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Trust is a valuable thing

I think you're sad that the world is too complicated for you to know everything and that you have to trust other people about things which you don't know about

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Do you have the confidence to stand behind your predictions?

How much do you want to bet?

This is boring. I will bet you an enormous amount of money that global warming is true. How much do you want to bet?

The world isn't perfect like maths

So what you really can't deal with is uncertainty

Are you a statistician?

Who should we trust?

I think they're right

This is entirely a question of belief and trust

Deal with it

Others don't believe

You believe

Oh ffs scientists understand statistics perfectly well. You don't understand trust

It's a question of trust. Do you trust other people to make judgements on your behalf if they know more about the subject in question?

Whether you choose to ignore the evidence is up to you

At least in climate science

They can

So basically you don't trust anything you can't prove yourself?

They know more about the subject than you. You should trust them on it

Yes it does

Thats the whole point of division of labour.

Experts also have a life. They don't have infinite time to explain everything to everyone else

Also why are you more qualified than people who study these things?

It has nothing to do with ice cores. It was just another example

Just tell me why you are more qualified to judge climate science than people who study it

So what does make you more qualified? I'm interested to know

What makes you more qualified to judge than someone who has spent their life studying it?

Maybe you should study before you pass judgement?

Seems a bit inconsistent no?

So biostratigraphy is fine if it tells you where oil is but otherwise it's complete rubbish?

No it's an appeal to utility. Utility is generally a good thing

Well sadly most people who have studied it don't agree. And it keeps telling us where the oil is so maybe it might be useful

Biostratigraphy on it's own is relative not absolute

We can't directly. Not without correlating it against other age measurements.

What do you mean you don't believe the fossil record? It exists. What is there to believe?

They do give good evidence because they correlate well with other records

I can explain them to you briefly if you wish

I'm saying that in order to appreciate something you have to understand it. Most people have an understanding of temperature records whereas most people do not have an understanding of ice core isotopic temperature proxies.

No

The average person doesn't understand how ice core isotope records work and shouldn't really be expected to

Because it's by far the least technical data source

At least on it's own

Nobody claims it is

Isotopic analyses of these things form a big part of the record

Ice cores, speleothems, I think things like tree rings and pollen have been used? Probably things like corals and other biological remains as well. Climate isn't my field but I'm familiar with some of what is done