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Gandalf and the Palantir
scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/89897/…
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:34
you cannot logic
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:34
yes, true
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:34
he didn't say 'my mind could not concieve of any way that this could possibly have been a palantir'
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:33
he didnt know
for sure
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:33
and he was saved by pippin
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:33
but in this case, it would have turned out wrong
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:32
which is the smart thing to do
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:32
he knew that it was probably one, but wasnt going to say for sure until it was tested
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:32
why do you need to have things be repeated so often?
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:31
he knew it was dangerous
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:31
his studying wouldnt have been safe, and so its a good thing that pippin did what he did
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:31
no one knew that could be done
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:30
yes, because no one had ever used one to read minds before
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:30
he isnt any hastier than an ent
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:30
that's what he was saying when he said he was going to prod it for its use
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:29
he was
going to
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:29
thats the only difference; that someone else messed with it in an unsafe way
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:28
but pippin did it for him in the palantir's case
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:28
and took his time, studying, before coming to a conclusion in both cases
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:28
he knew what it probably was in both cases
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:28
he wasnt clueless in either case
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:28
it isnt different
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:27
but he knew what it most likely was
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:27
he went to study, to be sure
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:27
he didn't declare, 'This must be the one ring!'
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:27
look, when he saw an unmarked gold ring that makes you live longer, incredibly greedy, and lets you become invisible
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:26
but he didn't declare certainty until he had it
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:26
he had an inking, and wasnt clueless
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:26
he spends a lot of time hiding what he knows
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:26
gandalf doesn;t speak his mind often
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:25
but he thought it was probably a palantir
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:25
until then, it could be just about any other glass orb magical item
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:25
he didn't have all the information until he saw it used
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:24
you'd still say it that way
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:24
but you have backups
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:24
and that will be your first attempt
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:24
but if you think you know what something is
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:24
because he
didnt
know for
certain
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:23
so?
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:23
he went to go study for about a decade, leaving the ring with frodo, knowing what it probably was
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:23
he considers things over long periods of time, to be safe, just like with the ring
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:22
he doesnt jump to conclusions
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:22
but again
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:22
along with all the other facts you stated
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:22
he considered using it, which implies that he had an idea of what it might be
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:22
how do you
know
he didn't?
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:21
he wouldn't say that unless he was sure, and even then might not say anything
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:21
your problem is that he didn't say 'Eureka! this is undoubtedly one of the eight mystical orbs!'
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:21
accidents are bad
Magus
May 15, 2015 20:20
that's called not getting yourself accidentally controlled by the dark lord