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1:00 PM
10 MB? what are you hosted on, a Sun server from 2002?
 
Bob
You know, I have no fucking clue.
 
you can get at least 5GB for FREE from several places: gmail, google drive, dropbox, amazon cloud drive, mp3tunes, ......
if you're paying for 10MB, whoever decided to stick with that provider needs to be taken out and .... fired :) (upon)
 
Bob
and apparently it's too much trouble to shift the domain over to a different host
like, you know, the one that offers 50GB and unlimited bandwidth for $6/month
instead of 10MB for $2000/year
:S
 
10 MB of storage is worth less than the smallest divisible fraction of currency
wait.... are you seriously paying $2000/year for 10 MB?!?!
do they provide, like, triple redundant IP failover, 100 Gbps unmetered bandwidth, and manual DDoS defense?
 
Bob
That figure might include our (ADSL!) internet connection and CMS licence/subscription and tiny 50MB mailboxes... maybe.
 
1:03 PM
if they don't provide all of those features, with a 99.99999999% SLA, you are not getting your money's worth
 
Bob
@allquixotic I want some of that manual DDoS defence :P
 
@Bob i saw a hosting provider over at webhostingtalk that actually said they manually monitor your server and null route DDoS sources, etc
 
Bob
@allquixotic I was told it was 10MB. I don't believe it.
A CMS, several photos... yea.
 
for $2000/year I can get a dedicated server with 10TB/month bandwidth, 2 x 3TB HDDs, and a sandy bridge Core i7
 
Bob
The amount of text alone could take that much space.
This is what happens when you decide to stick with one (crappy) provider for all internet related services
originally set up by the obligatory contractor, of course
 
1:07 PM
@Bob i hate your job. can you quit and hire on elsewhere so I can be happy that you're working in better conditions and getting paid more?
then again I don't have much room to talk
 
hihi
 
Bob
@allquixotic conditions and pay are quite good. I'm also rather junior. but the state of our internal network, server and internet-related services... urgh
 
I want to believe that whoever told you 10 MB has no idea of SI unit scales for bytes and they really meant 10 GB, or at least 1000 MB
 
Bob
hm
perhaps I should just set up an FTP connection and start uploading
I don't see a usage meter anywhere :\
 
Bob
1:10 PM
There's no way there's under 10MB on there right now
I was also told (by a not-so-technical person, thankfully) that our staff list couldn't accept any more biographies cause it was too long
keep in mind this is about 3 paragraphs of plain text.
the html source is rather amusing, once your eyeballs have finished melting - you can clearly see the original nice, structured framework in the first couple of lines with masses of crap added on top with MS Word tags everywhere
 
I'd love to replace some of our staff with BIOS, it'd be more productive and easier to support
 
Bob
@HaydnWVN abbreviation fail. bleh.
 
;)
 
Bob
they're great people
but.. yea
 
Wait a mo, let me have some of the limelight... I JUST GOT YEARLING BADGE WOOOHOOO! :D
 
Bob
1:14 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
 
Ok... Continue ;)
 
Bob
@HaydnWVN Damn! You beat me! :P
 
Your info above has made me think about my .co.uk i've been with the same hosting provider sine the year dot (think it was 1999) and have 10 gig bandwidth with 50mb webspace for ~£35 a year
 
Bob
:(
 
But as i don't use it for a website anymore i've kinda left it... Ended up being my general email address to use so gets full of spam...
 
Bob
1:16 PM
Next week: another push to gtfo this provider
 
lol
Its made me think, mines on easyspace... They used to be one of the big providers but they've kinda fallen by the wayside now
I had another couple of .co.uk's on a small provider a friend recommended, no webspace just domain registration... Think it's £8 each p/a
Asked the guy for some webspace on one of them, he's charging me an extra £3.50 p/a and when i asked about bandwidth and space he said "as much as you want, just nothing silly" lol :D
think mine are on mycheapdomain.co.uk
let me check
 
"just nothing silly"?
that's kind of dreamhost's policy I guess
they have "Unlimited*" storage on their shared hosting accounts, but they have inane restrictions like "you can't use it to host files"
 
apparently they're ok with you having tons of html files or whatever, but they're not ok with you having a music collection on there
 
1:26 PM
i hate when someone says "Unlimited" and then there's all kinds of loosely-worded "but..." clauses
 
i threw roady.co.uk/lambo up there to try speeds - was a track day experience in a lamborghini gallardo, lots of pics and some big videos
 
