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1:00 PM
@Adnan You know you are a repwhore at heart. :P
 
@TerryChia I'm still way behind you
 
But you should watch it, you are very close to getting mauled by The Bear on the 1st of June.
 
@TerryChia If I get a rep-train, then probably yes.
 
@Tinned_Tuna oh, I didnt realize this was as a paid gig. It was a paid gig, right? Right?
 
nope, just noticed a flaw this morning and told them.
I have worked for the company in the past, and informed them of security problems; but my remit has never officially been security-related. Just plain development
 
1:03 PM
Most security problems are a result of developers.
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@Tinned_Tuna aaaaand nooooow.....? ;-)
@ScottPack Most problems are a result of developers.
 
@ScottPack Haaaaaaave you met Jenny?
 
@AviD I'm not paid by them any more :-p
 
But to be fair, that's only because most systems are built by programmers. Except for the ones built by monkeys.
 
@Adnan Yes. She writes COBOL.
 
1:04 PM
@Adnan Strictly speaking, the problems didn't originate from her.
 
@Tinned_Tuna s/any more/yet/
 
@AviD I'm confused. The's a difference?
 
hehehe
 
@ScottPack Not all monkeys are programmers while all programmers are monkeys.
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@AviD haha, but I have a nice job where I am -- they're offering to pay for a masters! at a reasonable university!
 
1:05 PM
@TerryChia True enough.
 
@Tinned_Tuna that's a pretty decent remit.
 
@this.josh Hey hey!
 
I have been tempted by working at and interviewed for penn testing jobs, but only while my current employer was dragging their heels on getting me a proper contract.
but when I was offered a contract at my current job, it was basically "Have significantly more money, you don't have to move cities, oh and you wanted to do a Masters, right? We'll pay."
 
ah, didnt mean necesarily as a job, but more in the direction of a bug bounty...
 
Ah, they're not really the kind of company that's cool enough to run a bug bounty :-(
 
1:27 PM
does anyone here NOT think that guy (the one with the socks/webproxy, ids, ipsec, etc) is trying to either answer a test or get his homework done?
 
@AviD I think a test.
 
@Adnan then why is anyone answering him, for gawdsake??
as @RoryAlsop said, they really are general reference.
 
Anybody talked to Thomas personally to know why he isn't coming to The DMZ lately?
 
@thomaspornin re your answer on my HSM q - I don't find it satisfying. FTR, some of the points I threw in there, were kinda red herrings, but I feel like even I could write a more complete (if not as rich in information) answer.
@Adnan hang on, I'll handle that...
@Thomas sure there is a lot of good info there, but a lot of it is more like an intro to what an HSM is good for, and what it requires.
I am sure it does not cover all the key features that are worth shortlisting for. Perhaps you can add some more?
 
I decided to rep-whore a bit. I wrote that CSRF comment as an answer.
 
1:35 PM
you're doing a crap job of it. You didnt paste the link a handful of times.
 
@AviD I'm becoming a crappy rep-whore :(
@copy I really like your avatar
 
@Adnan you should @copy it.
 
@AviD and I'd change my name to paste
 
and we would mangle it to pasta.
 
Damn! This TrueCrypt full-disk encryption takes ages
 
1:38 PM
just cuz.
 
@Adnan Thanks, and I like your reputation. Wanna swap?
 
@copy Well, you have no leverage. I can acquire your avatar by force, but you cannot do the same to my rep. So I have no interest in swapping.
 
You security people are too smart :-(
 
@copy and mean.
Except @Terry, he's so nice.
 
Hang on - do we allow flirting in this room?
Oh yes - yes. Do. Carry on.
 
1:48 PM
@RoryAlsop Jealous?
 
Heh. Nawwww. The Tekhedz (Metaltech groupies) give me all the flirting I am allowed
 
Anything I'm missing here?
First of all thanks for the fast answer. I understand what you said, I still got one question tho: If I am the server, and I got no new revoked cert to add, why do i renew it? I basically keep it the same. Thanks again — AscaL 1 min ago
 
@RoryAlsop it seems to me, that if girls are allowed to flirt with girls, then you should be allowed to flirt with guys.
Not that I think you should, mind, just that you should be allowed to.
 
@AviD Girls flirt with girls? Where?!
 
