@curiousdannii I've wondered for a while if that the LGBQ parts of LGBTQIA+ and the TIA parts are not categorically correctly associated. It's not implausible that transgenderism is a genuine medical condition, a consequence of the Fall generally rather than an individual's sin specifically.
@curiousdannii "t was probably a well intentioned book which said a few unwise things, and was taken up too enthusiastically by less well intentioned people" when I saw this quote I knew it would be about I Kissed Dating Goodbye without knowing any context lol
@curiousdannii my answer in the ARPC doesn't inline quote much, and I doubt I will have time to clean it up any time soon. You are welcome to modify it as you like (is that what community wiki is for?) if you think it needs some quotes and clarifications. I don't think I've done a very scholarly job myself.
Those who are in attendance are going to some pretty shoddy churches in general, too. There are very few attending what I would call Bible-centered churches.
In NZ we used to have ~30-40% attendees weekly, and 99% professing Christians. A quarter of that now attend weekly, and professers dropped to I think 45% or so. I think in 50 years there will be only ~20% professing Christians maybe, if the current trend continues.
@LeeWoofenden There's no Biblical support because you didn't draw your argument nor conclusions in any logical manner from Bible verses. Even if you quoted more you would still need to show how your conclusions follow.
Amnon loved Tamar (sinfully), Solomon loved many women (also sinfully) in 1 Kings 11:1, Rehoboam loved Maacah more than his other wives and concubines in 2 Chronicles 11:21, the king loved Esther in Esther 2:17, Ecclesiastes 9:9 assumes that husbands love their wives. Need I go on?
Isaac loved Rebekah, Jacob loved Rachel (before marriage also), Leah desired the love of her husband, Shechem is said to have loved Dinah in Genesis 34, Exodus 21:5 speaks of a slave loving his wife, Samson loved Delilah in Judges 16:4, Elkanah loved Hannah in 1 Samuel 5, Michal loved David in 1 Samuel 18:20, 2 Samuel 1:26 assumes that men love women (or perhaps vice versa).
The exemplary marriage we are given is between God and his people, although of course only one of those parties behaves perfectly in that marriage relationship.
@LeeWoofenden A huge concept throughout the entire Bible is the idea that God is the groom and his people are the church. Every time the Bible talks about God's love for his people, we are seeing love within a marriage described.
@LeeWoofenden The first article you linked, dealing with the seven husbands issue, has only the 3 passages about seven husbands, and then one passage about marriage joining two together. I'm not ignoring anything, I am simply unable to find in that article any Biblical support for your position.
@LeeWoofenden I am sure that the Bible doesn't say everything about everything. If it doesn't tell us what marriage will be like in heaven then I have no other source of knowledge on the matter, so I would simply say "I don't know" rather than "you will end up married to your soul mate" and whatever other conclusions you pulled out of thin air.
"That is why especially in the higher heavens, a married couple is commonly called “one angel.” From a distance, they may even appear as a single person.
Section titled "What happens to us when we die?", no Bible references at all, builds its theology entirely on Swedenborg. "Who will we be married to in heaven?" references nothing, as do the next two sections.
@LeeWoofenden Statements like "It is this character that we have formed through our lifetime on earth, and up to the time of our death, that will determine who we will be married to in heaven." no Bible references, neither "During the course of our lifetime here on earth, we develop into the angel we will become. "
Do you have any Bible verses to support the idea that we will marry one particular person in heaven that is perfectly matched to us? Also, Jesus says we will be like the angels. Do angels then marry?
It doesn't follow that they need to be in a lower position, just because they should submit themselves to kings and governors. We also have to submit ourselves to elders in the church, but yet Christians must also be the elders in the church.
@4castle So a position that is good, ordained by God, a position that is held by God's servant, is one that a Christian is forbidden to occupy, even though the text in no way mentions that?
I agree that not every action performed by human governments is approved by God, but one that is explicitly approved by God is the punishing of evil by the sword.
@4castle Vengeance and justice aren't the same thing. Romans 13 makes it clear that the civil magistrate is the servant of God, and thus an approved position to be in for a Christian.
