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5:00 PM

@Wipqozn What do you craft?

@OrigamiRobot My Engineer has Jeweler/Leatherworker. I'm also leveling up Tailor and Cooking on other characters.

I am bummed about crafting :(

@OrigamiRobot why?

crafting is the fastest way to level

@pixel Because everyone can make everything.

@OrigamiRobot your point?

5:04 PM

The demand for crafted goods is only driven by laziness.

@OrigamiRobot how is this different from any other MMO?

everybody given enough effort can craft everything in pretty much any MMO

And I don't like that.

what I did was craft stuff, salvage it, sell the stuff from salvaging, craft more stuff, salvage it...

@OrigamiRobot some of the recipes require you to do certain things in the world to get

those will be rarer

especially outside of the group of people who got 100% world completion

in fact, all of the high level ones

I'd rather be able to profit of the things I craft instead of the materials.

@OrigamiRobot you are looking for reasons to dislike the game

5:07 PM

Someone give us a topic for this 10-minute writing thing.

@GnomeSlice cake

What's a 10 minute writing thing?

First thing off your head. A little more robust than 'cake' though, if you would. :P

The Overlook Hotel

General discussion for writing.stackexchange.com. Writing exer...

Writers chat is doing a little thing they do every now and then.

Is lolita ageplay

@Gwen ...What?

Seriously, someone give us a topic! :)

5:09 PM

I did!

@pixel No, I just like the idea of crafting and economy in games. After learning about the trading post, I was hoping crafting would meet that. It does not.

Lolita is a style of fashion, loosely speaking

@Gwen Oh... uhm... I don't think any of us know enough about that, sorry.

That makes it even better

I do but that seems more of a discussion topic than a writing topic.

5:10 PM

Because then it'd be strictly objective

All I can think of is women and video games.

"Are women overly sexualized in video games"

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@Gwen what have you done NO

The writing thing is more for novel-writing / short story writing.

@GnomeSlice Different levels of infinity.

5:11 PM

ooooooh

@Gwen Not sure how many games the writers people play.

okay

Do you see that thing in the room topic?

See, I assumed it was more of a discussion thing

Indie Royale Winter Bundle: Greed Corp, Hamlet, BIT.TRIP RUNNER, Conquest of Elysium 3, Leave Home, and They Breathe

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5:12 PM

@badp Oh, why is Lara Croft in the topic?

than a write thing

@Ullallulloo AH, GREED CORP.

Shouldn't this writing stuff be talked about in the Overlook, not here?

@Gwen I had meant to fix that earlier but I guess I wasn't very direct about it, sorry about that.

@Ullallulloo Oh man, I'd completely, 100% forgotten about They Breathe.

5:13 PM

(I don't consider lolita to necessarily be ageplay)

It doesn't look particularly engaging though...

"What is winter like in your dystopian future?"

@Gwen "cold"

@Gwen Perfect!

@SaintWacko I don't think I want to live in yours then

5:15 PM

@Gwen You'd prefer to live in a southern hemispheric dystopian future?

@OrigamiRobot are you level 26 yet?

That moment when you're brought to equip your rocket launcher against a super badass maniac

only to find out that even your biggest baddest rocket launcher does chump damage against that ungodly beast

@SaintWacko My dystopian future is a scorched wasteland

@Gwen It'd still have seasons, though, wouldn't it?

@badp "Oops."

Some things in playthrough 2 just have too much health

5:22 PM

@SaintWacko Hot, hotter, hot, hot and wet

hooray finally got enthusiast haha so hard! Also the validity of gaming.stackexchange.com/q/95019/18146 question is a bit fuzzy, Its still useful, has an answer and is gaming related.

ok

time for christmas party

Invader Skoodge

@pixel Is that going to be more fun than GW2?

@InvaderSkoodge no, I don't get on with a fair few of the people going

so yes, I would choose GW2 over Christmas Party

especially since this is the third christmas party I've been to so far with this company, this year

Nooooo!

5:25 PM

I've been to the development team christmas party

the implementation team christmas party

I missed a day, and it reset my consecutive counter :(

and now today I'm going to the support team christmas party

@SaintWacko /violin

182 days, 182 consecutive

hah @pixel where do you work with all these christmas parties

@Brian some software company

Meeting didn't really start and I decided to get lunch, then tried to help a co-worker fix her web browsers.

