Root Access

Tanner

3:00 PM

What I thought was odd is that they won't use it because they "have to go looking for it"

anwyatt

@tan

Tanner

why do they have to look for it? can't you put a shortcut on their desktop for them?

allquixotic

@BenRichards that's fine, but I'm sure there are a lot of reasonably important names (maybe not the huge names like Adobe and Spotify and Netflix) that don't target WP8...

anwyatt

@Tanner Totally, I have actually looked into GQuess - it auto syncs with our calendars, right?

allquixotic

I'll stop being a rhetorician and actually go look at the windows store tonight when I get home

and see what kind of apps they have and don't have

Tanner

3:00 PM

Yes, it ties in fairly nicely to the google calendar

allquixotic

then I'll ping you and let yo know what apps I have installed on my smartphone (that I use) which are not in the Windows Store

Ben Richards

@allquixotic There were some growing pains but I haven't run into really any problems regarding companies not supporting my phone (except Xfinity and Hulu, but I don't mind that too much).

anwyatt

Cool - how does it handle private tasks (if at all)?

e.g. Can management assign tasks that other employees aren't aware of?

allquixotic

also, does Windows Phone allow you to tether without root/jailbreaking over USB?

anwyatt

Ignore that "if"

Tanner

3:02 PM

push the up arrow to edit your last message ;)

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Tether over USB? Why do that when I can just do it over WiFi?

allquixotic

the Android Debug Bridge still allows that on Android, even as of the latest version on the most locked-down phones... it's an IPv4 over USB protocol I believe

Bob

@allquixotic What about alternatives that work the same way? :P

Tanner

I believe it can do that. To be honest, I simply demo'd it a while ago and let my users have at it =D

Bob

@allquixotic That's typically a OEM/carrier restriction.

Both Android and Symbian^3 could do that easily - except for some carrier-locked ROMs.

anwyatt

3:03 PM

@Tanner makes sense - does it have a mobile app?

Bob

But at least Nokia's Symbian^3 phones were very easy to flash with a non-carrier country stock ROM.

Ben Richards

To tether over WiFi, I just open my AT&T app, purchase the 5GB data plan, and then open up Internet Sharing in Settings and turn on tethering.

allquixotic

@Bob we both know that alternatives that work the same way aren't the same, or Linux would have a 50% marketshare by now on the desktop :P I mean, come on, people are still whining that OpenOffice/LibreOffice isn't a replacement for Microsoft Office

Bob

Using their official software and all.

Tanner

@anwyatt only android =\

Bob

3:03 PM

@allquixotic Well, it isn't. It's crap.

Tanner

you can always sync the calendar with a different app though

Bob

I've used it. I am using it, at times.

allquixotic

and then there's games, which are literally irreplaceable; you can't just take a "generic strategy game" or a "generic tower defense" and be OK with it if the game you want isn't on your platform

Bob

@allquixotic I need Kies installed to do that with Android :\

Ben Richards

Windows Phone has excellent games. But if you really want Angry Birds then it's on here too.

allquixotic

3:04 PM

@BenRichards well there's the problem -- all the carriers restrict how much data you can transfer over wifi, whereas with my grandfathered unlimited plan on Verizon, the only way I can tether and keep my unlimited data is to use USB. now if I bought a Windows Phone and there's no way to tether over USB, I'd be stuck at a limited data plan.

anwyatt

@Tanner Sure - I think that will be fine for most of us - but I have been looking for a good cross-platform messaging application that doesn't cost an arm and a leg or require much effort from our users - especially our sales team.

Bob

@allquixotic I was talking more about things like scheduled tasks (Tasker on Android is the big one)

anwyatt

@Tanner We briefly tried Lync, but since we weren't also using the phone system, it seemed ridiculous to spend that much each month on a glorified instant messenger.

Bob

Apps that are functionally identical would be quite common for the simpler tasks.

@allquixotic Yea, that's a bit of an exception.

