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00:10
ah, HP, with your frustrating laptop designs that make it nearly impossible to get the battery out one-handed...
lol
@Psycogeek: I heard the exact same arguement you make about cars
old care were simpler, and 'sturdier'. New cars are complex, hard to fix, and not built like a shit brickhouse. They are more efficient, and you're more likely to survive a crash.
00:43
@JourneymanGeek the last point is disputable -- a new car in a wreck with an old car is a very bad sight to behold
a steel frame car hitting an aluminum/plastic/cotton/whatever they use these days for cars... the steel frame will bend and the other will crumple like a soda can, letting the passengers absorb the impact
two small, new cars wrecking are relatively safe because of much lower mass, but you don't want to be hit by a 1980 Chevy Caprice in your new car
 
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02:53
Just realized that my Vbox install is 2 years old :D
Oh great the new VBox version does not install because of the driver issue with Windows 7
03:15
great now USB drivers are being recognized by Windows 7 -_-
that is how I feel
03:30
lol'
03:49
fffff
04:16
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Q: I get "Not enough storage is available to process this command" whenever I install a driver

HackToHellIf I try to install any driver(I tried Vmware, Virtualbox and my webcam driver) I get the error Not enough storage is available to process this command I tried increasing the IRPStackize as specified here, however that KB is about transferring files from a server to client and this is ab...

04:33
@JourneymanGeek Back again, sorry about that customer showed up, Plus i had to boot to XP to do thier thing. Weird thing about new cars is they truely are more reliable, even though they are plastic and computerised. Either that or they just dont last long enough to break down, like the old ones did after 25 years of operation.
merely 15 years ago during a california commute the shoulder of the freeway would be (overstated) littered with cars broken down with one problem or another. now either everyone has AAA , or they are way more reliable. (the goverment does have a free program in some areas to tow your butt off the freeway, but only in some areas)
@Psycogeek: New cars may be. Old cars are in theory easier to fix ;p
and we're talking perception here
there's a perception old cars are tougher (debatable), more reliable (debatable)....
04:49
Oh to fix :-) yes i used to be able to fix a car. Now there is a lot of extra stuff, but if i dont get scared of it, it still is usually something simple that goes wrong. And if the computers fail, they seem to just replace the whole thing.
the whole computer, not the whole car :-)
precisely
The Windows OS (to me) is a little like all the smog stuff, the extra 13 sencors and other junk added, but still when something goes wrong the computers diagnostics do not always identify the problem correct (because something is wrong). Get under the hood, and start Tossing out stuff left and right, get down to the base engine, where its simpler , familiar, and little left that can go wrong.
on the other hand, those sensors, smog stuff and junk makes it run better when it actually does work
and a good amount of love for the 'simpler' stuff is nostalgia
05:05
2 of My (older) cars that have all that computerised stuff for setting the fuel mix, get it all wrong , probably because of my (good) driving habits. If I reset the computer I get about 1/5th better gas mileage, untill it "learns" again. They have improved since then.
Really would a Single knob on the dash that allowed for fuel mix control, Plus the user knowing about 5minutes worth of information, be "better" than 13 layers of a machine guessing and hoping :-)
that /impact/ page of tldr.io is addictive.
The national goverment lab here has spent some 2billion dollers in the "Combustion research facility" to get perfect fuel mix and ignition down to .005% accuracy. Then points out that your average line-manufactured car, might be within 10% or so. I say gimme the 2billion 5 minutes of instruction, and a Knob :-)
California is all about progress though. they have cars that will go 140MPH with 45MPG. but during a normal commute a Model-T 5HP engine and a constant 20-25mph speed would get you through the heavy commute traffic just as fast.
05:54
Holy Crap, my ntfs meta file is 271 Mb
That's why I am running low on ram :D
mine is 95meg at this moment, right after boot, minimal things running. What is that thing for?
Stores the NTFS index file
more file = more space used by the cache
And I am having a high cache fault/second count, time to buy more ram :D
06:09
Index as in the search Index? (because usually i have indexing off)
Perfmonitor is awesome
well you know what they say about that (whos they) The system is "fault Based" it is like that cho cho train you had as a kid, bumps into the wall backs up and bumps into the next wall :-)
> Metafile: Metafile is part of the system cache and consists of NTFS metadata. NTFS metadata includes the MFT as well as the other various NTFS metadata files (see How NTFS Works for more details, and of course Windows Internals is a great reference). In the MFT each file attribute record takes 1k and each file has at least one attribute record. Add to this the other NTFS metadata files and you can see why the Metafile category can grow quite large on servers with lots of files.
Well some of that I get, the part i dont get is what is this thing hanging out in ram?
The MFT contains the location of all files and it's prolly cached in the RAM
I think the serverfault folk will know about this
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Q: Windows Server 2008 R2 Metafile RAM Usage

al2k4I have a server which runs Windows Server 2008 R2 x64 with 4GB of RAM which hosts around 2-3 million files, the majority of which are image files. Over a course of a week, I have noticed that applications on the server were slowing to a crawl due to excessive paging to the disk due to low memory...