5:27 PM

our development team drank their christmas party budget

Woo. My watch arrived. \o/

our implementation team went for a nice meal, and drank the rest

I imagine a bigger one, I work at a software company and i only get 1 christmas party

Now I can actually eat lunch \o/

@Brian its a reasonably small one

<1000 employees

but based in 7 countries

5:27 PM

oh well mine is <30 hah

They cancelled our offsite Christmas party this year (that I usually skip), but we still have our holiday Luncheon on the 18th.

there is a fourth christmas party

where the whole company goes to London

but us that work up north have to go to London after work, take part, and then be back up here by 9am the following day

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Q: only one weapon type per aircraft?

Veterans will recall that old skool Interceptors could be armed with two distinct weapon types, traditionally a stand-off tickler and a close-in sledgehammer. I just upgraded my Interceptor weaponry for the first time and was surprised to discover that it seems you can only have one weapon type a...

xcom-enemy-unknown

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Q: What are the gameplay differences between the factions?

I'd like to avoid remaking my character since it would result in me losing anything I unlock, so before I decide on a faction I'd like to know what the gameplay differences between each of them are. What are the gameplay differences between the factions?

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Q: Do Microsoft still make a Wireless XBox 360 Controller for the PC?

I'm sure I read somewhere that Microsoft have stopped producing Wireless XBox 360 Controllers for PCs, but I can't find anything about it now? I've looked on Amazon and all I could find was this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HZFCT2/ But the reviews seem to agree that it's actually a fake, and n...

pc controllers wireless-controllers

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Q: Draw something app shuts automatically when I click on "my turn"

I've tried rebooting my iPhone, but that hasn't Helped.

anyway

gotta go

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@Lazers I forget, do we actually do tech-support questions?

@Lazers Yes, but it's sold with the controller.

amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Controller-Windows/dp/…

5:30 PM

oh goddammit

@badp Eh?

@Powerlord Seems like a question about the game to me.

@Powerlord I just threw all grenades I had times two at super mega bad guy and then he hit me with one rocket and I died

Now he's back at full health

So if there's somebody with mega overpowered weaponry of any sorts, I'd really appreciate their health

@badp "health" or "help"? :P

@Lazers Too localized in time, I suspect.

5:33 PM

@Powerlord both really

it'd be enough if the damn thing wasn't brought back to full health when I died

@RedRiderX Haha, No worries man glad you like it! :)

is sporting his gamedev SE shirt today

any has one tried this? buy.thegameklip.com

makes me want an android phone...

Indie Gala 11 unlocks everything.

(The superbad being Smash Head)

@Jin I shall refuse to click it then as I do not have an android :)

5:37 PM

@Jin You can get a case for the iPhone that has controller grips on it too.

@GnomeSlice but will it work with iphone though? do i have to jailbreak?

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@Jin I think it's just a case you put it in, it doesn't have any buttons or anything like that one does.

@James It's to connect a PS3 DualShock 3 controller to an Android

@GnomeSlice Haha that looks awesome. It needs to have video out though so it can connect to a TV

Which I guess is most of the thing.

5:38 PM

i need some ideas for my wife's xmas gifts..

i hate this time of the year

@Jin What does she like?

@Gwen me?

i think

The question will be closed in any way since closing questions make people feel good :). But maybe someone has links to comparisons / tests i'm interested in before question is closed. — Eye of Hell 24 mins ago

And this is why questions need closing.

"Quick, give me an answer to a question that's not really acceptable before it's closed!"

@Jin Dude, you can't get her another one of you :P

@James the world can't handle two of me

5:42 PM

not enough bacon resources

@Jin If she's sentimental and likes you, maybe a nice picture of the two of you

Unless she's sick of staring at you all the time

we give each other a list of stuff we want. she got my presents a month ago already.

i feel bad

i'm getting some nice stuff this year, mostly anime figures...

Wait, if you have a list, why are you asking?

@Jin You could get her some lingerie worn by certain video game characters.

5:45 PM

@Gwen those are "boring" gift list. i want some nice surprises.

@GnomeSlice I think I'll gift those to my Mesmer instead...

@Jin I'm not familiar with that term.

