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2:01 PM
There's a Dresden Files addon for Fiasco that looks amusing.
 
@Eric ooh fiasco is on sale? I'll have to pick that up
 
@BESW It sure does. Harry Dresden is the thing that really goes wrong.
 
@Magician That sentence needs no context to be true.
 
@waxeagle 25% off, no idea if it's an offer that cannot be refused :)
 
@Eric not sure, can't get to drivethru from here :(
and they don't have a mobile app yet
 
2:07 PM
It's $9, down from $12
 
@Eric cool :). Will have to remind myself to check it out later
 
@Lord_Gareth Welcome back, O Ebullient One.
 
@Eric - Are you still having Rake issues?
Heya @BESW
 
@Lord_Gareth :-D No, they have subsided.
 
@Eric - Oh good. Rake is one of those things where they took a single word and made it mean a crapton of different things
And it is way too early in the morning to launch into the nitty-gritty of 3.X's inconsistent bonus-attack grants
I mean, hell, Arcadian Avengers have a rake! They do it with swords!
 
2:12 PM
That's odd...
As it specifically mentions claws in the MM, right?
 
@Lord_Gareth [face/palm] Tell me that's not a T-shirt or bumper sticker. Lie if you have to.
 
Mmm, but the rule is that specific trumps general, @Eric
The glossary is a specific definition
And there the Avengers sit, with a specific sword-rake
AFK
 
@Lord_Gareth True.
 
@BESW nah, we reserve bumperstickers for things like "minions do it with one hit point"
 
So yeah @Eric, rakes are not consistent. It helps if you consider "rake" as a category of bonus attack that has a specific trigger that provides either access to the rake or causes the rake to happen whether the creature wants it to or not.
 
2:22 PM
Aw, man, this poor guy.
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A: Why does everyone carry a 10' pole?

RobocostieOMG I love this thread. The pole I think represents a reminder that this is a game and it is not only OK to be unrealistic and silly sometimes but we are expected to be. As another said above - a Gygaxism.

 
Arcadian Avengers are in the latter category
Some creatures, though I cannot remember which, are in the former category where Rake ends up being a special weapon they can use in [Circumstance]
And the only way to tell the difference is to read each entry closely.
Because WotC hates you.
Now I log off so that my wife can read her campaign notes!
 
@Lord_Gareth I think it also helps to differentiatie between Rake (the Ex ability) and rake attacks, although the material itself doens't do this consistently
Sure thing, thanks!
 
@BESW do your garden gnomes have Rake Attack? Because they should.
 
@Magician :-D
 
And with that I'll show myself out. Good night!
 
2:25 PM
nn
 
@Magician FATE doesn't really work quite like that. I gave them a power which makes their unarmed melee attacks deal extra damage and poison the target. I'm flavoring it as a venomous bite.
 
Beware...
the rules lawyers!
 
Garden Guardian
 
Yes, it's a guardian ornament. Because I'm a sucker for really bad puns when I'm doing game prep.
 
2:27 PM
@Eric We the RBA (rules bar assn) would like to be oficially renamed "Rules Solicitor" to remove the negative connotations of the word lawyer :P
 
@BESW Great for inspiration.
 
I really should make a BESW's Spoilair chat so I can talk about my campaign without forcing BenHardy to leave chat.
 
@BESW Reminds me of the Calzone Golem from the WotC adventure Something's Cooking. Random link: obsidianportal.com/campaigns/the-mercurial-grounds/characters/…
@waxeagle I'll cease and desist right away.
 
@Eric mostly joking
 
@waxeagle Me too, me too! :-)
There, bought Fiasco!
Now it's time for work.
See you later
 
3:24 PM
Is there any Point In awakening a Druids animal companion?
@Eric LOL i belive I fought that thing.
Best fight ever.
 
3:49 PM
@Novian There can be some point in Awakening an animal companion, but you should really talk to your DM first.
Awakening a creature turns it into a Magical Beast, which takes it off the list of acceptable Animal Companions without certain feats. If you can get your DM to houserule differently, however, awakening your Animal Companion can provide an interesting new roleplaying opportunity...and the ability for your companion to take any feat you want
Assuming it meets pre-reqs, of course
 
4:10 PM
@waxeagle was gonna throw the barb info at you to see what you think
btw, i was wrong @waxeagle, party composition is: paladin (me), rogue (scoundral), fighter (dunno the build), barbarian, psion
 
4:24 PM
@DForck42 that's gonna be an interesting party.
going to take a lot of hits
but everyone but the rogue and psion will have solid HP
 
@waxeagle yeah
 
@DForck42 my main concern would be the limited ability to get someone back up off the deck. Hopefully the psion trained heal?
 