Atleast the whole mft is not loaded onto the ram ;p
06:18
As many disks as I got putting all the MFTs in ram cache? Ahh because the server with 2million files ends up with a very large MFT. cause the files of a small size are stored IN the mft.
Interesting, something I didnt even bother to recognise before because that pink section is always a very small part of the whole.
I am running 8g now, and windows just chews it all up for the cache thing, then has (slight) balking and slowing down as it has to clear the cache while trying to simeltaniously allocate the memory to something else.
Which wouldnt be a problem, if the programs that I need cache for most, didnt use some read method that avoids using it (or it just sucks:-)
Better having the program define it's own caching methods than allow Windows to do it
And I am not sure if the standby ram of meta file can be given to other applications
Seemingly standby ram can be allocated to other programs but it's best if it's not
In the end I need MOAR RAM !
I am on the edge of testing windows "dynamic cache service" thing to see if controlling cache using that method would be useful. I got away with the way it works so far with only the minor slowdowns. Hide Eyes dont look :-)
lol, I too have downloaded it, too scared to run it :P
And it's for servers
add that some say it doesnt work on win7 64 , plus one more POS running, Plus i think it just keeps doing a "bump back" Which is just more of the same?
It bloody pointless installing it on a Win 7 computer :D
06:36
Probably, but what did they fix? I THOUGHT i saw a change after some winders updates in the cache behaviour. But i have still seen it take everything, and slowly releace it, when i fire up a program that sucks up data and puts it into ram, like audio editor.
I have read both of them blogs, (earlier and without much interest) i dont recall them saying it is all fixed now you can go home and play :-)
Well they improved some algorithms :D
Deallocation chunk size would have fixed some of what i observed. Instead of tossing out things one by one, just Blast out a gig clear , and get on with it.
Note: i am never going to say it technically accurate.
then they got all complicated, and started talking about dirty pages, and page-pools and then my head explodes, and I remember back when Ram was Ram, and you just frilling ran out of it, and bought more :-)
Instead one programmer shoves 15 different types of things into it, has to manage all 15, then works hard to convince me its now "faster" :-) While the other programmer bypasses it and says , thats the only way its gonna work with these types of files.
06:52
LOL
man thats why i always give my girlfriend the "better" sandwitch, save a lot of trouble
lol
nooo ram prices have doubled :(
Just when I am about to buy ram the price increases >.<
comodity
yeah, basically most of the ram production went into mobile devices
07:07
glue your own chips and save money :-)
g..glue ?
@HackToHell: almost makes me regret not maxing out my ram
RAM prices were fine a month ago, I was too lazy to order one .....
weeps
You can always wait when making a board assembly to add ram later, . . . of some completly different brand now that doesnt match, because what you bought they dont even sell.
wow, a 4gb ddr3 ram was only 17.50$ last year now it's 40$ :(
07:15
I paid $300 for 4 gig of super fast ecc only a few years ago, quit yr whining
Why the hell do you use ecc ram ? o_0
are the 8 gig sticks still Way higher priced than the 4?
Tyan server board wanted ECC, and i also wanted to see what it was about.
8 gb ram costs 2x 4gb ram
It was rediculously higher to get a 8gig chunk back when the sandy bridge stuff was comming out.
ECC rams are really over priced, all that is extra is a single chip
07:23
ECC is costly cause its more complicated
also, belongs in servers
the tyan i had was a server type board. only board that had all the cpus and features of raid and busses and everything, before they started stuffing all that an more into all the good consumer boards. I still wonder about the 2 (seperate) cpu caches in 2 seperate cpus, vrses the "shared" caches with the multi core stuff.
@HackToHell the processor is a 'single chip' too #justsaying.
@HackToHell: and better testing, better guarantee, cause its enterprise grade, possibly better binned chips...
one of the reason DDR3 was so cheap was so much of it was being produced
contrast that with rdram en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAM
07:46
@Sathya fine that was a stupid statement :P >.<
My 2 gb RAM stick is here ! \o/
Wow, I just had to convince a web hoster that it'd be a good idea to upgrade our account to a non-ancient PHP version.
lol
"But it still works!*" (* for certain values of works that look a lot like a sieve)
Yeah.
I mean 5.2, seriously?
That shit was released in 2006.
07:53
are they still using RH 5? ;p
almost said 3, but thats too old even for that
I don't even know what runs on this server. We just have a Plesk and FTP, that's it.
wouldn't phpinfo tell you?
True, I looked at it but I didn't want to look any further after I saw the PHP version.
lol
Show his eyes, and pain his heart?
or doth I misquote shakesphere?
lol
anyway, shower
07:59
Now only 3gb of ram is usable out 4 gigs of ram -_-
lol
go 64? ;p
Linux and Win8 is 64, migrating 7 to 64 bit is no easy task :P
Mods, etc.
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A: How do we grow the Server Fault and Super User communities?