@GnomeSlice GW2

@Krazer Oh, so what I meant was 'I don't care about that term'. :P

i'm most excited about this: hlj.com/product/KBYKP-189 and amazon.com/Soul-Chogokin-GX-60-Action-Figure/dp/B004UPILRA

ANyone own a Wii U ??

5:47 PM

@Jin Well, could we have an idea of what's on the 'boring' list so we can get extrapolate?

@James What do you need?

@Gwen clothes, bath stuff

@Krazer Wondering on a scale of 1 to 10 how much of a Wii (useless) it will be

Cute organiser/shelves? coupon/voucher to a day-spa, a nice perfume, jewellery

@James I don't follow Dx

5:52 PM

@Krazer ?

It's backwards compatible and all with the Wii games, it's almost like a wii you can take on the go to other rooms, but the launch library is a bit lacking imo.

@Krazer as was the Wii.. Ive seen a few games that look worth it but well, that is how the Wii sucked me in too

@James which games pique your interest?

@James It doesn't play Gamecube games.

@pixel I am at work. I get off in 4 hours.

5:55 PM

@Krazer Mario of course, and that lego game coming out at the end of the month.

I also have always wanted to Try a pikmin game but I never seem to, hehe

@James If you're interested, Overlord on the PC is very similar

@SaintWacko Yay Overlord! \o/

@SaintWacko Own them for the 360 and figured it was about that

Speaking of which, Overlord, its expansion (Raising Hell), and Overlord 2 go on sale basically every Steam sale, so look for it during the holiday sale in 3 weeks or so.

@Powerlord I don't think I've actually played Overlord. Overlord 2 is fun, though

5:59 PM

@SaintWacko The UI's not as polished as 2 is, but it's still pretty good.

@James If you see a game that you really want then by all means, right now I think it's best to wait to see if there are games that make good use of the tablet, otherwise I don't see much reason to get one... I like Mighty Switch Force, But that's an eShop game.

Although there is one section in the expansion where you essentially have to use a gamepad due to how buggy the mouse controls are for this one game mechanic.

(for a mechanic that is used in one spot the entire game)

Do any of you guys have a problem with the new Game On intro screen we've been using?

Because I never finished it and Ronan has been using the half-finished one.

@Krazer My biggest fear is they are putting so much effort into that controller.. and seem to be forcibly attempting to make this system Not a party-game only system like the Wii is

@James They're trying to capitalize on the fact that they have the most powerful system at the moment.

Although rumor has it we'll see a new Xbox next year... no clue about Sony, though.

6:02 PM

@James Nintendo really needs to work on making sure third parties can make decent games.

95% of the games for Wii were shovelware, and blatant cash grabs.

@James I think it's it the opposite with the ne tablet controller, it feels more like a party console with a lot of potential (like with the D&D Wii-U idea the guys at Penny Arcade made)

@Powerlord Rumors are the new PS will be able to run that game engine from Square

@Krazer You mean except for the fact that no game exists that makes use of multiples of those controllers?

So much so that they are not even selling them separately in the NoA region?

@James The Hallways™ system?

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@James AFAIK you aren't supposed to have more than one? Or maybe I read that wrong.

@James Thus my reasoning behind waiting a bit before buying

6:05 PM

@AshleyNunn Nothing uses more than one right now

@James They intend for only one player to use it. Watch the GameGrumps videos of NintendoLand if you want to see how that works.

@Powerlord Dunno.. Just some info I gleaned from job interviews and people working on their next gen game engines :)

Is that hurricane still going?

@Powerlord Yeah so the main draw of the console is for a single person only right now.. hence the system being very confusing :D

@James I think it only supports one tablet controller, which is silly.

6:07 PM

@GnomeSlice You. Download KSP .18.

@James From what I recall of an interview, the WiiU's not powerful enough to connect more than 2 tablets anyway.

Call of Duty can apparently be played by one person on the tablet, and another on the television with the remote and nunchuk.

@fbueckert It's huge man.

@GnomeSlice Don't you go to school? Use their internet.

I'll try later, I've been having a lot of 'stuff' at home lately.

lol, the boss of my entire floor just walked by saying "You've got me running around like a mouse looking for cheese!" to his assistant.

(and when I say floor, I should point out that he's my boss's boss's boss)

6:09 PM

I should get KSP

Does it ever go on sale?