@HaydnWVN denied
now i know your name really is Haydn :P
wait, why the heck is the domain capitalized that way
it's definitely not "TiYukQuellMalz"
lol.........
I guess domaintools is guessing based on phonetics or whatever
 
Lol its no secret, comes up all sorts of places if you search for 'roady' as i've been using the nickname online for 17+ years
 
wonder how it would do experts exchange
 
Bob
@allquixotic base64 encode them :p
 
1:30 PM
@allquixotic that's always the one that i see wrong lol
 
@Bob what, as a data:// URL inside an HTML page? lmao
 
Bob
@allquixotic Oh, I almost forgot
 
IE 8+, Gecko, WebKit, and Opera support them for quite some time
could definitely use data URIs and tell Dreamhost, "Hey, I'm using HTML pages like you asked!"
 
Bob
<link href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\A<redacted>list.xml" rel="File-List" />
<link href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\A<redacted>data.thmx" rel="themeData" />
<link href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\A<redacted>mapping.xml" rel="colorSchemeMapping" />
there's a bunch more of those scattered around the page
mind you, this is a public website
 
DOS 8.1 file names.... C:... xml.... I don't know how to feel about this except to pray that you scrap this whole thing and start over
sooooooooooo bad
 
Bob
1:34 PM
@allquixotic I believe it might have been inserted by MS Word
but; the only people who would have updated this page without going through the CMS (other than me; DON'T LOOK AT ME) would have been the original contracted designers..
They used Word for web design?!
 
@Bob Looks like Word's doing... I'm still trying to eradicate some outlook signatures my predecessor made with image locations pointing at the C: drive aswell as the alt text containing the file path including his local profile name...
 
Bob
:\
 
Needless to say he created them in Word and then copied them to Outlook rather than pasting the info into the Outlook advanced edit :/
 
@OliverSalzburg SSD price tag (actually more expensive than most SSDs of that capacity) with flash drive speeds.... awesome
looks like a one-off price gouge by a troll vendor
 
1:43 PM
@allquixotic Costs ~600€ at some German seller
The product was just announced at CES to my understanding
 
@OliverSalzburg ah, yes -- it was indeed just announced -- so how is that vendor even selling it?!
also, lol, they have a 1TB size too. I wonder how much more expensive the 1TB one is if the 512GB one is $1750 USD
 
@allquixotic The 1TB is not out yet though
 
@OliverSalzburg yeah but it'll probably be $4000
something that small worth $4000 is just begging to be stolen if you leave it in your computer and get up to get a cup of coffee
thieves will memorize the appearance of the device and swipe it from your briefcase in the train station, etc
 
They're HUGE lol
 
@HaydnWVN oh... it's big? I thought it was normal flash drive sized
so is it really just a slow SSD? :P
 
1:46 PM
yeah lol
@allquixotic look on the image above, the left side has the rectangular slot the USB plug comes out of
 
@allquixotic We're thinking of using it as backup media to take off-site
 
@OliverSalzburg TRWTF is that you're thinking of using it at all
buy a 3TB external HDD (4TB available also) for $150 - $200 USD and be happy
 
@allquixotic Yeah, it'll take forever to fill
 
unless you intend to use it while free-falling out of an airplane, you really don't have to worry about HDDs and movement or impact
 
We're considered payloads of around 500 GB
 
1:49 PM
@allquixotic I can remember looking at flash cards many moons ago when i had one of the first MP3 players (a Rio PMP 300 i think?!), it had 32mb (yes, MB) of onboard memory... In Birmingham (large UK city) a shop had flash cards of upto 256mb in size sat on shelves in the same size plastic packaging as these days, but with 4 figure prices (£1000+)
 
@HaydnWVN i remember those days too
 
@allquixotic Needless to say i never got one, just encoded my albums at low bitrates to fit 1 on the device ;)
 
of course, i once toured a government campus (NASA) and they showed me one of the mothballed datacenters
it was a datacenter that had about eighty washing machine-sized gigantic hard drives (and I mean HARD DRIVE, not like we use now with micro-everything) and the total capacity of the facility was 180 MB
even that 32 MB flash card would be amazing to the people who built that
 
hahaha yeah, amazing how things change
 
let alone a 64GB microSD card like I have in my phone
 
1:52 PM
i've got an old epsom digital camera aswell, 12mb of storage, it's bigger than my DSLR i have now!
Took 4 AA batteries and drained them long before you could take the ~20 photos it took to fill the memory
 
the change from using a room the size of a grocery store for 180 MB of data storage, to 64 GB in the size of a thumbnail, is the equivalent of compressing yourself into a black hole (where you'd be about a square nanoliter in volume)
 
Bob
@allquixotic What is a gigabyte?
 