Ben Richards

@allquixotic I think that counts as a very localized problem. :P You're probably one in a handful of people who are really worried about that. Thank Verizon for deciding to bless you with a grandfathered plan. :P

Tanner

3:05 PM

@anwyatt Wow. yeah.

allquixotic

guess I'm a bit of a niche in that I use my phone as my primary internet connection, but it's a niche I refuse to give up unless they literally force me to, and I don't have to root or break any laws or violate any terms of service to take advantage of unlimited data tethered to my desktop (to my router, actually)

anwyatt

@Tanner any suggestions?

Ben Richards

I rarely use over 3GB/month. In fact, if I could get a 1GB plan I would.

allquixotic

@BenRichards pretty sure I could use 10GB/month just on the phone itself if I had FiOS at home

Tanner

There seems to be plenty of free gtalk apps

Ben Richards

3:06 PM

However, when I'm done tethering, I can roll back my data plan and it won't charge me for the days I didn't have it.

Bob

@allquixotic Wait, why can't you tether over WiFi?

allquixotic

Spotify streaming, MLB TV, Netflix, and mega app download updates

Tanner

If you're wanting to push one out to people, just find one that seems simple enough to set up. Otherwise, you can always let users choose.

KronoS

Check out SE's Konomai code easter egg: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/178643/151224?stw=2

Tweeted by SuperKronos on May 1, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Bob

Except restrictions on your carrier-branded ROM, which would not apply if you purchased a phone outright.

allquixotic

3:07 PM

@Bob there's a built-in app to tether over wifi, but Verizon bills it on a separate data plan and it's limited to 5GB

KronoS

just in case you guys were interested

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Well that's all Verizon's fault, then :P

anwyatt

@Tanner for sure - thanks a ton for your help, I think I'm going to move forward with GQueues.

Tanner

@anwyatt google talk is fairly easy to interface with. I have nagios sending me alerts through it from a perl script. :P

@anwyatt Good luck =D

Ben Richards

Also, I tried tethering over bluetooth on my old Symbian phone and it didn't work. I don't remember why but it was a pain and the apps didn't work in the end.

Bob

3:07 PM

@allquixotic That wouldn't apply on your own phone, though.

allquixotic

@Bob I did purchase the phone outright, but I still don't want to root it, because apps like the Battle.Net Authenticator get up in arms if they detect root

Bob

@BenRichards S60 or S^3?

anwyatt

@Tanner Good to hear - seriously - it makes me feel way better that something I ass already considering was recommended.

Ben Richards

@Bob S60.

It was an AT&T branded E71. They borked the OS with the AT&T branding, btw.

allquixotic

@Bob yes it would -- unless I root and use a third-party wifi tethering app (which work terribly bad in my experience), they will bill me separately for a 5GB data plan, even though I'm grandfathered unlimited. their app knows what traffic goes through the wifi tethering and what is going through the phone itself.

Bob

3:08 PM

@allquixotic An outright phone that's not carrier-branded shouldn't expose that to the carrier... data usage should look the same regardless of whether it's coming from the phone itself or a tethered device.

Ben Richards

@Bob Oh, I actually think it was a 6650 Fold. The E71 was later.

allquixotic

@Bob it's carrier branded, I didn't buy it from Moto, I bought it from Verizon, but I paid full retail to keep my unlimited contract

Bob

@allquixotic Yea... try buying a clean phone next time :P

Unless they won't let you use that.

Ben Richards

@allquixotic If you're really concerned about having an open OS, you have no excuse for not flashing a custom ROM. :P

Bob

I dunno. You Americans are funny. We just swap SIM cards.