Matt WMy only experience with SuperUser was very negative (with overzealous moderators), I will likely not return, I can only imagine other users have had similar experiences. After finding a problem similar to my own, I tried to add some more information of the environments that the same issue was oc...

@tombull89 posting "Similar problem here, but I'm not sure if the issue is the same." as an answer & wonders why his post was deleted. ok
@Sathya ಠ_ಠ
08:13
@Sathya: We posted a comment at the exact same time. raises hand
@TomWijsman hi-5
@Sathya holy bajesus.
How'd he edit it after it was deleted?
... whoa...
@tombull89 You can edit deleted posts.
At least your own, not sure about others.
tempted to do this :P
08:20
@tombull89 what @TomW said. Thanks for the heads-up, btw
@HackToHell DAT GREEN
@tombull89 THOSE SINFUL ADS
@TomWijsman yeah, just notice those. eep.
what ads?
@JourneymanGeek Scroll down. :D
08:22
oops didn't see
@TomWijsman: oh, used my spare web browser and yeah
Can someone remove that link :P ?
So, you're tempted to click the ads?
flagged ;p
08:24
@HackToHell: How is this different from PAE?
... that dosen't work the way I thought it did
Could have just let Sathya deal with it...
@ManishEarth: oops
yeah, I know.
@ManishEarth: did an oopsie ._.
@TomWijsman It simply extends PAE limit of 4 gb
Not bothered to read through the whole page, it feels like information based on misinformation.
08:25
my fault entirely
@JourneymanGeek YOU HAVE INCURRED THE WRATH OF A MODERATOR PLEASE STAND BY AND WATCH YOURSELF BURN
@JourneymanGeek np :)
@JourneymanGeek for that, you get a kick
:P
@HackToHell No, PAE allows more than 4 GB by itself.
(j/k)
did I just get kicked twice?
COOL
I did once :p
lunch time, back later
@TomWijsman ooh nice
I missed the kicks. :(
@JourneymanGeek It's real fun :D
@TomWijsman Watch carefully
(Sorry @JourneymanGeek)
tis ok. I didn't even know that could be done ;p
Mod Abuse!!!11one!1!!11!
08:28
@TomWijsman According to that article PAE is enable by default in 7 however it reports only 3gb usable
@JourneymanGeek Still better than being muted.
clears throat
@studiohack kicked me once :D
@JourneymanGeek If I'm not wrong, room owners can do it as well
08:28
click on a non-mod gravatar
Room owners are way too limited afaik.
@JourneymanGeek: Try kicking me, I dare you!
@TomWijsman muting is individual, so that's not really an issue
@ManishEarth No different from how kicking is individual, I'm not talking about ignoring an user.
nope, don't see it
If a user is the sort that needs something worse that a kick (which is a friendly way of saying "Get out! You can come back in, but I'd prefer it if you didn't"), just mod flag and we can apply suspension or warn or something. There's no big need for a mute feature
08:30
yup
@TomWijsman How do you mute someone? Suspension?
You can't really manage your own room on chat.SE without call in moderators on serious issues.
(heck, I can't think of too many reasons to kick someone)
@TomWijsman: being able to delete stuff would be VERY useful
@ManishEarth I'm not a mod, you tell me. Think it may be suspension... You can still read chat but just not type anything to it. :D
@TomWijsman there are 300 mods, with at least 150 who use chat, 30 in TL at any given time, and at least 5 watching chat. I think that shouldn't be much of a problem
08:31
@JourneymanGeek You can move it to a gallery room if you want to.
Besides, room owners can throw a room into timeout if they want
@JourneymanGeek can you move to Trashcan?
THAT I can do
@TomWijsman yeah, suspension
08:32
@JourneymanGeek no, the sekrit Trashcan
@ManishEarth Yeah, that's fun too. :D
nope, don't see the option for that
afk, dog finally decided to get out of bed, and I need to park him
@JourneymanGeek it's a room
@ManishEarth It used to be public. :(
But it seems to be used more widely now and can contain confidential information, so guess that's why it was made sekrit.
@TomWijsman Even after enabling PAE only 3gb of ram is mapped
08:33
@TomWijsman you can create your own, and we can just transfer stuff out of there to the private one
@TomWijsman yeah
Let's log all the chat rooms!!!111oneoneone
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A: How can I enable PAE on Windows 7 (32-bit) to support more than 3.5 GB of RAM?

