Feb 27, 2017 04:46
To me the biggest doctrinal difference between the Mahayana and Theravada is the argument that there is no permanent Nibanna as described by Theravada, this makes the goal of Buddhism radically different. The goal isn't to get to a magical deathless state where you will never be reborn, but to make use of the Dharma so that one can end suffering for oneself and others indefinitely (but not permanently). Hence the emphasis in remaining in the world to teach and liberate sentient beings.
Feb 27, 2017 03:26
Yes, despite the fact that the style of Mahayana sutras are a lot more 'baroque' and therefore less authentic in the views of scholars, I can't help but notice the tendencies for Theravada Buddhists to take the Pali Canon as absolutely infallible and acting like Biblical literalists with regards to prophesies. I can't help but think that Mahayana was written in this style to prevent similar reification.
Feb 27, 2017 03:15
I agree with Wermske, I think it is because Bhumishu isn't a strong practicing Buddhist, so his faith is easily shaken. I think when dealing with Mahayana sutras and even the Pali Suttas, one have to read between the lines there, you can't literally expect every details to be the exact word of the Buddha. But ultimately it is the message of each sutra that is important, that is where we should concern ourself with. And yes, I am certain that the message of Mahayana is better than Theravada.
Feb 19, 2017 10:16
Mean while it is the truth that Theravada Buddhism is much more conservative compared to Mahayana Buddhism, however this does not mean Theravada is the truth nor that Mahayana is false, in fact the goals of many Mahayana sutras is to counter the ontological claims of many Early Buddhist sutras, Theravada included.
Feb 19, 2017 10:14
"Could the great Kumarajiva, or Xuánzàng, or many great Buddhist scholars living in the past devoted their lives, be so ignorant that they took the Sanskrit Sutras to translate or study, which, according to the Pali sect, were not authentic or spoken by the Buddha? Especially Xuánzàng who traveled and lived in the Indian region where Buddha traversing, and studied in Nalanda."

Both Kumarajiva and Xuanzang came to the conclusion after years of studying the materials that the message in Mahayana sutras were superior to Early Buddhist texts.
Feb 19, 2017 10:11
"First time I heard about the Pali Canon was told by a friend who said "only the Pali Suttas are authentically spoken by the Buddha, those Mahayana Sutras are, craps ('Don't know where were they coming from', in her phrase)." This was exactly what she said, though didn't represent anyone except herself - she was back from a retreat in Nepal/Burma (I forgot the exact but definitely was one of those Theravada Schools retreats). I got the sense that she was re-telling what she was told and of course, added with her own conviction. This was in the beginning days of my learning Buddhism. I didn'
 
Jan 28, 2017 08:06
Dhammadhatu is right, in the ten ox pictures, the ox refers to the mind not emptiness.
 

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Aug 24, 2016 12:42
Also, attributing things you don't understand on local religious and philosophical traditions seems unfair. What if outsiders were to say that the Tibetans mixed in Bon religious thoughts and gods into Tibetan Buddhism. While the Confucian philosophy and Taoism were quite sophisticated in their thinking as far as secular philosophy and religions go, they did not result in the alteration of Chinese Buddhist doctrine although in practice the views are harmonized.

What Zongmi said:
"Since encouraging the myriad practices, admonishing against evil, and promoting good contribute in common to or
Aug 24, 2016 12:29
"The point is that there is a period during which the Chinese came up with their own explanations as to the meaning of ekayana. Their explanation is so indigenous that it integrates Confucian and Taoist traits. What is that indigenous explanation? Here are a few quotes to help understand:

In The Relation between Chinese Buddhist History and Soteriology, Yoshizu Yoshihide says: “However, Hsuan-tsang had called many of their presuppositions into question, especially the emphasis on the One-vehicle and the universality of buddha-nature.” Here's my guess: the relation between ekayana and buddh
Aug 24, 2016 12:23
Meant to say dissatisfaction rather than satisfaction, but perhaps it fits too.
Aug 24, 2016 12:21
"Were one to complete this process, would that be considered to be enlightenment?"

At the most basic level, the goal of Buddhism is to be free from suffering. This is done with the practice of the Noble Eightfold Path of Ethics, Concentration and Wisdom. Upon the purification of mind and detachment from all delusion, craving, aversion and sense of self, one becomes free from all satisfaction and suffering - attaining Nibbana or Nirvana.

However, Mahayana Buddhism posit further goals, including the supreme omniscient of the Buddha which are superior to the wisdom of Arhats by themselves, a
Aug 18, 2016 05:51
Anyway, original topic is about emptiness, emptiness is basically a 'provisional term' used by Nagarjuna for dependent origination, that is that all things are caused by other chains of causes and conditions and that they are impermanent, hence 'empty'. However emptiness does not imply nihilism as things always have a cause and does not happen without reason. Understanding dependent origination especially with respect to ending suffering is a fundamental focus of Buddhism.
Aug 17, 2016 03:17
Ekayana 'One Vehicle' is from the core Mahayana Lotus Sutra, despite being apparent different vehicles of Sravaka, Pratyekabuddha, or Boddhisattva, ultimately they are all on the same path because of impermanence, yesterday's Arhats will be tomorrow's Boddhisattvas and Buddhas.
 