@Adnan well, that wouldnt count as cheating.
well, unless she's already in a same-sex relationship.
@Adnan I think you're not realizing how much the OP is missing. My first guess would be not realizing the importance of timestamp.
 
1:54 PM
@AviD Is he talking about publishing the CRL?
 
@Adnan probably. Or consuming it.
 
@AviD - flirting is actually an essential part of my travel/hotel free upgrade social engineering arsenal...
 
@RoryAlsop Ditto!
 
It works well :-)
 
@RoryAlsop hahaha, a girl in every port, eh?
 
1:57 PM
I've had so many favors and so much special treatment as a result of flirting with older ladies.
 
@Adnan well sure, you're a pretty boy.
creepiness++;
 
@AviD Exactly.
Anybody worked with FoxyProxy before?
How can I get it to proxy only non-HTTPS traffic?
(in the pattern mode)
Oh okay, I tried something and it worked
I just added a blacklist entry https://*, and a whitelist entry http://*
 
@Adnan hi @d34cff
 
okay, that's.... @Adnan considering the timing, I think the ++ was not enough...
 
2:12 PM
@AviD hi friend i need one suggestion
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Q: Why are Certificate Revocation List periodically renewed?

AscaLWhile studying a security course I have been asked this very question: Why are CRL periodically renewed, even if there are no new revoked certificates to add to the list? Honestly I can't find the answer, if any of you could be so kind to shed some light on it, I would be very grateful.

 
Hahahahahahahahahaha
 
mellon
 
Mellon
 
am I being trolled??
 
@Lonelybaby omg wut.
 
2:13 PM
@TerryChia hi
i answered it for first time
it must be clear and need some guideliness
 
@TerryChia ah, its the same one, change of name.
 
@AviD ahhh. i thought it was a retarded coincidence.
 
Yaaaay! Mellon!!
 
@Adnan hello mr.practical
how r u
 
And let the flirting begin...
 
2:15 PM
@Lonelybaby I'm excellent. How about you?
@Lonelybaby I see you've grown younger and became lonely.
 
@RoryAlsop @Adnan I think the expression should be: "creepiness *= creepiness;"
 
@Adnan That can pass for a weird pickup line actually.
 
@TerryChia hahah, are we negging?
 
@Adnan yup little grownup but it will take years to grow like u
 
 
2:17 PM
@Lonelybaby In some areas, it's not physiologically possible to grow like me.
 
@Adnan yup agreed
atleast at pic :)
 
@TerryChia How is that for a pickup line?
 
@Adnan Dammit, you are gonna fill the star wall at this rate..
@AviD Stick that in a never ending loop.
 
@Adnan ymean, like in Africa?
 
@AviD Damn it! You had to ruin it!
 
2:19 PM
lol
 
Huh! Here's something interesting.
 
brb
 
type @|SOME_LETTER
 
huh!
 
@AviD Some OR injection?
Nah, I don't think so
 
2:22 PM
@|xI dont get it though, it doesnt filter...?
 
This is hilarious: cracked.com/…
 
2:45 PM
@TerryChia That's pretty awesome. As I understand it though, the Lamborghini story is urban legend.
 
@TerryChia We've still got your bucket, asshole!
 
He did indeed have a clutch problem and found out that they were using the same clutches as he was using on his tractors, but it wasn't a complaint about them and an insult that led him to start his company, but the realization of how high their markup on the replacement was compared to what he could charge for the identical part for a tractor. He saw a great big profit margin, and that was the driving factor. It was business, not personal. :-)
 
3:06 PM
@TerryChia damn you @TerryChia, I dont have time to spend all day on Cracked.com!
 
@AviD I think this is like the 5th time you told me that.
;)
 
yeah, I guess.... I tend to get sucked in to Cracked way too easily. for every article I read, I open 3 more...
 
@AviD heh. i solve that problem by reading it daily.
 
@TerryChia I used to do that. Didnt help.
 
boobies!
 
3:20 PM
Hey @Lucas :-)
 
@RoryAlsop ohai
 
I was just amused by your exclamation
Tell you what - I do like seeing the community closed questions. They are pretty quick and don't require a mod to come in all heavy handed.
For me it is a definite sign of a successful site
 
@RoryAlsop Someone earning the Generalist badge is another good sign as well
 
Yeah, true
 
3:28 PM
What would be the recommended procedure for SSL control on a firewall for Untrusted CA's? Should you add their Root certificates and import them into the firewall or should you just whitelist the individual website that use it?
 