@Bob what do you mean...?
 
@OliverSalzburg Great comparison and pic!
 
1:55 PM
@OliverSalzburg woulda been cooler with a 1TB microSDZC (made up term) card from 2018, but oh well
 
@HaydnWVN The 16 MB cost like 5x as much as the 16 GB ;D
...at the time
 
Bob
@allquixotic That would be their first reaction.
Damn, it's too late at night to go digging..
 
@OliverSalzburg Easily, I can remember paying £85 for a 3.2gb thumbdrive... I bought a 16GB a few months back for £4
 
Bob
I'm pretty sure I still have an 8MB card that came with a video camera
 
1:57 PM
(3.2gb not 32!)
 
Bob
It could hold about 10 photos, or 3 seconds of video
The camera's primary medium was one of those miniDV tapes
 
does anyone wonder if Moore's Law is some kind of industry trick to ensure a continued revenue stream, and that in reality they've known how to make the "end product" (the eventual physical limit of microelectronics) all along?
it seems mighty convenient that they're able to increase transistor density by 1.5x - 2x every 18 months or so, as if research is done at almost a predictable pace
but if you can predict the amount of time it takes to do research, can't you just skip a bunch of generations and go to the end?
like I wonder if in 1999 Intel could have created a processor like Ivy Bridge if they put their mind to it
or did they lack novel research - yet undiscovered concepts that prevented them from doing so?
there was an episode of Star Trek: Voyager where someone traveled back in time to the 90s on earth and used their knowledge from the future to do exactly that: they had the whole "baby stepping" plan laid out in secret, but they released successively improving generations of the product in public and got people to pay a premium for them
 
Bob
@allquixotic Head on over to godlikeproductions.com
ok
I'm actually going to sleep
night
 
2:15 PM
@Bob congratulations. goodnight!
 
2:38 PM
Woo, FF 18 installed :D
hmm; FF 18 works pretty well overall but I get much better performance (and ease) if I disable smooth scrolling
it isn't really smooth at all, it just divides the updates into more chunks which puts more load on the graphics driver
 
3:14 PM
Does Windows 7 reduce overall performance to 5% when it's not activated over a long time?
Because this VM sure as hell feels like it
 
@OliverSalzburg what do you mean not activated?
like, idle?
it might be some kind of memory leak, either in Windows itself or in the VM hypervisor or guest drivers.
 
@allquixotic I have never put in a serial
 
so it's not activated? @OliverSalzburg
 
@allquixotic Correct
 
unlike earlier versions of Windows (xD), I've had excellent success with the stability and continued performance of Windows 7....
even my pathetic low-end Sandy Bridge system with 4GB of RAM at work can sustain uptimes in excess of one month with many program launches and terminations and long periods of idle (sometimes a 3-day or 4-day weekend if I'm on vacation) and it's fine
 
3:18 PM
@allquixotic So have I. But all the installations I usually use are properly activated
 
oh, I see
you said "activated" above and I thought you meant "idle"... but you meant that it hasn't been activated with the windows product activation
 
Whenever I spin up this VM, it takes 30 minutes to boot + install updates
@allquixotic Right
This VM is so useless...
I'm just going to use my laptop as a guinea pig
 
that's a very interesting question, but I wouldn't immediately pin it on product activation... it would be most odd indeed if Microsoft gave you a performance penalty for not activating... I think if you go to the extreme and simply refuse to activate forever, won' t it refuse to let you login?
it's probably due to VM image fragmentation or something like that.
 
@allquixotic To my understanding, it logs you out after a while. But I never let the VM run for extended periods of time
 
never attribute to malice what you can attribute to (stupidity/inefficiency/etc)
 
3:21 PM
@allquixotic Heheh
But this is basically a fresh install. I just start it up sometimes to try some stuff I don't want to try on my system. But the VM is mostly blank
Let's see, I just ran slmgr -rearm
Maybe speed is much better now ;D
 
0
Q: Does Windows Impose a Performance Penalty For Not Activating Windows With a Product Key?

allquixoticDoes Windows 7 impose a performance penalty for not activating Windows with a Product Key? Let's say you have a very old installation of Windows 7 that has not been activated. The number of days they give you to activate is long expired. You've already used up your free slmgr rearms. Basically, ...