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Aug 18, 2016 12:43
Ok, let's start simple, meditation is the wrong place to start when we first begin the Buddhist path. The foundation is Ethics, in other words, right speech, right action, right livelihood. Fulfilling the goals of the Five Precepts which boils down to Do No Harm - whether to others or ourselves. Without Ethics our meditation effort will be in vain. In particular the fourth precept no wrong speech - lies, abusive speech, divisive speech and idle chatter is by far the easiest to violate, and the effect on the mind is immediate.
 
Aug 18, 2016 12:29
I think 'suffering' is by far the correct translation. Because this is what Buddhism is about. The Buddha having achieved victory over life and death, pain and suffering. He didn't achieve victory over mere 'dissatisfaction', Buddhist monks wouldn't devote their life to doing that just to tell you to overcome dissatisfaction.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
@Uilium no idea sorry, I am from a Chinese Buddhist background. I just see dissatisfaction described under suffering in Chinese sources.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
And the Chinese translators knew what they were doing. There are texts that analyze the different forms of suffering including the Three Sufferings mentioned above. '不滿足' unsatisfactory is classified and described under '苦' suffering. These doctrines were there long before the translations.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
Most meditation beginners generally start to feel horrible at first in a meditation retreat as a result of practicing mindfulness because we only start to realize the suffering inside us that we covered up with addiction whether alcohol or media. The meditation did not create the suffering, the suffering was actually there all along and only just realized.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
"If breathing was suffering, I would be suffering every single moment of life; my life would be a living hell." Yet the Buddha described birth as suffering. From a Buddhist theological perspective, the act of birth is suffering for the consciousness that is born. Imagine if you were a deva now being rebirth as a human, maybe everything about this body is horribly unpleasant compared to the pleasurable bodies of heaven. But after awhile everyone get used to it, and think breathing and our body is neutral or pleasurable.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
There are also meditators who are able to get into states of meditation where they no longer feel the body or their breath - as seen in the formless Jhanas. Perhaps once they get there they might realized that their breathing is actually relatively 'unpleasant' compared to not feeling anything. And that coming back to the world of the senses would feel painful or uncomfortable to them.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
Look I am pretty sure the reason they are all recorded as dukkha was because they are all pretty much part of the same continuum of unpleasant experiences, whether it is horrible pain or subtle dissatisfaction which are all forms of suffering. And the same vocabulary was likely chosen by the Buddha to emphasize the gravity of the situation. It's too easy for people to take pleasurable activities as 'not suffering' and become attached to it, which is why the fundamental teachings of the dharma emphasized suffering so that the mind becomes willing to detach itself from it.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
"Detachment is Nirvana; attachment is sufffering; conditioned things are not suffering; only attachment to conditioned things is suffering " I am not against this, you are just being pedantic.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
Also, stop voting me down just because you disagree with my views.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
Secondly, suffering as you point out is not a 'bad thing' by itself per se, as you pointed out it is what leads to liberation through detachments. That is why there is a modern Chinese Buddhist saying that 'Mental Affliction is Bodhi' - they are not literally the same thing, but your suffering can be the cause of your liberation. In fact, if you become a monk you will experience many hardships and that suffering will ultimately enable you to find what is necessary to overcome it.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
More translation: 比丘白佛:「無常。世尊!」 「比丘!若無常者,是苦耶?」 比丘白佛:「是苦。世尊!」SA 34 The Chinese Saṃyuktāgama, basically say the same thing, what is impermanent is suffering.
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
@ChrisW I am gonna have a hard time finding the exact 'Zen teaching' that refers to this. But Zen/Chan is basically based on Mahayana Buddhism which is based on the foundational early Buddhist Agama sutras which parallels Theravada Pali canon in meaning. 《佛說法集名數經》卷1:「云何四法印。所謂一切行無常。一切行苦。一切法無我。涅槃寂靜。」
Aug 17, 2016 16:38
@Dhammadhatu First of all there is actually no such distinction between 'unsatisfactory' and 'suffering' in the suttas, the difference is only made in English translations. ""Now, that which is impermanent, is it unsatisfactory or satisfactory?" "Unsatisfactory, O Lord." - SN22.59 “Aniccaṃ, bhante”. “Yaṃ panāniccaṃ dukkhaṃ vā taṃ sukhaṃ vā”ti? “Dukkhaṃ, bhante” I am no expert on Pali, but they clearly use the same word Dukkha and it's grammatical variant dukkham for both suffering and unsatisfactory.