Some of the things that can be easily searched belong in hopes of better answers posted as reference, no?
 
@RoryAlsop It's been happening a lot more lately. More active 3k+ rep users ftw!
 
@Jeff - you don't think that is too general ref? Most of that user's questions just show no effort.
 
@RoryAlsop Agreed, but general ref questions can have some of the best depth answers.
... "source routing is bad because you hackers" could have some diagraming and examples that you don't otherwise find
 
Well, the answer there is accurate, but it is just a copypasta from iis.net
 
3:32 PM
For example, 1st search result: "Because of security concerns, packets marked LSRR are frequently blocked on the Internet"... well, what security concerns?
 
@TerryChia And soon you'll be able to protect questions by yourself.
 
@Jefff - I wouldn't be upset if you reopened it,but I don't personally think it is that good a question.
 
@Adnan That would be fun! 2 more months at least to reach that privilege, assuming I answer at the same rate I do this month.
Will probably take longer though, I'm getting pretty busy now and I'm starting my internship in July.
 
@TerryChia What the what?! Where? What will you be doing? Damn! That's a good news!
 
@Adnan Details aren't confirmed yet but probably at RedHat. It's part of my diploma. Sadly I don't think it would be security related. :(
I think I'll go get an internship at Symantec after I graduate and before I enlist in the army.
 
3:38 PM
@TerryChia Sweet!
Our little Terry is becoming a man.
 
lol I just noted that one of my former lecturers is on Network-engineering.SE:
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A: When to choose fiber instead of twisted pair (copper)

GerbenI have the feeling copper is a bit more robust then fiber. In a datacenter this is not an issue because the cables stay where they are once the links are up. However, in harsher conditions (temporary setups in open air, equipment hauled around the country and networks rebuilt often, ...) sturdin...

 
@LucasKauffman He seems to have a sense of humor as well
You should introduce him to the DMZ
 
yea :p
@Adnan he was actually the guy that inspired me to go into security
 
4:00 PM
Probably a meganerd.
 
@LucasKauffman I was inspired to go into security by the movie Hackers. I consider it a very good source for real-life IT security training.
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@Adnan Especially since that movie was referenced in our last CTF.
Right @D3C4FF? :P
You guys and your inspirations. I have no idea why I got into security, besides thinking that it's really cool as a kid.
 
@TerryChia Oh come on! Something must've inspired/pushed you to get into security.
 
@Adnan Well, not that I can remember... Maybe it's just the whole idea of being a "hacker" that appealed to me when i was younger.
 
@TerryChia It must be the awesome chicks you encounter in security
 
4:09 PM
@LucasKauffman Are you talking about yourself?
 
obviously.
this song always makes me happy
 
Jokes aside, I was inspired to get into security by my dad's friend. He was a brilliant locksmith, the best in the district. One time I asked him "If you can open the door without a key, can't the bad guys do the same?" he answered "That's not the point of having a lock on your door. You'll never make it impossible for the bad guy to get in, you just make it as difficult as possible".
and ever since, I was fascinated by that concept.
IMO, the core concept of security.
 
@Adnan You should introduce that friend to that Sulla dude.
 
@TerryChia He died 2 years ago.
 
@Adnan Oh, sorry.. :(
 
4:13 PM
@TerryChia Naah, it's alright. Everyone we know will die, everyone we love will die, everything we love will be taken a way. Until we remain there alone, at the moment we, ourselves, are taken and forgotten.
 
@Adnan except RoryA
 
@Adnan I'm ashamed to admit this, but I really like something @AviD said.
> Security at the expense of usability, comes at the expense of security. - Avi Douglen
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- Avi Douglen
So we make it more authentic
 
@Adnan hehe. done.
 
Now we can make a black&white picture of him and overlay the text
 
4:16 PM
@Adnan We'll need @TildalWave for that. He's our logo guy after all!
 
@LucasKauffman I never thought I'd say this, but I actually like this one.
 
aaaand the MAC address question has reptrained.
 
@LucasKauffman I think the Einstein image would have been better. :P
 
4:24 PM
@LucasKauffman Now THAT I can star.
 
4:37 PM
Step aside, noobs.
user image
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@Adnan Caps your damn font. It's a meme for gods sake! ;)
 
@TerryChia I don't understand the Internet :(
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5:10 PM
I hate it when I need to use javascript for functionality :(
should we add a boobs tag to the chatroom?
 
