Android Enthusiasts - 2012-10-31

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7:23 PM

@Mitch Who says "tight" is better? To me, "higher quality" means no more than "better", and I doubt whether tightness is actually good.

in English Language & Usage, 2 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Are you seriously asking me to define "poor quality" in terms of physical construction of an object? What does your common sense tell you? As for evidence, I have seen many things where, eg, the workmanship of the exterior correlated with the quality of the interior. Shitty portable cassette players that broke after a few months of use, while their sturdier counterparts kept playing for years. etc.

I do not trust common sense very much in this.

For certain objects, tightness may correlate with longevity, i.e. not breaking.

But in phones?

Especially because breaking glass due to a drop is probably the commonest problem, I'm not so sure.

@RegDwighт And welcome, Androwl!

Oh, oh, oh, plays on words.

How many times has the NANDroid picture been posted here yet?

No idea...

First time I am here.

And Nandroid is a kind of back-up you make on Android systems.

Then I will go with the default value, OVER 9042.

That seems a bit high for a default value.

Why not over 9000?

> The Nexus 4 I’m using is running on T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network (which can hit speeds as high as 42 mbps), and here in San Francisco service has been both reliable and fast for me over the last day.

Why do people want LTE so bad if they can get really good speeds on 3G like this?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus marketing

7:32 PM

My home connection only gets 6 Mb/s on Speedtest anyway.

@Cerberus see, 42.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK, so you agree it is a bit bs?

Also, 9042 is over 9000. No idea what you're complaining about.

@RegDwighт Wow. You are prophetic.

That's how I rowl.

7:33 PM

Hoot to that!

You can leave your hoot on.

I haven't any hoots or hooters.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Well, the LTE networks are the next generation of networks. Even carriers with HSPA are switching to some kind of "LTE". But as for expected performance, I have no idea. I haven't really been following it since it's not personally relevant to me.

So are we taking this room by storm now or what? Incomprehensible 2.0?

No regulars around.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Same here, but I get the impression that most normal people probably won't notice that much of a difference between good 3G and 4G.

@RegDwighт Yeah! Plant the flag!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:36 PM

@RegDwighт If we do that, we'll need to change the RSS feeds. I can't stand inline posts. So annoying.

Take your pick.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Add to that the fact that 3G will probably have better coverage the next couple of years. The only thing I wonder about is the difference between a fairly bad 3G connection and a fairly bad 4G connection, like in the train: will the 4G perform much better under those circumstances?

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This shall work as an ad hoc solution.

That's nice. Except the symbols of death and violence.

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Quit whining and salute.

7:39 PM

Yay!

De driekleur!

The dirty what?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Cerb's flag!

Stickers don't count.

Die Dreifarbe!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Now I'm hungry.

@Cerberus Dreck is German for dirt, filth. English, too.

And you are looking for die Tricolore, except that that's reserved for the French flag.

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7:42 PM

@RegDwighт Drek.

@Cerberus argh... it's obvious that tightness = sturdiness is correlated with being well built.

@RegDwighт The enemy! To arms!

also, whatever you phone is, it sucks.

@Mitch What does "well built" mean?

@Mitch !

@Cerberus you should have used orange to prevent friendly fire.

7:42 PM

@Cerberus it's intentionally vague. it is always self supporting.

Pah, I believe our flag is much older than that of the Frogs.

Ours is from the 16th century, probably, and their from the 18th century, I think.

So you're saying you're waiting for them to steal the orange, too?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Now Now, let's not say things we can't take back

there are some engineering instances where rigidity is a negative, but not most.

@Mitch Then it gets -1 points!

7:43 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh. I'm just being...what's the word...

argumentative?

inflammatory?

@RegDwighт They always steal our things. They already took parts of the southern Netherlands.

just for fun of course.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch You insulted the man's phone!

Allons enfants de la Oraaa-ange, le jour de gloire est arrivé !

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 !!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:44 PM

Also my phone too!

anything is ok but that is off limits!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

since it's the same kind

@Mitch Like in buildings that need to withstand an earthquake, right? And how about in phones that need to survive a drop?

actually my own phone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch what do you have?

7:45 PM

@RegDwighт Huh, quoi? Qu'est-ce que c'est, ça?

@Cerberus la Dutchellaise.

@Cerberus exactly. and that is a matter of stiffness, not rigidity, or dynamic bending, having resistance.

Ah.

Is that where they sing "de la France"?

too much play can result in reinforcing frequencies, like the Tacoma narrows bridge.

@Mitch Uhh...

7:46 PM

@Cerberus de la Patrie. Shame on you.

I would have expected you to know the full lyrics.

and to make this relevant to phones. The (put the name of your phone here) has shatter proof glass like the Tacoma narrows bridge stands still.

La Marseillaise

"La Marseillaise" (English: "The Song of Marseille"; ) is the national anthem of France. The song, originally titled "Chant de guerre pour l'Armée du Rhin" (English: "War Song for the Army of the Rhine") was written and composed by Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle in 1792. The French National Convention adopted it as the Republic's anthem in 1795. The name of the song is due to first being sung on the streets by volunteers from Marseille. The song is the first example of the "European march" anthemic style. The anthem's evocative melody and lyrics have led to its widespread use as a song ...