@BenRichards That's old :P

allquixotic

3:09 PM

@Bob it's not that they won't let me use it; it's that the only phones that have an LTE radio are branded

Bob

@BenRichards Phoenix. Flashes very easily.

allquixotic

find me an unlocked, vanilla android phone that has an LTE radio. plz. good luck. (hint: Nexus line fails)

Ben Richards

@Bob Only on CDMA networks. Us AT&T users have the convenience of SIM cards. Actually that's why I refuse to go onto a CDMA network. :P

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@Bob Yeah, it was probably ~5 years ago. :P

Bob

I won't pretend to understand tying phones to contracts, as CDMA apparently does.

allquixotic

@BenRichards uh, LTE uses SIM cards too? I plucked a SIM card out of a Razr Maxx, stuck it in a MiFi mobile hotspot and it's been working (with unlimited data) for months. Verizon's contractually obligated (or it'll face heavy fines from the FCC) to allow that hotspot. They can't discriminate on what device the consumer uses.

Ben Richards

3:11 PM

Verizon has SIM cards now? That's new!

allquixotic

old "3G" CDMA devices -- EvDO and older -- don't use a SIM card and are locked to the network, but LTE devices have SIM cards.

Ben Richards

Used to be that to get transferred to a new phone, you had to go to a Verizon store or call them up or something.

Good to know. :)

Even still, AT&T has been good to me, so I'm set.

allquixotic

I think my very first LTE device, an HTC Thunderbolt on the 1900 MHz spectrum, did not have a SIM card. But the 700 MHz band LTE devices on the FCC's recent-ish licensed band all use SIM

Bob

@allquixotic jbhifionline.com.au/mobile-phones/mobiles-outright/…

Does not appear to be carrier locked.

But that's Australia.

allquixotic

and that's why Verizon is the best LTE carrier in the world... the 700 MHz spectrum is just so much more reliable, greater range, and the FCC's restrictions on what Verizon can do to screw consumers are amazingly powerful

@Bob no 700 MHz spectrum; no deal

I should refine my statement above ^

find me an unlocked phone with an LTE radio on the 700 MHz band (Verizon's LTE band) :P

they don't exist hehe

Bob

3:14 PM

Yea... you're not gonna find a 700MHz phone in Australia.

Ben Richards

I've been on AT&T ever since I got my own cellphone plan (2008)

Bob

Wait. The Lumia 920 apparently has a 700MHz LTE model :P

allquixotic

honestly the main reason I don't root is that I have no practical need to -- but if the need ever arises, it's nice to know that, contractually speaking, I'm allowed to, and I could just buy a developer phone which ships unlocked

Bob

Probably the one @BenRichards is using, actually...

allquixotic

@Bob he's probably got one that supports 1900 MHz. that's AT&T's band (and everyone else but Verizon) AFAIK. unless AT&T got some of the 700 MHz spectrum

Bob

3:16 PM

It's an AT&T branded phone. Doh.

:P

Ben Richards

I've called up support a few times and they've always been helpful. Once the problem (with an LG phone) stymied them so they assigned someone to my case and gave me a direct-to-his-desk number to call. Since they couldn't resolve it, they slashed my bill for that month.

allquixotic

or licenses the towers from Verizon

Ben Richards

@Bob Yeah, that's the Lumia 928 I think.

allquixotic

funny how numbers get re-used in the industry

the internal name for my phone is the Motorola XT928

Ben Richards

wpcentral.com/tag/lumia-928

allquixotic

3:17 PM

also, Intel HD4000 for Ivy Bridge, and AMD Radeon HD4000

Ben Richards

The Lumia 928 is Verizon.

allquixotic

GeForce GTX9800; Radeon 9800 (ooooold)

Bob

Heh. Apparently, when Aus gets 700 MHz LTE, it'll be on different frequencies than Verizon and AT&T.