Feel free to answer if you empirically discover any info
 
5
Q: Windows 7 activation period

SoftwareGeekI have had Windows 7 Ultimate installed for about two weeks, with a couple more weeks left to activate. What happens after the trial period has ended without activation?

I'll keep an eye on your question just to be sure though ;D
 
that Q doesn't specifically address the performance aspect, but perhaps the absence of mention of performance in the Microsoft KB article could be used as a definitive answer
my intuition is that they are not limiting your performance but I asked the question in order to get a better supported answer.
 
@allquixotic Yeah, I agree
 
3:40 PM
Ok, GoToAssist is really pissing me off today. Forums are broken and its Windows 8 support is entirely broken.
Oh nice, I crashed their computer again. Some how it's hosing up the graphics drivers and causing stuff to freeze when I drag windows around, which is necessary since I can only see a 3rd of the screen. =D Glad they were ready for Windows 8: blog.gotoassist.com/2012/10/30/windows8
 
4:11 PM
is SU a place I can ask about long term storage of a desktop pc and other hardware?
 
35
Q: How to store and preserve lots of data?

SquallI have many DVDs with movies and games, they are getting old and dusty, some of them are damaged. And I have more than 300 GB of general files in my PC. I want to store and preserve all of my data and keep them for a long long time. I want to know what is the best and more reliable storage media...

6
Q: How much time until an unused hard drive loses its data?

AlexDo you guys know how much time needs to pass until the data stored on a hard drive starts to degrade? To keep the data intact for long periods of time, I heard you need to periodically rewrite it on the hard drive, like every 5 years or so. Is it true?

8
Q: What medium should be used for long term, high volume, data storage (archival)?

user606723This question was inspired by How to store and preserve lots of data? There have been another similar questions, but none with this type of criteria. This is two questions in one. How do you store financial/critical records that should survive anything but a fire and should be available for de...

@KDEx Anything like those?
We have a few more similar ones IIRC ;D
 
 
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@allquixotic Yeah, I got it from that Slashdot article ;D
 
@OliverSalzburg I usually only read slashdot's "yesterday's news" that gets sent to my email midday (around lunchtime) every day, which is why I just saw it
I don't actually visit slashdot.org itself, I just click on interesting articles in the email summary
 
@allquixotic I only read their RSS in Thunderbird :D
 
RSS pfft :D
RSS is one of those things that makes me go "why.................."
yo dawg, we herd u like text so we got u an RSS reader so yo can read while yo read
 
It allows me to easily keep track of new content
I have about 50 subscriptions. When something new is posted on one of those sites, it appears in my inbox
Seems like a straight-forward approach
 
5:23 PM
so it's a blog->email converter?
 
@allquixotic No, Thunderbird is also an RSS reader
 
I know, but it's essentially "email" because it shows up in your mail client
as far as the UX
 
oh well, i can't use it because i can't get out to the net at work on ports other than 80 and 443 :P
can't use it for gmail anyway
 
@allquixotic I hate setups like that
From my personal computing point of view :D
 
5:33 PM
My router disconnects itself from ISP modem because it detects block attempt from certain IPs:
As soon as I start playing back YouTube video it does that. It never happened before though. 0.o
 
"Correlation does not imply causation" is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that a correlation between two variables does not necessarily imply that one causes the other. Many statistical tests calculate correlation between variables. A few go further and calculate the likelihood of a true causal relationship; examples are the Granger causality test and convergent cross mapping. The opposite assumption, that correlation proves causation, is one of several questionable cause logical fallacies by which two events that occur together are taken to have a cause-and-effect r...
 
@OliverSalzburg So this is not enough to prove anything?
 
@Boris_yo Maybe it is, maybe it isn't ;)
It's always the same IP address in that screenshot btw
 
@OliverSalzburg Same? There are 2 at least.
Can it be because I don't have virtual server?
 
@Boris_yo Oh, sorry, I got mixed up ;D
I was looking at your IP ;P
 
5:38 PM
@OliverSalzburg I don't hack anyone. Maybe your brain ATM though...
 
