Marcus Müller

As said, staying out of this, because I perceive what you're doing here as ranting. Both in the sense of the help page, as well as the common-sense English interpretation. I wish you absolutely no ill! Have a nice day.

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@terdon I'd like to leave things at this; I used the help page's literal wording for what a rant is, peterh confirmed he'd like to use that wording, and to me, he does come across as attacking anyone not of his opinion. I do think he's big enough a person to not take it as a personal insult when I tell him he's ranting.

@peterh "something should happen" indicates you need to read into why they are here (which I suggested would be valuable questions, which you repeatedly tell me you don't care about), and so you're really just ranting (which is "complaining excessively without caring for reasons for the thing you complain about while portraying your personal opinion as equal to facts") – ending my involvement with this, it won't lead anywhere.

@peterh sorry, the question "who are the loudest voices in the Linux world complaining about this." is not a question that's on-topic here. It's both still a question for an opinion (who's "a loud voice within a community" is nothing but an opinion), and a question for an external reference, and not technical, and actually still a rant and not a valid question.

So that's why this boils down to an opinion-asking question – at best. @peterh I think you have valid questions hidden in there, for example, how to deal with it, or how to reduce it, or what the technical reason for specific entries there are. But the way you wrote this, and as you confirm in the comments, you're actually mostly here to rant and in hopes of finding someone in agreement with you. That's not what this platform is for, I'm afraid!

my /usr/share directory also has more entries than it had 1999; so what? It's just that: an interface into the things my operating system offers me, not a user interface that needs to be useful without filtering (and you don't seem to make use of any of the filtering that mount could do for you, anyways)

@peterh you're wrong about "none of us finding it fine". Your mount table is just an archaic operating system API that is getting richer use than it did 20 years ago. OK. I don't care. If you insist on looking at the output of mount as an effective means of administration, that is a fully acceptable choice of yours, but it shouldn't hold back people doing good things with the mount system call. As cas alluded to, these things actually do serve a purpose, in isolation, ease of API elsewhere, and for security. I don't mind at all that my mount output has 39 lines.

@horsey_guy a non-working system would be the implication of masking the mounts the system needs.

There doesn't seem to be an objectively answerable question in here: While the title at least asks a question (but then that's just asking for opinions, which is explicitly off-topic here), the rest is basically a rant, and these things are what we ask you to not post here: "your question is just a rant in disguise: “______ sucks, am I right?”"

@BerndElkemann since you're the only one able to produce this, and a lot of us are using FUSE+sshfs, I wouldn't be so sure. What's "atypical" about your setup is a) the GhostBSD client, but unless that is instructed to change files (and again, you haven't told us whether the same problem happens without -r and -p, so I'm starting to vote to close this question as missing informaiton, because I'm tired of asking for the same information again and again) it being the culprit would be surprising; b) the ecryptfs server directory. And ecryptfs has a history of such problems, so there's my guess.

To confirm: Is your /home/a/server-dir nested under the /home/a/.Private directory?

no, I will not remove it – it's crucial for anyone needing to understand the question. In fact, you're not using encryptfs, but ecrypts, and I would have guessed you'd be using EncFS. Do you start to understand why it's kind of important to give the info you're asked for?

@BerndElkemann I think you have a typo in the command where you tell us the filesystem type, can you please really add the output of df -T pertaining to your home directory to your question, thanks?

… Adding that to your question for you, stand by.

Oh and you could further help us reproduce if you told us exactly how you're doing the sshfs mount – the exact command line (or however you do it) would help. Generally, it doesn't feel great that one has to say "please enable us to reproduce what you do", and then get, salami-slice-wise half the information asked for.

@BerndElkemann so, could you 1. add info on the filesystem on the server (as gathered by df -T and 2. check whether the same happens when cp'ing a single file, without the -p and without the -r ?

@BerndElkemann just to explain why it's been super helpful that you added this info: 1. Nobody would have guessed your client is not the Linux FUSE, but the FreeBSD FUSE sshfs :) And: 2. I've tried my cp without -r and without -p, which my guess are responsible for the BSD client trying to do something that causes the Linux server to modify file metadata (still mysterious!). However, the file system used by your server is still important here – as Kusalananda already asked.

don't know what you mean with that; probably it does – that's just a hostname to sshfs. But it's moot. Please add enough to reproduce what you mean with "download" to your question. I have enough servers to reproduce whatever you tell us that are not localhost, but I have nothing to reproduce.

no, I explicitly did it on the server side file. Either way, please really add what you're doing exactly to your question: whether I do something wrong or not, I'd need to reproduce exactly what you're doing, not do something else :)

I cannot at all reproduce that behaviour; mounting a directory (sshfs localhost:/home/marcus/export/ mnt/) via sshfs, then copying cp mnt/somefile /tmp/somefile leaves modification time untouched (according to ls -lh /home/marcus/export/somefile). So, my guess is that it might be an effect of the tool you use to "download" the files – can you add a detailed rundown of what you do to download something?