Ugh. It's too hot.
 
5:56 PM
@ScottPack first world problems
 
@RoryAlsop yeah, I've been loving that.
@TerryChia awww, I'm flattered.
 
@LucasKauffman yeah
 
@LucasKauffman it already has
 
@TerryChia sup? oh for memes? you're on your own there, no point in complicating for those IMO
@Adnan tho this is scary :)
 
@TildalWave @Adnan who is that supposed to be?
 
6:03 PM
@AviD I thought it's you with Einstein as overlay?
 
@TildalWave ZOMGGGG I didn't notice that until you said it.
now dont I feel the doofus.
 
@AviD your eyes are tired man, go observe some green stuff growing or something ;)
 
that is... that is absolutely... something. Fantastic work @Adnan. And scary sh*t.
@TildalWave it's because of the things I've seen....
@Adnan where the heck did you get that pic from?
 
@AviD seems like the one from linkedin but with lowered upper lip so you smile less ... prolly so the mustache fits?
 
@TildalWave don't think so, besides the face flip, and the angle wrong, just doesnt look the same. 'Course I could be fooled by the different angles and such...
Or maybe I was just confused because I have hair.
heeeey! That doesnt seem right...
 
6:16 PM
with hair around, mustache cut till the flattened upper lip, and it looks like was done in PS Elements...
or elementary PS skills :))
@Adnan just teasing :P
 
yeah, I guess its his source... angles still look wrong, chin is raised, etc...
@TildalWave well the upper lip is einsteins, since thats his mustache...
 
@AviD that's details... it's also converted to B&W with some filter, looks like what PS calls Urban IIRC
 
@TildalWave its the details that throw it. But I guess LI makes the most sense.
 
@AviD blimey I'd probably create it again same as @Adnan did faster than explain LOL :P
 
@TildalWave How many other chins are you hiding in there?
 
6:19 PM
hmm, dont need that pic of me staring at everybody... Certain guests might get the wrong idea. Mellon.
@ScottPack oh buuurnnn!
I do appreciate a good burn.
 
@ScottPack man that's @AviD ya'know?
 
but no, no double chins for me, its a combination of stance, angle, and beard.
@TildalWave NO IT AIN'T!
 
@TildalWave I know.
 
glad I dont have any pics on facebook...
 
hu-huh
"beard"
 
6:22 PM
@AviD we can probably change that now that @JeffFerland's the man there :P
 
@TildalWave nooo, no thanks. Don't have it for a reason.
btw, ftfy. Removed my ugly mug from the transcript, dont want any mellons starting anything in my direction.
 
@AviD what's "mellons" supposed to mean now? I didn't get the memo again
 
Man. I just saw how expensive the GIAC certs are.
 
@AviD Oh... thanks mellon! :))
I get it now
 
6:28 PM
sfunny... I was named after my grandfather... and his name was Albert.
(Well, he had two names, one in Hebrew - my parents took that one. )
 
@AviD dang, and I thought we ought to call you Albi from now on, damnit
 
@TerryChia @LucasKauffman I kind of stepped into security gradually, but as an outgrowth of development. I liked breaking things, learning how to build them better, figure out how to break it still, and so on...
so for me it was very much the combination of the childish tendency to break things, and the engineer's compulsion with building things.
 
6:58 PM
@TildalWave Nah, it's alright, my PS skills are at Notepad level, I already know that.
 
oh man you stalker you
I knew it wasnt from linkedin!
 
@AviD I typed your name into Google, then clicked Images.
Yeah, I'm a big haxor!
@AviD It was in the first row
 
I'm actually uncomfortable with that link there. Now I have to get my mother to restrict access to those pics...
 
@ScottPack Which ones?
@AviD I was actually surprised to find a pic outside LinkedIn
 
@Adnan yeah, well... waddayagonna do, everybody has a mom....
hmm, and a mother in law....
 
7:03 PM
@AviD Not at all
@AviD Can't do it, but it's too late for me to remove it, so you have to use your mod power
 
lolwat? I'm following some of those pics to their sites, seems I'm being quoted on random sites I've never heard of before.
look at the bottom
coincidentally...
 
@AviD By the way, after restricting access to the album, you can initiate a URL removal request using Google Webmaster Tools.
 
thanks
dont mind pics of me so much, its the family that puts up my blockers.
 