@Boris_yo Oli has an ATM in his brain? O_O
 
Those log messages are weird though...
 
Why would someone connect from port 80 to port 55000?
 
@allquixotic :) Heheh, I meant "at the moment" hehehe...
 
5:39 PM
@OliverSalzburg the UI may be wrong, or maybe it's viewing it from the receiving end perspective
usually the source port is a randomly-chosen high number (>32000)
 
@allquixotic Right, that's why the log messages confused me
 
hi
can anyone suggest me a chat room for android devices related
 
@Boris_yo Nothing "from the outside" should cause your router to reinitialize its IP configuration. If that is the case, then it's a serious issue IMO.

 Android Enthusiasts

Welcome to the main chat room for android.stackexchange.com! H...
 
@JitendraVyas you can use this chat, or a less active room is the one Oli referenced
I'll talk about android and i'm sure a few others here would; it's not really off topic at all
 
I need help to unlock android device
 
5:44 PM
uh, you mean root it?
 
no
i gave an android gift to my relative who doesn't have internet
i downloaded some games and apps on it and gave it
and i setpued the patterlock
my cousin called me today that tablet is not working because it's locked
he tried to unlock pattern 3 times
there is no internet.
any way to unlock it without internet?
 
no, pattern unlock
 
How is that a tablet?
 
@OliverSalzburg yes tablet
 
5
Q: Cannot unlock tablet as have no internet connection?

Liam WI have an Arnova GBook, which is running Android 4.0.3 (or something like that). My little brother decided to try and guess my lock screen pattern the other day, and ended up locking me out. I have since been unable to log back in to the tablet using my Google Account details. I provided the c...

 
5:46 PM
do you actually need the internet to unlock a pattern lock? O_O
 
@allquixotic No, but you need internet if you entered the wrong pattern several times
22
Q: Recovering from forgotten lock pattern

Melissa BrayMy son has an impression tablet 10 and has forgot the lock pattern. How can we reset it without knowing the code?

 
@OliverSalzburg It doesn't reinitialize it just release lease. No restarting though.
DafuQ? I am being attacked from AREA 51!
 
@Boris_yo Nevada is big and it says "Las Vegas" in front of it ;)
 
@Boris_yo there are plenty of things in Nevada that have absolutely nothing to do with area 51
I've been there; lots of normal people live there
 
@OliverSalzburg Maybe alien is having good time in hotel.
 
5:49 PM
@Boris_yo Well, releasing your DHCP lease is a scenario that falls into the same category for me ;D
@Boris_yo :D
 
@OliverSalzburg thanks checking both links
 
@OliverSalzburg But if I click on "Release" it does not release.
 
A router firmware that's broken? Unfathomable
 
@Boris_yo From what I can tell it only sends out DHCP discover packets.
At least, that's what it says in the log
That doesn't imply any changes to the configuration, does it?
 
@OliverSalzburg I wonder what significance source port has in modern networking protocols. Does the TCP protocol just use the source port to know how to send a message "back" to the sender, thus making it a bidirectional protocol?
original outbound message recipient reads "sender src port: 50000" and goes "oh, if I want to send a message back, I send it on that port"?
 
5:53 PM
@allquixotic I think I have a basic understanding of it, but I'm not confident enough to answer that :D
 
@OliverSalzburg both links are giving suggestions which required internet access. in my case I have no internet near to tablet
 
@allquixotic mine turtle! asplodes
 
@tombull89 Hallo! (:
 
has anyone got a link to that question where the OP wanted a machine with 40 ethernet ports, or was it deleted?
 
@tombull89 I think it was deleted, can look it up
 
5:54 PM
@OliverSalzburg also makes me wonder the significance of source port for UDP since it has no concept of bidi socket
 
@allquixotic Hallo? Halloey!
Resolving to Hostnames brings: YouTube, Google
 
@Boris_yo type "mine turtle" into youtube and you'll get it... >_>
 
Apparently they want to hack me.
 
5:56 PM
also "mein turtle" (German) :D
 
@Sathya thanks! dammit I really need to be more active so I can get to 10k.
 
