, 2023 17:42
Sure, I think we get a different thing a priori, but it just shifts the isomorphism classes around (via $x\mapsto x^{-1}$) or something.
Jul 16, 2023 17:41
If you're invested, it would be nice to actually compute what $\mathcal{O}(G)$ looks like with this gluing data, and make sure we get a $k$-Hopf algebra whose base change to $k(\sqrt[p]{a})$ is $\mu_p\times \mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:40
does that seem reasonable to you?
Jul 16, 2023 17:39
and the other is $(f_i(X,Y_i))$ maps to $f((T/S)^i T,Y_i)$
Jul 16, 2023 17:39
sending $(f_i(X,Y_i))$ to $f(S,Y_i)$
Jul 16, 2023 17:39
I think one is the map $$\prod_{i\in\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb[Z}}k[X][Y_i]/(Y_i^p-1)$
Jul 16, 2023 17:37
does coprojection mean the map on rings induced by the projections?
Jul 16, 2023 17:35
Does that sound right to you?
Jul 16, 2023 17:35
$(0,...,0,(T/S)^i x_i,0,...,0)$
Jul 16, 2023 17:35
Then, I think the automorphism corresponds to sending $(0,...,0,x_i,0,...0)$ to
Jul 16, 2023 17:34
Let's choose the generator $T/S$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:34
right so either $T/S$ or $S/T$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:34
I think we need to choose a generator (but I think this doesn't matter much) for $\mu_p(k[T,S]/(T^p-a,S^p-a)$$
Jul 16, 2023 17:33
I think it's just, as before, $\prod_{i\in\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}}k[T,S][Y]/(S^p-a,T^p-a,Y^p-1)$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:33
We need to write down $\mu_p\times\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$ as a co-algebra over $k[T,S]/(T^p-a,S^p-a)$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:32
@Et- So let's think here.
Jul 16, 2023 17:30
Exactly right
Jul 16, 2023 17:28
Does that make sense?
Jul 16, 2023 17:28
The trivial gluing then basically identify $S$ and $T$, but our non-tivial gluing data modifies this in the way I think I wrote above.
Jul 16, 2023 17:27
like I said I think that it's helpful to understand the 'symmetry' of $U\times_X U$ as $k[S,T]/(T^p-a,S^p-a)$ and our two projection maps then correspond to the map $k[X]/(X^p-a)\to k[T,S]/(T^p-a,S^p-a)$ given by sending $X$ to $S$ or $T$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:26
I just think it was that we were not being careful about what projection maps looked like
Jul 16, 2023 17:24
@Et- Yo. I'm at a computer now if you wanna try to talk this out real quick.
Jul 16, 2023 17:17
@Et- Ah, you are right! I was hasty last night and made a computational mistake as I worried. I cannot fix it right now, but I will fix it later. But, perhaps you can sort it out for yourself before then and let me know what you get here, so we can compare answers. The issue is that the two projection maps $U\times X U$ correspond to the two two natural maps $k(\sqrt{a})\to k(\sqrt{a})\otimes_k k(\sqrt{a})$. To make this extra clear, let us write the first $k(\sqrt{a})$ as $k[S]/(S^p-a)$ and the second copy as $k[T]/(T^p-a)$. Then, this tensor product is $k[S,T]/(S^p-a,T^p-a)$.
Jul 16, 2023 17:17
Before we were writing this as $k(\sqrt[p]{a})[T]/(T^p-a)$ which led to the confusion. Finally, let us write the source copy of $k(\sqrt[p]{a})$ as $k[X]/(X^p-a)$. Then, the two projection maps (no gluing yet!!) are given by the one sending $X$ to $S$, and the other sending $X$ to $T$. So, I think the gluing data probably looks like something $f_i(S)=f_i((\tfrac{T}{S}-1)^i T)$ in $k[S,T]/(S^p-a,T^p-a)$ (but again I am on mobile so I cannot check carefully). I will look again later. Let me know what you get.
Jul 16, 2023 17:17
@Et- Oops, you're right -- it's the comultiplication that shifts -- thanks for the catch!
Jul 16, 2023 17:17
@Et- Glad it helped. See the above edit (but heed the warning about checking my work).
 
Feb 17, 2021 19:11
Best of luck!
Feb 17, 2021 19:11
anyways, I'm sure you've heard enough
Feb 17, 2021 19:11
you can't find a neighborhood of the Guass point where it's an isomorphism
Feb 17, 2021 19:11
and it very much 'acts like the disk mapping to the disk by squaring'
Feb 17, 2021 19:11
the Guass point is the only point which maps to the Gauss point