Joy, yet more phone incompatibility.

allquixotic

@Bob when Aus gets 7000 MHz LTE (7 GHz), let me know, because I'll put up a piece of paper to block your signal

4

Ben Richards

Haha

Bob

3:19 PM

@allquixotic Typos :(

allquixotic

:)

Bob

@BenRichards Weird. GSMArena lists an AT&T 700MHz 920

allquixotic

the FCCs of the world (in every country) should really just all sit down in the U.N. or something and come up with a worldwide standard for cellular data spectrum, and reserve an absolutely ginormous block of spectrum for it in a perfect frequency for long range and building penetration

Worldwide Standard 5G

Bob

We're still using it for analog TV :P

allquixotic

gigabit speeds (if you touch your phone to the tower)

Ben Richards

3:21 PM

Nokia Lumia 920

Nokia Lumia 920 is a smartphone developed by Nokia that runs the Windows Phone 8 operating system. It was announced on September 5, 2012, and was first released on November 2, 2012. It has a 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait CPU and a 114 mm (4.5″) IPS TFT LCD display, as well as a high-sensitivity capacitive touchscreen that is covered by curved Gorilla Glass. It supports inductive charging (it can be charged by being placed directly onto a charging pad) and is compatible with Qi Inductive Charging; further, it features an 8.7 megapixel PureView camera with optical image stabil...

@Bob Maybe it works on that too. Wiki lists that band too.

Bob

Prob is, most good ranges are already reserved.

allquixotic

@BenRichards good aesthetics, but it looks like Nokia didn't license Apple's patent for round corners

Ben Richards

Might be for global compatability.

@allquixotic Hah, yeah. :P

I like the phone. Nokia makes excellent hardware. I got the white one.

I'd take a photo but my phone is my camera. :P

allquixotic

those sharp corners would bug me and probably injure me, my razr maxx hd's corners are very slightly rounded

Bob

@allquixotic What a pity :)

Ben Richards

3:22 PM

Not a problem for me. The Lumia 900 was more of an issue for me in that regard.

allquixotic

I'm sure the UX is nice (why else would I want a Surface Pro?) but like I said, app compatibility, and market share, and in general my familiarity with just how malleable Linux is (especially once you root, but even unrooted you can do a heck of a lot on Android)

Ben Richards

Amusingly, though, I keep randomly seeing people with the Lumia 920 in the wild.

allquixotic

the only thing I would overhaul on Android today is the freaking..... audio stack. grr.

Ben Richards

I saw the same with the 900. So (at least here), Windows Phone has a good pickup.

Bob

Wait. What?

> The problem is that Windows 8 installs to the Hardware. It ONLY has drivers for the exact hardware it's on. If you were to try to migrate the partition into a Virtual Disk Image, it would not boot, as the hardware is different.

???

allquixotic

3:24 PM

they need to strip out audioflinger and replace it with pulseaudio on android

too much latency, dropouts, etc

Bob

@allquixotic Heh. It's like Windows in that regard.

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Why don't you? :P

Bob

@BenRichards I see far too many iPhones.

It amuses me to see the ones with cracked glass, though.

Ben Richards

@Bob Me too. I probably have confirmation bias though. I notice Windows Phones more easily.

It's still interesting.

Bob

Of course a full glass front and back is a great idea. cough

allquixotic

3:25 PM

@BenRichards actually I could, because some guy has been working on supporting the AudioFlinger API on top of pulseaudio so legacy apps can work, I just haven't had the willpower -- however, these dropouts in my streaming media will eventually eat away enough of my soul that I'm like, THAT'S IT, GRAAAH, root the damn thing and install pulseaudio

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Go for it!

Bob

@BenRichards You just want him to void his contract :P

Ben Richards

@Bob Psh. :P

allquixotic

@Bob rooting doesn't void my contract because I outright bought this phone

and the FCC says Verizon can't prevent consumer modifications to the device or penalize consumers who choose to modify their device, unless those modifications violate existing FCC rules -- for example, amplifying the signal beyond the rated SNR, or broadcasting or receiving on bands beyond those that the chip's firmware is designed to use

so basically I can tweak the software to do whatever I want as long as I don't turn my LTE chip into an aviation CB radio or something

Ben Richards

Ooh, good idea! :P

allquixotic

3:28 PM

(it could probably get great signal on the neighboring 700-800 MHz aviation analog voice channels)

Ben Richards

I can't concentrate on work because I'm hungry...

allquixotic

@BenRichards use the ~~Dominos app~~ the inferior Dominos mobile website to order yourself a pizza, then

watch, as soon as I say that, you'll retort that Dominos has an app for windows phone

-_-

Ben Richards

@allquixotic lol

Why do that when I can call in my order to a local pizza place?