@Sathya omg... 40 ethernet ports @___@ he must be using the Physical Networking Protocol (PNP), where you plug in the ethernet cable to the machine you want to route to, and access it on a static pre-determined IP address like 192.168.1.1
 
@allquixotic The source port is required so the same machine (or same IP address to be more precise) can make multiple connection to the same target IP+port
 
that way you only ever need one bookmark :D
 
@OliverSalzburg conclusion is

Since the FBI cannot bypass the screen lock, I guess you will not. Check out http://wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/fbi-android-phone-lock
 
5:58 PM
@allquixotic Will watch when I get router fixed.
 
@tombull89 cheers ;)
 
@OliverSalzburg right, that's what I figured
technically it's not necessary if each message is stateless, but if you want to have a stateful TCP socket that keeps track of messages sent and received and reacts "in context", you'd need that
technically it's not necessary if each message is stateless, but if you want to have a stateful TCP socket that keeps track of messages sent and received and reacts "in context", you'd need that
great, I'm receiving lag and message send timeouts to chat, and it's causing me to apparently double post
 
@JitendraVyas Yeah, that's the accepted answer on the question I just posted. I just remembered that avirk posted his answer later on. I have not confirmed anything, but wired.com is not a proper source for me :D (but that doesn't imply that it isn't accurate)
And "If the FBI can't do it, you can't" does not apply to everybody ;P
 
This won't work with Wifi and 3G data connection turned off. — Zak Nov 26 '12 at 19:35
which is @JitendraVyas's case
 
@allquixotic Should I disable something in stateful packet inspection?
 
6:05 PM
can we make our own chat room like this for any purpose on stackexchange?
 
@JitendraVyas If you have enough reputation, you can
 
I want to make a chat room for me and my friends of same town where I live about "Web Development"
I have created one but don't if one day stackexchange close it , I will loose all data
 
the rooms will exist if it's active
and it won't be frozen if there there's no activity for 15 days
 
@Sathya I didn't get, will the group be disabled/deleted if no activity for 15 days?
 
6:23 PM
Hey - I've been having troubles with my custom built PC lately. The main symptom is that on occasion my wireless (using a PCI card) gets really flaky. I do a ping -t google.com in the command line and watch the latency and I get a lot of time outs and high (1-3 second) pings when this is happening.
Sometimes (though usually its ok) playing games, at the same exact time, I experience huge frame drops
 
@JitendraVyas it'll be frozen, but moderators can unfreeze & the messages will still be around
 
The wireless issue seems to get remedied temporarily by reseating the wireless card (even changed slots once) but otherwise seems to come back
Any thoughts / theories on this? Probably just interference and I should get a better setup? My wireless card is going? Mobo is going / has a short? PSU doing some damage? I'm not really sure what to start investigating :)
 
Wow. Today sucks. :| I'm done.
 
@OliverSalzburg Yes you are.
@r.tanner.f With who? I hope you didn't dismember anyone... Because JB WELD is a bit expensive.
 
@Boris_yo Lucky for them they're all miles and miles away.
Citrix and Century Link are on my list though.
 
6:31 PM
@r.tanner.f But you could send EMP brainwave to shut them down?
 
@r.tanner.f today really does suck a lot
just remember my rule
bad news comes in threes
if you've already received 3 bad things, the worst is over and it'll start to get better
if you've only received 2, brace yourself
 
@ToddersLegrande How about trying with different wireless card to see if router is the cause.
 
Xbox, Laptop, and Surface all work fine
I may or may not have another card to try... worth a test I suppose
 
@ToddersLegrande Updating its drivers? Firmware at most? Use Windows? How about Safe-Mode? Using any non-Windows wireless connection management tool?
@ToddersLegrande Can you PING on those?
 
Was on Windows 7 64 bit, just upgraded to Windows 8 two nights ago and I'm still having problems. Going out to the official site for driver and firmware updates is probably a good idea. Router firmware might be a good idea too
Haven't tried safe mode
 
6:37 PM
@allquixotic Lucky Number Sleven is one of my favorite movies =D
 
@ToddersLegrande Try non-Windows wireles connection manager. If your card is Intel, then it has separate manager as optional install. RealTek has often its own manager.
 
(I'm assuming that's where that comes from)
Also I think I'm up to a dozen now?
 
@r.tanner.f With "Riddler"?
 
@Boris_yo but I purposely don't install those because I hate them D:<
Definitely something to try though! :D
 
@r.tanner.f i don't think my advice stems from a movie... either the movie borrowed it, or the person i learned it from, borrowed it from the movie
 
6:39 PM
@ToddersLegrande I don't like them but they sometimes show things Windows' integrated wireless connection manager won't. I hated when one caused system confusion and I had to remove it and then activate Windows built-in manager.
 