BreakthroughA few years ago, a group of programmers have released a kernel patch for Windows 7 to allow the usage of more than 4 GB of RAM under Windows 7. Recently, due to some virus scanners detecting the patch as a false positive, the download was removed from the website. Fortunately, I have saved a cop...

There, I started Wireshark, no longer sekrit. :D
@TomWijsman I'm in 20 rooms right now
@ManishEarth Clicks join favorite rooms. I'm in 24 rooms right now.
08:36
@TomWijsman ah lol
Perhaps I should clean that list up.
Shog and TimStone never leave rooms
No idea if just being in a single room tab actually obtains the messages in all other rooms.
Because there is the thing at the side bar, but I have no idea how often that updates.
Feels like every message.
@TomWijsman it does
every message
Chat.SE is quiet at the moment then.
08:46
@ManishEarth: Can't move, can't kick. I can read deleted messages tho
@JourneymanGeek interesting
09:02
anyone here?
09:19
Can anyone export this key from Windows 7 for me ? Thanks !
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\PlugPlay
 
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10:23
The German Train company just informed me that they're now using 100% ecologically produced electricity
They sent me that information via snail mail...
hmm my issue with driver installations seems to be a bigger problem than I thought
10:40
@JourneymanGeek :D
The dash wallet...
I'm actually impressed about what a big lump of plastic I'm carrying around :D
@Bob Would you mind if I incorporate your library suggestion into my answer? I'm a bit surprised that you haven't made it into an answer yet :D
You should probably make it into an answer though ;P
11:03
Hi, can someone please improve my answer to this question?
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Q: How to install newest dovecot stable when ubuntu repository is old?

BakThis is a bit of a dumb question, but how do I install the newest stable of dovecot on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS server? I'm still a bit new to ubuntu and linux in general. The newest stable is v2.2.1, but in the ubuntu repository it's only v2.0.19. The backports repository is only at v2.1.7-2. I would ...

@ruda.almeida: no, there's not much to fix ;p
you shouldn't need pinning unless you wanted an older version though, right?
@JourneymanGeek But I can't stop the feeling I've said something wrong.
hmm
mixing debian packages into ubuntu is bad...
Also, I don't know what to answer to the guy's comment
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg Sure :P
I don't think it's really enough to be an answer on its own; it'd be mostly reiterating yours
11:06
done.
@ruda.almeida Looks fine to me
@OliverSalzburg How do you link to a comment?
copy the link at the time
If I added ../stable-auto/dovecot-2.2 to my repo list, what happens if dovecot-3.0 comes out? Will I have to manually remove dovecot-2.2 and add the dovecot-3.0 repo to get updates? I'm guessing currently apt-get will pull any updates that are in v2.2.x? — Bak 20 hours ago
like so
@ruda.almeida Copy the timestamp
so "copy link" at "20 hours ago"
11:08
Hm, mine didn't get the fancy quote effect =(
@ruda.almeida That only happens if it's oneboxed. As in, alone on a single line
Oh, like this:
Additionally, even if this worked you'd be missing items from the "all users" desktop. Perhaps some sort of union filesystem? I'm not sure if that's possible in Windows. Hmm... perhaps a Library. — Bob yesterday
Even cooler!
Well, I *really* should be leaving! I have CCNA classes every tuesday and thursday, besides that today is the introductory class my team is giving on basic security information and they haven't sent me the text material yet. +_+"

Thanks god I'll be only managing the lessons and answers on moodle.
Bob
Bob
11:23
@allquixotic HP has that for my laptop. Half the part numbers are incorrect.
@ruda.almeida Urgh. Moodle.
11:47
0
Q: Show Windows 8 Taskbar with Touch Screen

SeanI have been searching for an answer for this for a while and have not found anything. On Windows 8 with a touch screen, I have the task bar set to autohide (something I've preferred in Windows forever). With a touch screen, I can't seem to figure out how to get to the taskbar when it autohides. ...

