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Apr 21, 2019 17:01
Happy Easter, He is risen!
Apr 20, 2019 00:46
@Nathaniel I definitely will be making a few posts here again from time to time.
Apr 19, 2019 20:51
@Nathaniel Yes, it has been a few years since I was active. Surprised to see many of the same people are still the most active users.
Apr 19, 2019 19:48
@Nathaniel When you have a minute, can you unfreeze the new answers to old questions room? Thanks!
Jan 13, 2016 21:53
@Nathaniel I'm not sure how useful the distinction is, but I went ahead and submit tag usage instructions for both since they are around and have been typically been used a bit differently.
Jan 8, 2016 19:13
@LeeWoofenden Congrats on making it to 3k!
Jan 4, 2016 16:54
@Mr.Bultitude LOL... I suppose the idea is that one wouldn't dare betray a promise made to the prince, whereas as ordinary promise they might
Jan 2, 2016 02:08
@curiousdannii I would guess they are all from the same person, or at most two people, despite the number of (new) accounts nominally involved.
Jan 1, 2016 04:37
@curiousdannii I always have trouble re-finding those things, thanks. And yes, @Nathaniel was #1.
Jan 1, 2016 04:33
Who was #1 in rep during 2015? Was that you?
Jan 1, 2016 04:28
@Nathaniel I just remembered there is a badge for 500 flags, which only 6 people have... Confirmed #2 in flags behind @curiousdannii
Jan 1, 2016 04:25
Figured it might :)
Jan 1, 2016 04:24
I need to come up with something clever to say to get the Auld Lang Syne badge. :)
Jan 1, 2016 04:22
@Nathaniel :)
Jan 1, 2016 04:15
Are flags query-able, or if that information private?
 

 New Answers to Old Questions

Promote the high-quality answers given to old questions, and r...
Apr 19, 2019 20:49
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A: Does Genesis 1:2 refer to the Spirit or a wind?

ThaddeusBI have recently been inspired to reexamine this passage and have changed my thoughts a bit. I am leaving, rather than editing, my original answer since it has been around for several years. A video version of this answer with some additional information can be found on my YouTube channel. Th...

Jan 28, 2016 04:30
@MattGutting Looks good +1 from me
Jan 27, 2016 15:34
Well argued alternate answer by Joshua
Jan 27, 2016 15:33
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A: Did Samuel act as a priest on top of being a prophet

Joshua BigbeePay close attention to the words and what they are referring to here: 1 Samuel 1:1 There was a certain man of Ramathaim-zophim of the hill country of Ephraim whose name was Elkanah the son of Jeroham, son of Elihu, son of Tohu, son of Zuph, an Ephrathite. Samuel, and even his father, wer...

Jan 26, 2016 23:02
Brief, but on point and referenced.
Jan 26, 2016 23:01
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A: What happens if the Cardinals who voted against the Pope get stuck with a Pope they don't like?

Ken GrahamLife goes on as usual for all the cardinal of the Church after the election of a new Pope. They must obey the new Sovereign Pontiff in filial joy and reverence. Nor do any of the cardinals have to worry about any chance of a reprisal if some had indeed voted for another candidate. In the Apostoli...

Jan 24, 2016 17:58
A more thorough (albeit not perfect) answer by a new user
Jan 24, 2016 17:57
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A: Protestant arguments for perpetual virginity of Mary

Stephen W. HoughtonOne of the points of theology that has traditionally separated some Protestants from our Roman and Eastern brothers and sisters is the question of the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Mary. The argument is usually cast as a typical reformed – catholic debate with the issue of biblical authority...

Jan 14, 2016 01:00
I take a different angle than most of the previous answers and go much more in depth than previous answers. (The accepted answer is also excellent.)
Jan 14, 2016 00:59
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A: What does "two becoming one flesh" refer to?

ThaddeusBIn Hebrew, Genesis 2:24 reads: עַל־כֵּן֙ יַֽעֲזָב־אִ֔ישׁ אֶת־אָבִ֖יו וְאֶת־אִמֹּ֑ו וְדָבַ֣ק בְּאִשְׁתֹּ֔ו וְהָי֖וּ לְבָשָׂ֥ר אֶחָֽד The fully understand what the verse means, it is helpful to look at a few key words more closely. וְדָבַ֣ק Comparing several translations, there is a wide va...

Jan 9, 2016 19:30
Solid answer to an old question at BH that previously did not have any upvoted answers
Jan 9, 2016 19:30
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A: Who's who in Hosea 12:12-13, and what is the typology?