@waxeagle no idea, haven't looked at his yet
might make that my project tonight
but the barb is basically "did i charge? no? then CHARGE!"
 
@DForck42 leader MC highly recommended at this point
 
@waxeagle for my pally?
 
4:31 PM
@DForck42 for everyone :), but no, the psion
 
@waxeagle ahh, ok
 
If (Barbarian.status != "Charge") THEN Barbarian.Charge;
 
i'll take a look at the psion tonight and create a copy, hopefulyl he'll like the copy
they did an autobuild so it's probably pretty horrible
atleast i think they did an auto build
 
@DForck42 blech
 
@waxeagle yeah
but yeah, the barb basically runs around and kills things with his executioner axe
 
4:35 PM
@DForck42 very fun :)
 
the fun part is that i snagged the magic item that allows you to charge and not provoke OAs, and it's only Level 2!
 
If (Barbarian.target != target.getStatus("Dead")) then Barbarian.Rage("Axe");
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@MadMAxJr lmao
 
EVERYTHING IS CODE.
 
@MadMAxJr CODE IS LIFE
speaking of, brian used to have an example of how he wrote out what his character would do in battle depending on different situations
kind of like abig nexted iif statement
wonder where that is
or maybe it was @waxeagle
 
4:42 PM
@DForck42 not me, i started on one for my fighter, but got distracted.
 
CASE (Stack("RPG").Question.Quality) { WHEN Question.Quality = "Good", Question.upvote; WHEN Question.Quality = "Bad", Question.downvote; WHEN Question.Quality ="???", Question.flag(ReasonData.toString); }
 
@MadMAxJr so you don't have the vote to close option?
 
Rob
Lo all
 
4:57 PM
@DForck42 That's an extended feature slated for next version.
 
@MadMAxJr lmao
@Rob hey rob
 
@Rob g'day
 
5:49 PM
found that from Brian
 
6:44 PM
@waxeagle yup, exactly what i was thinking of
 
@DForck42 awesome knew it was a google docs link :)
 
@waxeagle heheh
so what are you up to?
 
@DForck42 trying to figure out why .net is pitching a fit over a blank date instead of listening to what I'm telling it.
 
@waxeagle Converting to a date format?
 
@MadMAxJr nah, db call returning null and VB is throwing up all over the place, despite the fact that it's in a try/catch block that shouldn't throw an exception
 
6:58 PM
@waxeagle mmm
 
@DForck42 ah, figured it out, it's bypassing my logic because it's 'Nothing' which isn't a valid DB value
sigh
nope
well I know when it's having issue
 
lmao
 
@DForck42 fun sql null generates the date "01/01/0001" that's helpful
 
Ah, there's a flag in there somewhere for checking isDBNull
 
@MadMAxJr yep I'm about to call it :)
 
7:03 PM
I recall that same annoying issue. Nothing does not always equal Null.
 
7:50 PM
@Lord_Gareth Yep. Been party to many a discussion on it.
 
8:09 PM
data!
 
Yes, Geordi?
 
8:21 PM
@DForck42 How important/valuable do you think it is for a first-time DFRPG group to run the full setting/character creation process?
 
@BESW very
 
I'm thinking about coming in with a loosely-sketched location already in mind. Thoughts?
Like, provide the physical setting for them to flesh out with themes/threats/faces and individual locations.
 
what i did was come up with a name of a city, one or two locations, and let them flesh out the details
two of the locations i had were tied to some of the big bads/story arcs
 
I don't have a story arc yet, just a starting adventure that I can probably tie into whatever threats they give me.
 
@BESW ok, yeah jsut come up with one or two that you want and let them come up with the rest
you'll be there so you can help guide them anyway
 
8:35 PM
I want to set it in my old college neighborhood and the nearby city/countryside.
 
@BESW cool
so the presets would be the college, and maybe a college hangout?
 