Domino's was good in college.

Bob

@allquixotic I do have a Find Domino's Pizza in India app available on my Win8 laptop...

Ben Richards

I think my phone can place calls, anyway... I hope Windows Phone has an app for that because God knows that Windows Phone has a crappy app selection...

allquixotic

3:30 PM

oh, I have a very specific incentive for using online ordering with Papa John's actually. online orders ONLY get 50% off the entire order on the day after the Orioles score 5 or more runs and win. which is a lot, lately

and I usually only think of ordering pizza in the car where I don't have a nice comfy desktop to order from

Ben Richards

Hehe

I used the feedback form on the Domino's website when my pizza was late one day. They actually read those! They called me to follow up.

allquixotic

@BenRichards cool :D

and yeah, I could theoretically order a 50% off pizza today (or enough for the whole family, so, 2 larges) because yay

I ordered Dominos over the weekend. the O's had lost the day before and I like Dominos' hand tossed crust

Ben Richards

There, I just ordered a small pizza w/ pepperoni, mushrooms, and black olives from my local pizza place. :)

Dangit, that's not healthy food!

Oh well :P

allquixotic

hehe

I'm having bean salad, yogurt and fruit for lunch today :/

which is what I have most days....

Ben Richards

aww

I usually have a tuna sub or something similar.

Ok, bbl. Gonna go pick it up.

Bob

3:34 PM

All this talk of food...

It's 1:30 am D:

allquixotic

@Bob and you're hungry?

Bob

I am now :P

Yea... can't find that battery anywhere.

At $2, I can just order a dozen more, but I'm more worried it'll catch fire in some corner :\

allquixotic

@Bob that corner would have to get pretty hot for it to catch fire

Bob

It's a cheap Li-ion battery. Anything can happen.

allquixotic

that said, chemical batteries will surely be a growing problem for fire hazard with all the gadgets we tote around these days

ah, remember the good ole days when asbestos was legal, and nobody used batteries that spontaneously combust, or even really batteries at all, and fires were rare...

now even Boeing is having problems with them

Ben Richards

3:40 PM

Here I am waiting for my pizza.

One thing I do like is that IE mobile uses exactly the same engine as IE on the desktop.

There is no difference

allquixotic

not dissimilar from Webkit then

Ben Richards

Cool

allquixotic

most if not all the major browser vendors are doing that these days. I don't know about Opera, but FF is doing that too

CPUs on mobile are fast enough that you don't have to really pare down your renderer anymore

Ben Richards

Cool

Woah look at what I just got in my inbox:

m.tokyoflash.com/kisai/rogue_sr2_wood

I almost want it :P

allquixotic

no relation to the Normandy SR2 from Mass Effect? :(

Ben Richards

3:45 PM

Unfortunately no. :P

But its made of wood!

Bob

@allquixotic Apparently Opera is switching to webkit.

Firefox should be using the same Gecko engine.

It's a pity, Presto was good.

allquixotic

the rumor mill for the Motorola X Phone thinks that there will be a wood case option for it, but right now that entire device is just a rumor

hurry up Google IO

if they launch the X Phone at google IO, omg...

shut up and take my money

Ben Richards

mm pizza

allquixotic

@BenRichards lucky :(

is it from a small place?

rather than a chain

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yes

:P

Always!