Wow
"I'm using this feature that totally doesn't make any sense with my setup, but I've always used it"
Response: "BLAME MICROSOFT!"
Bob
Bob
@OliverSalzburg That is all too often the default response.
Indeed :\
12:03
> Editor is too silly to see a better way to communicate his issue - @jou
:-D :-D
12:24
Well, almost didn't see this coming somehow, community.skype.com/t5/Live-Messenger/…
Wish I knew a bit about code, would love to dissect that software to see what it does
@Bob @Hennes @JourneymanGeek looks like somebody had a similar idea to the one I had, but knew enough to do it themselves
Windows is annoying it simply show up a Error 8 (ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY) without specifying any more details @_@
!!!  dvi: Unable to open file queue
!!!  dvi: Failed copying driver files (00000008)
!!!  dvi: Error 8: Not enough storage is available to process this command.
!!!  dvi: Default installer: failed!
And this makes no sense
What version of windows
7
Tempted to ask about this in serverfault chat but they bite :/
12:50
we're not that bad :P
What's the issue?
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Q: I get "Not enough storage is available to process this command" whenever I install a driver

HackToHellIf I try to install any driver(I tried Vmware, Virtualbox and my webcam driver) I get the error Not enough storage is available to process this command I tried increasing the IRPStackize as specified here, however that KB is about transferring files from a server to client and this is ab...

And I think the issue is really complicated because svchost.exe is constantly using more than 50 percentage of my resources
@HackToHell Did you procmon it yet?
@OliverSalzburg yes, does not yield anything useful
Bob
Bob
my laptop apparently does sleepncharge
it's not advertised anywhere
but it does work if I just plug something in o.O
@HackToHell check the device setup logs
a wealth of information there
Opens a couple of registry keys that seem fine and then suddenly it dies :/
@Bob which one, setupai.dev.log or the other one
Bob
Bob
12:56
last time I had driver installation issues, the logs gave the eact thing it failed doing
@HackToHell I think it was that one -_-
@Bob pastebin.com/s2D4kH5y the complete log
the excerpt in my post is from that
And i also have the procmon data :P
So, is this in a VM?
no, in my system
I am trying to install a VM driver :D
Also no driver installs
Okay
So, about that service host. Which services is it hosting?
Bob
Bob
hm. permissions issue?
     ndv:           {Core Device Install} 10:27:11.956
     inf:                Opened PNF: 'C:\windows\INF\oem59.inf' ([strings])
     dvi:                {DIF_ALLOW_INSTALL} 10:27:11.980
     dvi:                     I
     dvi:                     Using exported function 'CriticalDeviceCoInstaller' in module 'C:\windows\system32\SysClass.Dll'.
     dvi:                     CoInstaller 1 == SysClass.Dll,CriticalDeviceCoInstaller
     dvi:                     CoInstaller 1: Enter 10:27:11.996
     dvi:                     CoInstaller 1: Exit
13:01
@OliverSalzburg one sec
Would be off-topic on SF. Interesting question though.
Bob
Bob
I'm not entirely sure how to read that :P
@Bob I didn't understand that part
:P
greenshot's upload to imgur takes forever -_-
Bob
Bob
take a look at that inf? see what it's actually trying to do?
@HackToHell Clear your Imgur upload history in Greenshot ;D
13:03
@OliverSalzburg ok :)
Bob
Bob
@HackToHell that's oem59.inf?
@Bob yes, it's part of vmware
And that's the services that the rogue svchost hosts
This issue is spinning out of control :/
And that rogue svchost is throwing 44pc of all events in procmon
Meh, why can't I answer faster than every 60 seconds. :(
@HackToHell What kind of events are they?
13:11
Interesting, it's opening up all the inf files
and then this
C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\infpub.dat
And it's opening reg entries related to those inf @_@
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control*
like that ^^
brb thunder storn :D
Well, if the hardware detection service runs in that host and you're having some sort of driver installation issue...
ʞɔnɟ my Ubuntu desktop just froze while upgrading to raring :(
Well, gnome did anyway
13:44
@OliverSalzburg if dpkg/apt is still running in the background, let it keep going :D
@allquixotic I saw no disk activity and rebooted. Then I ran the software updater and it completed the upgrade :)
@OliverSalzburg nice
I'm seriously getting pissed off about 1px wide/high splitter controls
Who implements that and is happy with the result?

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