Lots of different economic brackets in a small area, a tourist city with obvious Raith presence, a lot of the standard American South historical/social baggage...
 
cool, sounds like a lot of fun
yeah, i'd put a couple of places on there, maybe a theme, and then let them at it
 
I'm thinking about starting out small, focusing on the college and its immediate environs --neighborhoods, churches, graveyard, strip malls-- so they can really establish it and flesh it out.
The first adventure will start with kids in one of the nearby neighborhoods all reporting similar strange dreams, and being really freaked out.
 
i usually dont' sweat the small stuff. i plan the big things and then add the details when they ask (i improv A LOT)
 
8:42 PM
Thing is, the players are already pretty sure they know what kind of PC they want: teenage changeling and a Pure Mortal handyman.
 
cool
changelings and handymen are a lot of fun
i once made a changeling that wass a hired assassin
he was part fairy, so he was quick
part fairy, not a party fairy
 
Heh. This changeling is probably going to be a kind of twisted trickster turf defender.
I expect the campaign to be kind of like an Alphas campaign: mostly repelling the threats that come to the local area, making the place safer.
My current vision (and I'm definitely open to it changing) is that the PCs live in a neighborhood near the college, so the college is just another feature of the area: an excuse for Weird Stuff.
We'd start at a low power level, with fairly episodic "threat of the week" type adventures; attendance is going to be irregular, so long-term plots will have to be a fairly low-key background hum until they come forward for a session or two.
 
8:58 PM
sounds like fun
 
Yar. I'm itching to do more prep, but I know I shouldn't.
 
9:11 PM
Talking about prep
Do you remember that D&D encounter I was prepping ages ago? The room with the cleric where jeor or kryan suggested a silence tied to unhallow?
 
Vaguely.
 
Well, the room works as an obstacle
problem is, the cleric is useless in that room
 
Considering your decision to use her out of the box, I'm not surprised.
 
9:31 PM
Hello all
 
@JamesBroyles Hi!
 
Chat has some interesting options
 
Indeed. What catches your eye?
 
Well, right off the bat, the starred quote "If (Barbarian.target != target.getStatus("Dead")) then Barbarian.Rage("Axe"); is particularly awesome.. I like the starred quotes, and that it notifies you if someone types something like @BESW
It would be nice if it scrolled through the recent users who submitted something in the channel when you hit @ and then tab
@BESW what's your favorite RPG system?
 
@JamesBroyles I don't have a wide range of experience, but at the moment, I'm ecstatic about FATE.
The only systems I have extended experience with are D&D 3.5 and 4e. We're just starting FATE now.
 
9:46 PM
Looks interesting, I've never tried FATE or FUDGE
 
Hello new guy
 
I've also dabbled in Dogs in the Vineyard, My Life With Master, and Stargate SG-1 (d20 Modern variant), and I've read a number of other systems.
 
I got started in 2e, most of my exp is in 2e, 3+, WoD, gurps and in nominae
hello @Zachiel, sounds like an interesting encounter that you were discussing
 
Technically I have WoD experience, but I wouldn't say a single session of mage with a railroading ST, after which the game exploded and the ST became one of my D&D players, counts.
 
9:49 PM
By the way, BESW. Do you know if (I can't remember if it was Ron Edwards or Ben Leheman) has managed to introduce the word "parpuzio" in games classification?
 
yeah that sounds like not so exhaustive an experience
 
not that big of an encounter. I'm trying to play modules straight out from the book and... it's hard to be challenging
 
@Zachiel [blink] There are words in that sentence. Some of them are proper nouns and some are not. I recognize some of the non-proper-noun words, but not all of them.
 
module encounters from the books never go as planned in my games. except, ironically, 2e planescape encounters in limbo and pandemonium. i think my players just hate me
 
@JamesBroyles No plan survives first contact with the PCs. My better campaigns are designed to count on it.
 