How disturbing. arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/…

@allquixotic You like how I revamped the Tetrino drawing methods? :P

Totally not golfed but a bit consolidated. :P

allquixotic

4:08 PM

@BenRichards urgh... that guy could end up being a shill for Comcast/Verizon/AT&T and doing something really stupid like removing the contractual restrictions on 700 MHz

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yeah

allquixotic

no longer an Obama supporter if that happens :(

Ben Richards

@allquixotic I think Obama screwed up with that appointment

But yeah. I voted for him too.

allquixotic

he took us all for fools

he's just as authoritarian as every other president in recent times

(Romney wouldn't have been any better BTW)

Ben Richards

I think about how it would be to be President. I honestly think many of the issues are just ignorance or misplaced trust.

President can't be up on every single issue. That's what the cabinet of advisers are for.

I like Obama but I don't like the appointment.

And it really is true that he has to fight up against momentum of hundreds of Washington vets with their own vested interests.

allquixotic

4:11 PM

I won't apologize for him

Ben Richards

Personally I hate lobbying but that won't stop without some real pain. It's like a cancer, but getting rid of it hurts a LOT.

allquixotic

this guy is a worm (the one nominated for FCC). VC? lobbying for comcast? give me a break.

Ben Richards

Yeah

allquixotic

obviously about as pro-corporation as you can get

Ben Richards

I do think that he got in mainly because he's friendly with the guy. But "oh, he has lots of experience with these issues" makes it easy to justify the appointment. I could easily be tempted to go for him if I was more ignorant on the field.

But what kind of experience is important.

Just saying that I think I know the thought process behind it, even if I don't agree.

DrawCells(0x0622); <-- I am particularly proud of this method. :P

allquixotic

4:14 PM

lol

Ben Richards

I actually used a similar method in an old QBASIC program in highschool to encode fonts.

Since QBASIC's text support is still column/row aligned as opposed to pixel-aligned, I had to render my own fonts to get that.

The only thing with the Tetris game is rotating the "T" piece doesn't seem to work according to the same rules that rotating everything else does.

The rotation point seems centered on one of the blocks, as opposed to the real center of the 4x4 grid.

allquixotic

not sure I follow but I haven't been looking at your code today

Ben Richards

But I'm not hacking that to try and fix it. It just is odd to me.

Just thinking about how tetris behaves and how you implement it (wrt rotation of the pieces)

allquixotic

ROFL, is this even valid IPs? this guy is setting his guest VMs to IPs 127.0.0.2, 127.0.0.3

0

Q: Ubuntu SSH communcation

I have installed to 2 Ubuntu on VMware and i m trying to communicate between 2 machines using ssh. I made the following changes Updated the etc/host files on 2 machines Master and Slave with ips 127.0.0.2 slave 127.0.0.3 master and created a key to communicate between the two machines. W...

Ben Richards

Hah. I really don't know. :P 127.0.0.1 is localhost... why would they block off the rest of 127.x.x.x if they weren't used?

So, are they, or aren't they? Research!

allquixotic

4:19 PM

> IPv4 network standards reserve the entire 127.0.0.0/8 address block for loopback purposes. That means any packet sent to one of those 16,777,214 addresses (127.0.0.1 through 127.255.255.255) will be looped back.

Ben Richards

Wow, what a weird restriction.

Though I guess it makes sense as far as flagging traffic for loopback by only checking a single 8-bit value as opposed to 4.

allquixotic

eh, it's only 16 million addresses; that'd buy us another year or three of IPv4

Ben Richards

:P

allquixotic

5:03 PM

rep capped. that's the first time in a while

a lot of it coming from interesting questions

Ben Richards

I've switched to KDE4 the past couple days. Pretty neat. However, that Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn in Konsole moves between tabs in the opposite direction that gnome-terminal does keeps tripping me up :P

Ярослав Рахматуллин

You should be able to fix that...

Ben Richards

I can. Also, I don't have a Russian keyboard so I can't @mention you :P

I'm changing it now

Ярослав Рахматуллин

I mustache you a question. Why do you bother with konsole and gnome terminal?