I really have no idea how to interpret the letters at the end of your comment; please make a sketch and add it to your question. Have you measured the impedance, looking from the driven element "into" the respective filter at the two frequencies of interest, while leaving the rest of the system attached? How large is it?

I must admit I'm not having a clear mental picture of your antenna. I'm assuming the following: Two different driven elements, one for each band, and you make sure that only one is driven through filtering / frequency-selective mixing that poses high impedance on both the feed side and the dipole side for the respective "wrong" bands. Is that correct?

this is unfair to you!

If you're on a phone, let's chat somewhen else

what I can get behind is finding a canonical q&a that we tell people to look at when they ask "I'm having trouble installing Steam, Wine, a LAMP stack, a microcontroller development chain, this fancy background-changing gnome applet,…"

but I don't think the answer "you're inviting innumerable complications by abusing Kali for something it really isn't, namely an appropriate platform for your software" is bad per se.

I mean, honestly, I'm taking defending this answer-that-could-have-been-a-comment too far

Hm, yeah, but I could just cite the NTFS or nvidia question and write an answer about how old kernels don't have new drivers and it could be a very proper answer.

(and "why won't my Red Hat Linux 4 read my NTFS NVMe?" and "why does my old enterprise Linux not allow me to play games in high definition with my brand-new GPU?" could have identical, helpful answers, even if the questions sound very different)

@Kusalananda hm, I mean, I do comment what's written in this answer regularly, because I do agree it's not a great answer, but think it's a useful remark to give. But is the rule "no two answers to different questions can be identical" sensible? It's not logical – both "what's 3×4?" and "according to the bible, how many disciples of Jesus where there?" have the same answer, though they are pretty different questions.

@Kusalananda I don't think this answer actually explains what's wrong, but it is Kali that makes doing this –for all practical means– infeasible. And the explanation "you're trying to do something that assumes a general purpose OS but are trying to do it on Kali, which is neither that nor aimed at your current experience level" is… helpful I'd say? Strangely enough "don't use Kali if you can't put into words that you yourself can verify why you'd want Kali" is sound advice.

@Kusalananda I think it is. This would be a surmountable issue on another distro (even if I'd advise against including dead software in your auth flow, in the sense of IT security) – the recommendation to switch distro is genuine and not a emotional response, I'd say.

@terdon see my answer. Howdy depends on Python2 + Python 2 PAM + Python 2 opencv2 + a bunch of other things.

@Kusalananda matter of fact, it kind of is, until you start packaging half of the dead Python2 world. That's not a Kali-specific issue, though. But the combination of newbie user + expert distro + rolling release bleeding edge distro + long-dead python release makes this so non-sensible to tackle, I'd in all honesty call it "unsolvable, unless you can fix Howdy by porting it to Python 3, which would be the easiest way to success here"

I do get that, even without a form, but also in Russian, English, French and Arabic. Often just to elicit a "Wat?" response, I guess

probably in an automated way to see whether any contents they type in appears on the page that they get after submission

yeah just script kiddies probing your form

I run my own mailserver(s), and my email address is all across the interwebs due to being used in git commits, and on mailing lists.

I really need to look for that silver lining, but if there is one, it's "if you're looking for someone to do absolutely despicable work, the amount of money they're paying is obviously not enough to give them even somewhat appropriate work".

yeah, this is a very depressing mixture of someone with absolutely no care of the outcome does something with absolutely no care for neither the victims (fraud victims) nor the innocent bystanders getting caught in the fallout (this community), clearly for someone else who pays them to do that, and cares even less.

correction: just random old questions

they think they're getting smarter, by now copying old, high-rep questions.

ah noees

@jesse_b unix.stackexchange.com/questions/796866/… your chance to shine

@jesse_b the hunt is back on

I thought he was a very high-rep user

wat

huh, I just had approve an edit by @Glorfindel