@Powerlord yay vertical organizations

@SaintWacko No, but it goes up in price as features are added!

@fbueckert Bah

handy when the blame needs passin' down

@fbueckert So what's new in 1.8?

6:10 PM

@GnomeSlice TONS.

Docking.

Flight planning.

@badp It's government, what do you expect?

Entire system re-vamp.

@Powerlord Multiple controllers are for sale in Japan.

@fbueckert SICK. Not that I'd be able to dock two ships anyway.

I guess time will tell

6:11 PM

I still have to try to get to the Mun and back in the same craft.

Resource system.

Anywho, I am going to keep my order for one and just be happy with a new mario game I geussif need be

Streamlined staging.

@fbueckert KSP is pretty much at the limit for me though, I can't do much else with it because I can't build rockets with enough fuel to do anything.

Ugh, I want to get KSP, but I just bought Endless Space

6:12 PM

@fbueckert Also, have you tried the long-thin rockets yet? Are those still there in 1.8? The super-efficient ones.

@James A new Mario game is all well and good... but it's a New Super Mario Bros. game.

@GnomeSlice They replaced most of the parts.

and if you couldn't guess from how I phrased that, I tried the first NSMB game and disliked it.

I can hit Kerbin escape velocity in two stages.

And @TrentHawkins managed to build a massive freaking space station and launch it into orbit in one go.

@fbueckert D: So I can't use any of my old ships?

@fbueckert Wow, that's not fair. So there's more room on the launch pad now?

6:18 PM

@GnomeSlice Nope.

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@powerlord I dislike all the NSMB games. I did like Super Mario 3D Land, though. It was different enough. The NSMB for 3DS annoyed me, being all coin focused.

He just builds crazy junk.

@GnomeSlice Nope. They won't work any more.

Clean install required.

@AshleyNunn I skipped the other NSMB games after trying to first.

@fbueckert Oh, you can't use the updater?

Arrrhgghghgh

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And don't even get me started on the lack of Paper Mario story.

6:18 PM

@GnomeSlice Oh, you can, but it's easier to just do a clean install, since none of your old stuff will work.

I found Super Paper Mario to be a much better side-scrolling (mostly) Mario game than NSMB was.

Took me a couple hours to launch a space station core into orbit.

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i finally canceled my Eve Online subscription

@Ullallulloo I made fun of that game's name before.

6:20 PM

@fbueckert What do you mean by space station core? I got some pretty large ships into orbit before.

Do you need special parts?

@Jin ...about time!

@GnomeSlice You can now send up Kerbal-populated parts.

for the past 6 months, i've been playing Eve Offline... log on, queue up skill training, log off...

@fbueckert I mean do you need to put specific things on it for it to be a space station, or is it just a rocket.

That's what I mean by "space station core". It's basically a habitation module, with docking ports on either end.

6:21 PM

@fbueckert Oh, cool.

@GnomeSlice Oh, yeah.

They added resource transferring, too.

@Jin Fun stuff.

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@Ullallulloo that is a long name.

I'd enjoyed Eve a lot more, if I hadn't made the mistake of joining a pvp corp in nullsec...

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Q: Can I use ps plus in another country?

I was wondering if I join PS Plus in the US, will I be able to play downloaded games when I'm in another country? also, will I be able to purchase game or renew PS plus in another country? Thanks

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Q: Check current amount of online players

Is there any way (macro, script, addon, command, API method?) to check how many online players are in the realm you're connected to?

world-of-warcraft

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Q: Does the PSN+ free games require an internet connection to play on the Vita?

I'm trying to decide if I want to give the PSN+ service a try since it offers a bunch of free games. However, the only time I usually use my Vita is times where there is no network access (such as long plane rides). Do I need to maintain a constant internet connection to be able to play the fre...

psn playstation-vita

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Q: Is there any use for the new HK-51 gear that was mailed if yours already came with gear?

I understand that some people got a "naked" HK due to a bug, but mine came wearing a full set of Orange gear with blue 51 mods. Does the "HK-51's Combat Outfit" that was mailed today with patch 1.5.2 contain exactly the same items? It's BoL so I don't want to open it if I'll need it for an alt....

6:30 PM

@fbueckert Fug, the patcher can't connect to the update servers...