Ben Richards

I like tabbed console windows. Also they're way better than xterm :P

Ярослав Рахматуллин

5:11 PM

So tabs then

Ben Richards

Mainly, yeah

I'll regularly have > 3 tabs open at any given time.

allquixotic

I love terminal tabs

Ben Richards

Also they are maintained. So far as I know, xterm is old, antiquated, and not maintained.

allquixotic

I use Console2 on Windows because it's tabbed and you can set up different tabs for different things, e.g. different init files; one for powershell, one for VS2010, one for cygwin, etc

Ben Richards

@allquixotic I have that too :)

If only the Windows command prompt could dynamically resize horizontally though :P

Ярослав Рахматуллин

5:14 PM

Who's suggesting xterm? ...I hate slow terminals. I used aterm up until 2011, at which point I switched to urxvt.

Ben Richards

xterm seems to be the default everywhere I go, even today...

On Cygwin I use mintty but it has no tabs..

allquixotic

@BenRichards copy and paste is an unmitigated disaster, too

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Agreed.

Dangit. I'm getting inspired to write my own console program again.

allquixotic

I think Microsoft could get a lot of developer traction on windows by shipping a great terminal emulator out of the box, with great support for SUS and POSIX commands like ls, man, etc

Ben Richards

I have great ideas (in my opinion) for usability improvements.

allquixotic

5:16 PM

powershell's syntax is terribad, and besides that, it's much too verbose for a scripting language

AND it doesn't fix the terminal emulator's key problems

Ben Richards

IMO, the terminal's UX design is old and antiquated and in need of updating.

allquixotic

yeah they just need to start over with it

Ben Richards

@allquixotic However Powershell is awesome in its key concepts (object-oriented as opposed to text-based)

allquixotic

although to do that successfully I think they'd have to throw out the console subsystem ABI

which would be tantamount to dropping a TON of backwards compatibility

unless they added another subsystem on top, ugh

Ben Richards

That's Windows' Achilles heel

allquixotic

5:18 PM

I like how Linux is always "just @!#$*!@(ing break it"

re-engineer to do it right

Ben Richards

It's nice, though there is also a lot of infighting as to what is "right" :P

There still isn't consistency in weird places.

Like -R vs -r for recursively traversing directories...

Though I do like the established GNU way of doing command-line switches in general.

allquixotic

@BenRichards true, and changing that would break soooooooo many scripts

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Oh yeah.

allquixotic

phone batt down to 76%; I left the house with it at 97% and listened to music in the car with the screen on for minutes at a time, and have been listening to it on and off today

/sigh

MATERIALS SCIENCE STUDENTS
Y U NO INVENT BETTR BATTERY?!?!

I want a "Fusion Battery" from Fallout 3. :D. Carry around fusile material that, somehow, fuses on demand for nearly unlimited energy on the spot

Sathya

sup folks

allquixotic

5:26 PM

if the game is to be believed, they're about the size of a smartphone (fusion batteries) but have the energy density of the strong atomic force of the battery's mass in deuterium/tritium

without, somehow, cratering every city in the world from their commonplace use (although the game is predicated on nuclear war in the first place, but it was done using huge bombs....)

Ben Richards

allquixotic

gotta wonder, if they could make fusion batteries, why they couldn't make small nuclear warheads instead of big "Fat Man" style fission bombs. weird game

@BenRichards doing what?

Ben Richards

SMS, some web browsing, twitter, facebook, some music.

Me and my gf text a ton throughout the day.

Oh, also, we have a crap connection in the building.

allquixotic

LOL my battery app tells me 74% of the energy consumed has been from the screen being on. oh well, at least it's not the OS. I guess I just need a phone that has a lower energy screen, because I like to have the screen on a lot

Ben Richards

I use it as a GPS but plugged in to my car.