@AviD Well, you have to accept it, you're now famous.
 
hahaha
 
7:11 PM
@AviD 500+connections :O
 
I find google images' algorithm amusing. 1) search all sites' contents for the string. 2) pull out all random images from that site.
so most of those images have nothing to do with what you searched for.
@Adnan I should probably cull some of them... but I know every single one personally, and worked with most of them.
That's the life of a consultant....
Professional Services FTW
 
@AviD I forgot what I was searching for yesterday when I came across a mail-order asian bride ad in the top 10 image results. It had absolutely nothing to do with asians, marriage, or women.
 
to be clear, I dont mean FTW in the positive sense....
@Iszi I think those are always there, no matter what you search for.
 
@AviD I'm not sure how to feel about this. I've just Googled my full name and I found nothing related to me.
 
@AviD You need to do this, then...
 
7:14 PM
@Iszi no, not sarcasm.... see #2
 
Several months ago I'd have found lots of stuff because of Facebook, Twitter, and public LinkedIn. Now, nothing.
But I'm sure I'm still on some indexer somewhere
 
Evening. You guys been having an interesting time in here. I missed out - @Rory's are at OWASP event this eve.
 
Argh. I've got about 30 windows open, most of them work-related, but only *one* of them has to do with the task I need to be working on.

The hunt begins...
 
@avid - Still on mobile so can't follow chat link . What were you still loving?
Oh, and nice 'tache :-)
 
@RoryAlsop which one you referring to?
 
7:19 PM
@RoryAlsop Now that you mentioned it, I checked Finland on OWASP. Turns out the guys at the Helsinki chapter are moderately active.
 
@RoryAlsop ah right, that quite a few q's are being closed without us.
 
The flavour of mod activity is changing. It means more of what we deal with will be the edge cases or bad stuff, but we have less stiff to deal with.
 
@RoryAlsop It means every time I see a flag, I have to think :(
 
@JeffFerland yeah, exactly
 
@Adnan All of them. $999 straight down the board. That's to sit for the exam, not the course.
 
7:26 PM
Thinking gets in the way of the hammer. Stop messing with Hammer Time.
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@jefff - true
 
Not I can't stop seat dancing.
 
@Jefff @Rory - I am hereby declaring a moratorium on modthinking. For the next 2 weeks, any and all flags should be immediately and promptly approved, as quickly as possible.
The Hammer Must Rule.
 
8:01 PM
Hahahaha - danger @AviD Robinson
 
8:22 PM
Quick question. Can we say that encrypting a password with a key derived from the password itself is basically hashing it?
(I'm not talking about security and slowness here, nor excepting an equal output. I'm just wondering about the concept)
 
@Adnan the size of the output depends on the size of the password, so no
 
@Gilles Oh yeah, I missed that. Then another question, does it make sense to store a password in that way rather than hashing it?
 
@Adnan I can't think of a reason, but that doesn't tell you much
Whatever process you use to derive a key from the password is already a hash, why not stop there?
 
@Gilles That's exactly what I was thinking about.
Or I could be totally misunderstanding the second paragraph of AJ's answer
 
8:39 PM
@Adnan a little bit.
two different passwords.
 
@AviD I still see no point of encrypting either of them.
 
1) user's password used to login to the system; 2) service password to authenticate to 3rd party.
(though I didnt really read the whole thread in depth...)
 
@AviD if that's what he means, his answer is badly written
 
> When a password needs to be stored for use with a third party service, the password should be encrypted symmetrically with a key derived from the user's password.
 
I disagree with his answer, there is some value in this “2 random letters” authentication
 
8:41 PM
I'm not sure how relevant that is to the q, but that part is on point.
 
he's harping in on one threat and neglecting other threats
 
I really wanted to downvote the other guy's answer, but today I downvoted so many answers that I cannot vote anymore.
@AviD Well, reading that again after your explanation, I think the second paragraph is off-topic.
 
@Adnan yeah, figured.
 
@AviD Any idea how I can post a status update on LinedIn?
 
@Adnan oh, so now I'm the LinkedIn expert?
 
8:43 PM
I've temporarily changed my name on LinkedIn and I want to let my contacts know that everything is alright and I'll use my real name again very soon.
 
it's pretty much right there, at the top of your homepage after you login.
 