9:53 PM
@BESW i have to agree. i can't understand why my players interact with only the basic contingencies planned for in module encounters set in chaotic planes of existence. if they're going to wander from plans anywhere, i'd think it'd be those places
i rarely do encounters from the books and boxed sets and etc anymore, though
 
Aye, I never used pre-mades until I switched to 4e suddenly and felt unsure of my footing.
So I ran a campaign of re-skinned and increasingly re-designed premades shoehorned together to create a story of my own.
 
i think 2e dark sun, 2e ravenloft, and 2e planescape are my current favorite settings. closely followed by 2e spelljammer
i'm still becoming familiar with 4e and pathfinder
 
is 4e a setting? XD
 
My current group preferred 4e over 3.5 by a mile, but the 4e experience is much more mechanically focused than 3.5 --so if it's not the experience you want, it won't make for a happy game.
@Zachiel 4e is D&D Fourth Edition. It contains settings, but '4e' refers to the mechanical system.
 
well thats more me butchering good grammar than anything, lol. no, 4e isn't a setting but does imply a basic campaign world as a setting
 
9:57 PM
I was ironic @BESW
 
I accidentally. fun times
 
I really like the 4e Points of Light setting, because it intrinsically supports a lot of the meta-assumptions that other settings require elaborate cantilevered constructs to justify.
 
what are the main settings in 4e?
 
@BESW "parpuzio" is a made up word by an Italian guy who posted a lot on the forge (Moreno Roncucci) and is a derogatory word meant to include any system that works with the following procedure: "I ask the GM if I can do something. He answers yes, no or tells me what to do to achieve it. Whatever the results, the GM still decides himself if I get what I wanted"
Meaning that all such games are in reality a single game
 
(Also that it's explicitly self-contradictory, to both emphasize the importance of a group-customized setting AND to anticipate and re-direct the inevitable "content developer didn't read the setting bible" continuity issues.)
 
10:00 PM
@JamesBroyles 4e has Point of Light (standard), Dark Sun, Forgotten Realms and Eberron settings... and maybe others I'm not familoiar with.
 
whoa Dark Sun is still around? That's awesome, I have a lot of reading to do
 
Dark Sun skipped 3.x, but got revived in 4e --partly because its more structured mechanics allowed for limiting item availability without destroying system balance.
 
i'll search our SE for answers that compare 2e Dark Sun to 4e Dark Sun and hit the books myself, I'll be interested to see how the different races have changed, psionics, the dragons, etc. Still using ceramics as currency?
 
Can't remember. Never ran anything in it.
 
Nor have I
 
10:05 PM
thanks for the link
 
(It's called PoL because all the empires and nations have fallen to the wild races, and only little towns and a handful of city-states are struggling to hang on in the increasingly savage world: they are the only points of light in the dark wilderness.)
 
gotcha, makes sense
 
One of the big selling points of 4e is "the character is more powerful because of his class, not his equipment". Which is better if you've ever had problems with PCs selling hyper-equipped NPC's loots
 
This means the PCs have a lot more narrative power: they're heroes in a world without any real social structure.
Must dash, see you later.
 
Just to introduce myself a little bit more, I've been playing D&D 3.0 and 3.5, mostly in the Forgotten Realms setting. I roleplay in a sort of mass multiplayer play by chat with 3.5 rules and Planescape setting, I've tried 4e (FR again) and I have played or GMed several other games, usually convention one-shots
 
10:15 PM
see ya, BESW. thanks for the helpful advice on one of my answers.
@Zachiel cool. I used to play 2e in IRC a lot. dice rolling bots make that so much easier
the biggest group i ever tried mass multiplayer play by chat was about 30 people in IRC where only about 20 were active
 
We have worse problems, like adventure parties with widely oscillating levels; a shared word where the big problems get solved by the high level characters; PVP (sometimes) supported by "that's what my character would have done"
we're over 100
 
oh wow
i can't imagine. i know just our usual group of 12 or so actives had trouble switching reigns from GM to GM.. but "user x" played a game with just me and my friend and i gained ten levels in one night.. and users wanting to use their characters they made elsewhere but had ridiculous stats that made no sense "the DM i had when i made this character said i got blessed by a permanent plus 50 strength spell.."
sorry, clarity might be missing since i fudged the quotation marks somehow in that mess of a paragraph
"but "user x" played a game with just me and my friend and i gained ten levels in one night.." should be a quote illustrating how some IRC users would come in and fights between different GMs would erupt
i guess i'm going to jump off here, it was nice meeting you. cya! good luck corralling over a hundred chat players
 
oh ok got the quotings
cya
 
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