Joshua BigbeeThe Narrow Context The ESV translation highlights the language a bit better here I feel: Jacob fled to the land of Aram; there Israel served for a wife, and for a wife he guarded sheep. By a prophet the LORD brought Israel up from Egypt, and by a prophet he was guarded. In t...

 
Jan 18, 2016 03:48
@DickHarfield Thank you for the change. I have removed my comments. You may wish to do likewise, perhaps leaving only the link to this discussion.
Jan 16, 2016 06:25
@DickHarfield Yes, I think we are. Have a good evening.
Jan 16, 2016 06:21
Just FYI, I read just about every answer posted on this site, including yours. I have only felt the need to object to a small fraction of your answers and have upvoted more than I've complained about. (To be clear, I do disagree with a large percentage, but that is not the same as feeling they need commented on/corrected or downvoted.)
Jan 16, 2016 06:15
@DickHarfield I certainly agree with that regardless of whether you change your answer or not.
Jan 16, 2016 06:14
@DickHarfield Dropping the By the beginning of the current century, the consensus of scholars was very much that Colossians is pseudepigraphical.sentence would suffice.
Jan 16, 2016 06:12
It is certainly true that most scholars consider Colossians non-certain. Your statement implies, however, that most consider the matter settled against Pauline authorship. I don't think Barclay means to state that.
Jan 16, 2016 06:08
I don't think Barclay is equating "deutero-Pauline" with "not Pauline," but rather "possibly not Pauline"
Jan 16, 2016 06:07
If you want to rephrase to say DeMaris says the majority has risen since then, that is fine as well. But your current statement to me implies a 90/10 situation, similar to say the Pastorals.
Jan 16, 2016 06:06
60% is probably a reasonable estimate for today as well - I don't really think there has been significant movement
Jan 16, 2016 06:05
I object to the specific language that the consensus is "very much that Colossians is pseudepigraphical."
Jan 16, 2016 06:03
Sorry, it is not easy to express oneself properly in non-verbal communication. I will try to chose my words more carefully in the future.
Jan 16, 2016 06:00
(I meant "inaccurate" not "intentional deceit")
Jan 16, 2016 05:59
OK, let me apologize and correct "falsely" to "mistakenly"
Jan 16, 2016 05:58
If you want to say it is not Pauline, that is fine. You can do that without overstating the level of agreement on the point. I have no problem with you saying he most likely did not write it. I have a problem with you implying it is a settled point in scholarship
Jan 16, 2016 05:56
Exactly, so why try to (falsely) imply there is overwhleming consensus on a matter than does not impact your answer?
Jan 16, 2016 05:54
I will make this simple - I think you can simply say the letter is disputed by many scholars without trying to nail it down further without changing the meat of your answer. That would remove my objection.
Jan 16, 2016 05:51
Barclay is of course correct that truth is not decided by majority vote, so it that respect the number of scholars who hold a given view is not actually meaningful. However, this is not an argument about the truth of who wrote Colossians. If you are going to claim the majority is "very much" one way, then it better actually be that way. It isn't. You have misrepresented consensus by implying that it is a strong majority situation - the only way one could actually come up with a strong majority in this case is by dismissing opinions they disagree with (which no doubt some on both sides do).
Jan 16, 2016 05:51
Again, unless you think Barclay believes the only two possibilities are "near certain Pauline" or "near certain non-Pauline", then he is not saying that nearly all scholars think it is non-Pauline. Even if he was, he would be wrong. The Oxford Annotated Bible, for example, which accurately reflects the state of consensus on other letters (e.g. pastorals: "most scholars today regard them as pseudographical"), says opinion is split....
Jan 16, 2016 05:51
I don't think your assessment that "the consensus of scholars was very much that Colossians is pseudepigraphical" is accurate. Your own source only intends to say it is disputed - not that there is a consensus against authenticity. He goes on to say the case against is "not nearly as strong as [other disputed letters]" and "not decisive" and that "strong arguments can be mounted for Pauline authorship." A fair assessment of the consensus would be that it is an open question, not that it has been decided to be most likely inauthentic.
 
Jan 9, 2016 03:15
@ScottS Thanks for your answer. Very helpful/well-reasoned. (I wanted to comment because it took me 4+ days before I had a chance to read it.)
Jan 1, 2016 16:25
@Susan Yah, that's what I meant - overstating the conclusion
Jan 1, 2016 05:29
@Susan Do you mean because of the "Everyone should be convinced by argument" nature of the statement?
Jan 1, 2016 04:24
@PaulVargas Happy New Year!