My screen shuts off after 3 minutes

allquixotic

5:29 PM

if I find an android phone with an IPS screen I might be ok

I have mine configured to shut off after 10 minutes... I want to be able to change songs or manually pick from my playlist without having to turn on the screen with the power button

screen using 74% of energy, mediaserver (audio I/O) using 8%, Android OS (kernel? daemons?) using 5%, Phone idle using 4%, cell standby using 2% , blue tooth 2%, spotify 2%, Chrome 2%

they shoulda called it NOMLED. Noms up energy like there's no tomorrow

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Ben Richards

The main thing that helped my battery was to disable push sync for my email accounts (I have at least 6 synced on here).

I have it check every 15 minutes or less and it saves me a ton of battery.

allquixotic

I think the gmail app is pull sync but it doesn't even register in the battery consumption list

Ben Richards

Good to check.

allquixotic

so yeah, I was wrong, at least at my desk it's not the LTE hogging battery

Ярослав Рахматуллин

Sathya, sup

allquixotic

5:33 PM

I guess if I downloaded at line speed all day it would be, but most of my spotify songs on my playlist are cached in NAND

no wonder this device needs 3300 mAh of battery. AMOLED. nuff said.

Ярослав Рахматуллин

Ben, I doubt you need to write a new terminal. tabbed terms on top: bpaste.net/show/95672

allquixotic

BAH -- even the Galaxy Note II, which I was faintly considering (but not seriously), is AMOLED :/

Dear Android smartphone manufacturers,
Please stop using AMOLED.
Thanks,
People who want their Li-Ion battery to last them more than 3 hours with the screen on

Ben Richards

@ЯрославРахматуллин Oh, it's not tabs that I'm talking about. It's many, many other things which I'm certain no one else has done yet.

allquixotic

5:49 PM

ugh, windows explorer bug

every time i move my mouse over the taskbar and then back, it thinks my mouse is still hovering over the icon and gives me the tooltip

taskkill /f explorer.exe

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yeah, that happens sporadically. It's been around for a while. Always annoyed me too.

In fact, I think there might be a SU question about it :P

@allquixotic I don't recall if Win8 fixed it though..

allquixotic

@BenRichards never observed the problem on windows 8

only win7

Bob

@allquixotic web browsing and sitting in my pocket for 90 mins: 100% to 20%

allquixotic

@Bob i feel less bad about mine now

Bob

10 mins? 1 min screen shutoff here -_-

allquixotic

5:52 PM

my screen has been on for 4 hours today and i'm only at 72% batt

Bob

I'm hoping for a better experience now that I'm using my second backup battery as the primary :\

Ben Richards

Yeah, about 4 hours since I charged for me.

83% now.

Bob

@BenRichards that was horrible. Gmail doesn't let you set a frequency, and the one time I enabled the syncing it drained the battery flat in three hours. Without me ever pulling it out.

allquixotic

my next phone will be IPS

Bob

Doesn't help that the S2 comes with a puny battery (1650 mAh)

Ben Richards

5:54 PM

@allquixotic @Bob When I was at PAX East, I used one of these though. Got me through the full day (probably about 12-14 hours):

allquixotic

we need to stop sacrificing all at the altar of thin

Ben Richards

all4cellular.com/product/…

I'd link to Amazon but it's borked

Oh there we go

amazon.com/Chromo-Backup-Battery-Nokia-Lumia/dp/B00BTG1QSO/…

Bob

I can't buy from Amazon :P

I have one of those for the S2

Ben Richards

End of the day I'd have about 75% to 50% battery left after using it.

Bob

Bulky as hell. May as well get one of those 3500mAh extended batteries (they require a modified back plate)

Ben Richards

5:58 PM

I didn't keep it on the phone. Only used it to charge the phone from empty when necessary, then took it off again (was carrying a bag and kept it in there)

Bob

here it is

ebay.com.au/itm/…

@BenRichards yea, more or less

but the individual batteries were much cheaper and lasted longer

just a little annoying to switch

Ben Richards

@Bob Can't swap my battery out

Bob

I also had a portable charger that ran off AAs at one point

now i just charge off my laptop

three laptop batteries at 62 Wh each