Interesting. I'll definitely check that out as well then
 
@Boris_yo those custom connection managers sometimes also contain driver-like functionality (WPA, for example) which can make all the difference
they can also cause the system to hang or BSOD :D
 
WiFi is broken; don't use it, man! Don't use it!
 
@allquixotic Bludgeoning System Of Death
 
6:41 PM
the entire WiFi ecosystem and all devices participating in it are fully, fundamentally, irreversibly broken unless they completely scrap all WiFi related hardware and technology and start over using extremely strict standards with zero opportunity for deviation and operate on a licensed/controlled spectrum frequency
but since they aren't willing to do any of that, it's basically a joke technology, like "ha ha, we enjoy making the lives of millions of people miserable"
 
@allquixotic Ahhh... now I'm having idealistic daydreams.
 
@allquixotic I will need some time to process that statement. But I take it is various drivers that caused big system shake?
 
@allquixotic Mostly it's "pay us thousands for our working proprietary systems" or GTFO
 
@Boris_yo no, it basically comes down to a few factors:
 
@r.tanner.f Problem > reaction > solution.
 
6:43 PM
one, vendor extensions (hardware and software) which are incompatible with other software or devices that lack the extensions or implement them a different way
 
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two, the very poor (physical) radio design of WiFi which is unnecessarily sensitive to interference and polarization, two things we know how to mitigate extremely well with other radio protocols
three, drivers and hardware manufactured by people who value cost savings over doing it right, leading to tons of implementation errors that make it an absolute miracle when anything related to WiFi actually works
 
Ok well I have some leads now so thanks for the tips and the lesson on how awful WiFi really is :D
 
if you get it working, great, but just know that having unreliability in WiFi is about as common as having cheese on pizza
 
haha good deal
Thanks again. Ciao.
 
6:48 PM
if you want an example of a radio protocol that's fundamentally the same physical type of communication (radio waves) that actually works, check out for example cellular 3G or, better, 4G (LTE).... compare and contrast the physical characteristics, the protocol characteristics, the licensing model of the spectrum, and therein lie the reasons why WiFi sucks and cellular data doesn't
 
@allquixotic So you vote for wireless broadband I take.
 
Yeah... ever since we got 4G here I haven't used my WiFi. It's too slow unless I'm 2 feet from my router.
 
@r.tanner.f I wonder if Israel has it... nah...
 
@Boris_yo definitely, and I think it would be possible to design a wireless protocol for short ranged, home use that's based on the same radio principles as cellular broadband
 
@allquixotic If nearby cellular tower can offer cellular network then why won't it offer wireless broadband?
I think apparently my router is for corporate use:
 
6:52 PM
"cellular broadband" and "wireless broadband" are the same as far as I'm using them, the point is they are not using WiFi specifically, they are using something related to GSM or CDMA
Frequency-hopping spread spectrum (FHSS) is a method of transmitting radio signals by rapidly switching a carrier among many frequency channels, using a pseudorandom sequence known to both transmitter and receiver. It is utilized as a multiple access method in the frequency-hopping code division multiple access (FH-CDMA) scheme. A spread-spectrum transmission offers three main advantages over a fixed-frequency transmission: # Spread-spectrum signals are highly resistant to narrowband interference. The process of re-collecting a spread signal spreads out the interfering signal, ca...
 
@allquixotic How do GSM and CDMA differ from WiFi health safety vise?
 
@Boris_yo they don't really; the amount of electromagnetic energy involved in them both is very similar (depending on how close you are to a cell tower / wifi access point)
 
@allquixotic Then I assume it is safer to have 50 meters away cellular tower than WiFi router in next room?
 
what I was trying to say about WiFi's physical layer being inferior to other protocols (e.g. Bluetooth, LTE) is that WiFi is not based on some sort of CDMA/FHSS scheme
actually since Bluetooth is already based on FHSS, they could just make a new revision to bluetooth that continues using the FHSS physical layer, but enhances the data rate, and it'd be basically what WiFi never was
Bluetooth recently (2010) published a protocol revision that actually integrates WiFi technology into Bluetooth for higher bit rates, ironically. I think they should have stayed with their existing technology and just upped the bit rate
 

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