Sohum

I will read up on what's been happening!

oh cool, d.p.io is still up

I could make Very Valid Excuses, but still, wasn't fair of me

and I just up and disappeared on you all

it's been a while

sorry, you guys

bleh!

makes perfect sense

nod nod

work of doom is just about to finish

<_<

>_>

not technically here

...if Thursday's staff turns out to piss off dragons, I will be very ... something

@BESW ah, good :P

and how often are they grumpy or hungry

she offers cookies!

@Cat Exhibit A :P

because not everyone's reading the chat all the time :P

well, you also have a bit more leeway here

@BraddSzonye It's an attitude thing. "Spoilers" only matter when there is something to be spoiled; i.e., the GM/player split is still there and the players figure their role is to wander about GMland

@BraddSzonye I think I might mostly agree there, at least scoped to social conflict... but yea, you made some huge generalised statements that raised my hackles. I do apologise.

@BESW I very much encourage you to check out most if not all of the games I've mentioned in this discussion :P

but yes

It's "just" simulating something different

Hmmm.

If anyone wanted to use the room to play FATE, I'd happily stop or move the discussion elsewhere. But until then, what's the harm of using an otherwise empty chatroom?

@BraddSzonye rpg.net/reviews/archive/13/13125.phtml Shock.

@Problematic Sorry, I'm just twitchy about people who insist that their standards for discussion are the only ones which apply. If that wasn't your intent, then I apologise.

@Problematic if it doesn't interest you, feel free to not participate?

that's what I mean by working against the system

You certainly can't tell the stories that Shock tells

I mean, it's going to be pretty hard to tell a story in DnD that's not fundamentally Heroic. You can't tell the story of Dog Eat Dog in DnD very well. You can't tell the story of Dogs in the Vineyard in DnD very well. You can't tell the story of Don't Rest Your Head, or Monsterhearts, or even Fiasco very well in DnD.

@BESW yea, that.

if you don't, it's because they worked against the game system in one of their sessions.

it doesn't help that you added statements like "while you might prefer one flavor over another, there's nothing particularly awesome or special about one system over another"

I can also have a great time swimming. does that mean there are no important differences between swimming and Monopoly?

yea, um.

...

The Fate Economy is extremely rule-efficient, in this regard, in that it changes the entire shape of gameplay with just a few simple rules about invoking and compelling

but it's how much the rules affect play that's important.

(even by quantity of rules - Burning Wheel's artha system is majestic and complicated and insane, and Mythender's one of the strictest game systems I've ever come across.)

I think that's fairly standard.

I'm using "a light touch" synonymously with "the choice of game system affects the stories told in it very little".

quantity of rules does not determine how light the touch is.

@BraddSzonye yea, totally, utterly disagreed.

it might seem light in comparison to the combat rules of DnD4

@BraddSzonye I'll disagree with that, to the extent that no modern game goes light in any meaningful sense on storytelling rules

@BESW the exact quote is "smart people know that the system doesn't really matter all that much anyway."

@BraddSzonye when you say that system is irrelevant, that is what you're saying.