@AviD I cannot see it.
It used to be there
 
@Adnan are you logged in, and on the home page?
Click Home again, just to be sure.
 
@AviD Yes and yes
 
then scroll up...
 
8:46 PM
@AviD Nothing. Just updates by my connections and a big "LinkedIn Today recommends this news for you"
 
and above that?
is there a picture of you?
 
@AviD Nope
 
very weird
that needs to be meme-ified.
or at least secreactions'ed....
 
I think I should answer that. I'm disappointed by this knee-jerk sec.se reaction “no password hashing → bad, I don't know why but I don't care, why should I look at the threat model, lalalalalala”
 
@AviD You look older than I thought.
 
8:50 PM
@ScottPack hehe. In case you don't know, that's Steven Sinofski, formerly the executive in charge of Windows at MS. You philistine.
 
@AviD I am not Aegean you paraquat!
 
@ScottPack Polly wanna cracker
 
@Gilles I like the lalalalala part.
Aaaaand upvoted!
Yeah, just take your moneyz to a new bank.
 
@Adnan upvoted what?
 
@Gilles Somebody upvoted AJ's answer.
 
10:00 PM
@LucasKauffman Ack, one of the MOST overplayed songs ever.
 
@D3C4FF the genre is not popular here
 
@LucasKauffman I love my wubs, but that song gets included in basically every tracklist ever. And mannn does it get old fast :P
@TerryChia Exactly! :D
 
I like the part where it goes WOBWOBWOB
and t hen
tuuutuuuut
 
@Adnan I'm pretty sure i got into security first, then enjoyed hackers for teh lulz second :P
@LucasKauffman My favourite bit is when it goes tingtingting......................WUBWUBWUB
 
10:18 PM
@Gilles You should do it. The dogma is is not only unhelpful, but reflects poorly on the site.
 
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A: Is there any good reason not to salt/hash passwords you store?

GillesSecurity is a complex endeavor, and knee-jerk reactions like “plaintext password? never” are just as bad as “passwords must contain special characters” or “my crypto's bigger than yours” or “if I can't understand it nobody can” if you don't consider the full context. First, let's analyze the ass...

now expecting a string of “-1 no password hashing → bad”, “TL&DR” and “+1 TL&DR”
 
@Gilles Jesus! Finally!
Too bad I have no votes left.
 
@Adnan you can vote again in 97 minutes
 
@Gilles So is the vote limit 40 per UTC day or 40 per each 24 hour period?
 
@Adnan per UTC day
all the visible limits are per UTC day
it's only the rate limitations (comments/s, questions/day, ...) that are on sliding windows
I wish it was 280/week or something, on U&L there are many days where I want to vote on more than 40 posts and it's annoying to have to leave all these tabs open to vote the next day
do you vote on a lot of old posts? I've only cast 32 votes this week, and I'm the #3 all-time voter
 
10:32 PM
@Gilles Well, it depends. But today I saw a bad answer that was upvoted.. 2 times. I was so angry, I went over every downvote-worthy answer I could see/remember and downvoted it.
 
wow, you downvote a lot
 
@Gilles I only downvote things that needs to be downvoted.
Same goes for upvotes.
 
@gilles isn't that question about Hsm a dupe of security.stackexchange.com/questions/4830/…
 
I very rarely downvote anything and when I do it usually gets deleted an hour or two later.
 
Same here I down vote questions down easier answers if they are wrong
 
10:43 PM
@LucasKauffman no, the earlier one was how, this one is why
 
@Ladadadada Well, I have a very strict mentality when it comes to the voting system. I neither go crazy with my upvotes, nor go easy with my downvotes.
When I see something bad, I have to downvote it. It's both my duty and a way to express my opinion.
 
@Adnan The system works on votes. The only complaint I've ever seen anyone make regarding someone else's voting habits is when they don't do enough of it.
 
@Ladadadada Actually I have two complains about some people's voting habits. 1- Counter-votes: Someone upvoting an answer they wouldn't usually upvote, and only because it had a downvote. 2- Being touchy feely when it comes to downvoting bad answers.
 
a wild bear appears!
 
@Thomas We kind of missed your presence around here
 
10:52 PM
@Adnan I have a lot of work lately. Everybody rushing.
So I cut down a bit on the DMZ presence.
 
@ThomasPornin Well, good to know that. We were worried it might be something more urgent.
 

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