So your space station can have extra fuel, and if you successfully dock with it, you can transfer it's fuel to you, and keep going.

I really need a rendezvous mod; it's extremely hard to even get close to another ship.

@fbueckert It has a soundtrack now!

@GnomeSlice Yeah.

The music once you get into space is pretty awesome.

6:57 PM

I'm bored, entertain me!

Gotta love this line from my voting plugin

//TODO More voting logic

(the entire plugin is voting logic of one sort or another)

@BenBrocka Any idea why there is such a price hike between the Intel 3930K and the 3960/3970X chips? Is it just the extra 3MB of Cache?

You never have enough voting logic

Does your plugin implement STV yet?

@Powerlord My favourite code comment that I have come across was to disable lighting on particles, but the comment said: Don't Like Particles.

what if I want to vote for more than one map?

Well, I know why this comment is there... I'm porting something from C++ to SourcePawn, and I hadn't copied all the logic for that section yet.

7:13 PM

@James Dunno, I haven't shopped intel chips much

I'm also reorganizing this code now and renaming functions... and I really with SourcePawn at least supported structures even if it doesn't support classes and objects. That'd make this SO much easier.

@BenBrocka AMD?

@James Yeah, just went with one of the zambezi for my current PC

@BenBrocka Ah.. I may try them again when they can prove that their reported speeds are not bullshit again

@James Wikipedia seems to think so.

7:17 PM

@Powerlord ?

@James They have charts of all the Sandy Bridge processors.

@Powerlord Link me? :)

Although I notice now that the 3960 is being marketed as a Core i7 Extreme whereas the 3930 isn't...

Sandy Bridge (microarchitecture)

{{Infobox CPU | name = Sandy Bridge | image = Intel i7 SB 2011.png | image_size = 150px | created = January 2011 | model = Celeron Series | model1 = Pentium Series | model2 = Core i3 Series | model3 = Core i5 Series | model4 = Core i7 Series | model5 = Core i7 Extreme Series | model6 = Xeon E3 Series | model7 = Xeon E5 Series | cores = 1–4 (2–8) | cores1 = 4–6 (8–12) (Extreme) | cores2 = 2–8 (4–16) (Xeon) | transistors = 504M 32nm (Q0) | transistors1 = 624M 32nm (J1) | transistors2 = 1,160M 32nm (D2) | transistors3 = 1,270M 32nm {M0, M1) | transistors4 = 2,270M 32nm (C1, C2) | clock = 1.60 ...

@Powerlord THe Extremes used to be the hex core CPUs, the 3930 seems to also be a hexcore

Well, they also have links in that chart to the Intel site (although the 3970 is missing from it)

7:20 PM

@BenBrocka I look at both every time I build a new machine. AMD has been my choice each time. I think Intel is starting to have more competitive pricing now, though.

Intel Comparison of the 3930 and 3960

@Powerlord Thanks, for how smart he intel people are there site has always been a pain in the utter ass to find information that is useful beyond a marketing point on it.

This is awesome

@SaintWacko Chocolate?

@Powerlord Bacon.

7:24 PM

@Powerlord Well, that too, but I set up security on my work computer

I unlock it with my fingerprint, and it uses a bluetooth connection with my phone to automatically lock it when I walk away

@SaintWacko Just get an RFID implant.

@OrigamiRobot That would be cool

Not sure why L4D2 has an Alltalk vote option built into the game, but TF2 doesn't. >:/

@fbueckert Whoa, there's a whole website for KSP addons now.

@GnomeSlice Yup, the spaceport.

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7:33 PM

@saintwacko that is some pretty cool security.

@SaintWacko So what happens if your phone isn't in bluetooth range when you unlock it?

@OrigamiRobot ...really? They're still >3x the price, plus more expensive motherboards. Better performance, but 2x theoretical performance isn't worth >3x the price, plus the fact that my current proc runs everything fine

@Powerlord Yup, pretty much does come down to the amount of Cache they have being the only difference.. Thanks :)

@BenBrocka I said more competitive pricing. It used to be like 10x cost for 2x theoretical performance.

@OrigamiRobot Oh, that is impressive then. I haven't looked at processors for years.

7:44 PM

I haven't built a new machine in like 4-5 years so I haven't really dug into the subject.

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