@Mitch As I said, anything is possible—but you can't simply tell how the glass in your screen is going to hold up in a fall based on a shallow "feel" of the plastic in the exterior.

@RegDwighт Ah, right. Somehow, I rarely sing the M.

@Cerberus That surely is not scientific I'll grant.

also, the grammar in my sentieces I will use in OSV order...from now on.

@Cerberus yes, Judy Dench is very serious about people not singing.

7:48 PM

@Cerberus La Arseillaise?

@Mitch Exactly what I said earlier: the glass will shatter anyway if you drop it the wrong way. The only thing that helps is some flexible materials around the glass, and a frame that is higher than the glass itself, so that the frame takes the blow when the phone falls face-down flat on a floor. But I don't think tightness or stiffness will do any good—on the contrary, perhaps.

@Mitch Less, even.

@RegDwighт We both know I don't know who that is.

@Mitch Daily.

Archons, Archons !
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons !

Nay, hourly.

Yuck.

Haha.

7:51 PM

I'd laugh but I still don't get the 'not singing the 'M' thing. Judy Dench plays 'M' in the latest James Bond movies.

@Cerberus Judy Dench plays the secret agent M, James Bond's boss. Obviously when you work for the MI6 you're not expected to sing, in the meaning "confess under interrogation".

in English Language & Usage, Feb 23 '11 at 15:14, by Kosmonaut

I like to tell myself that if you have to explain it, it means it was sophisticated.

Sophisticated.

Now explain what Cerb meant.

@Mitch Cerberus original M was short for "Marseillaise".

He's a lazy dog.

@Mitch The Marseillaise as a whole, I meant.

fast

7:53 PM

Jinx.

And you're lazy for not looking at the immediate context.

I'm lazy for not thinking.

back to phones.

Yours sucks.

@RegDwighт Ah, like a bird.

So. Now let's star each other's messages, then we'll start getting badges on the main site.

I understand now.

7:53 PM

What is the main site here anyway?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch you never told us what phone you have

I knew M was someone from James Bond, but I forgot who.

Thank you for the assault on my eyes.

YOu haven't picked up your kids yet either.

7:54 PM

Lime green on light grey.

Oops!! I almost used whom incorrectly!! And Reg is a silly bird that sings the M.

I can't even read it.

bettern yellow on white

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch No. But I am still coding. For 7 more minutes.

Oh OK.

my phone is...

7:55 PM

@Cerberus there's your badge.

Oh, no...

I used to have, what was it? one of those cell phone things, not even smart.

Oops, I changed my starred line...

I can change it back.

No!

7:56 PM

and it doesn't update (your starred line) the chat item does but not the starred thing

And your line is unreadable.

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I used to use that phone model.

> and it doesn't update (your starred line): the chat item does, but not the starred thing

Only in lime green.

@RegDwighт Haha.

7:57 PM

And I'm not sure it had the coat of arms.

I could look it up though, it's still in my place in Moscow.

Unless my mom threw it away.

Haha wtf.

Hammer and sickle.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So there are 6 phones on my desk.

The only ones I am actually satisfied with are the two nexii.

Stop it! Not here, not now!

@Cerberus I beg your pardon?

State Emblem of the Soviet Union

The State Emblem of the Soviet Union (, Gosudarstvennyiy gerb SSSR) was adopted in 1923 and was used until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Although it technically is an emblem rather than a coat of arms, since it does not follow heraldic rules, in Russian it is called герб (transliteration: gerb), the word used for a traditional coat of arms. History First version (1923–1936) The project of the first version of the state emblem was accepted on July 6, 1923 by the 2nd session of the Central Executive Committee (CIK) of the USSR and the version was completed on September 22 o...

That's when I started learning languages.

15, count them. 15.

@RegDwighт I expressed by delighted surprise at seeing hammer and sickle on a phone.

8:01 PM

Anyway, I think it is now that this room has been annected for good.

Haha.

Indeed.

In Soviet Androidland, rooms annect you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

annect?

The OED claims that's obsolete, cerb. Just like you, and your phone.

Hey it's my word.

No giving cred to Cer in this room.

@Cerberus I don't see no hammer and sickle on the phone.

@Mitch you need better eyes.

8:10 PM

@RegDwighт I also don't see no 15 languages. I see 15 small red ribbon thingies, that's it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт hah, I didn't notice

Or a bigger phone.

@Mitch so you do need better eyes.

@RegDwighт you need better...

bigger pictures.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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8:11 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 better eyes for everyone.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

^ bigger phone

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 thank you for the explanation.

I would have never guessed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You're welcome.

This is now the fourth most active room on the entire network. Way ahead of ELU.

@RegDwighт I don't see Samoyed. or Chukchi.

8:12 PM

@Mitch so?

I don't see Newspeak in your coat of arms, either.

Or plain English, for that matter.

Always some Latin crap.

@RegDwighт exactly. oh you mean they're all dead? everyone I knew in 1984 is dead too.

@RegDwighт Hey!

Anyway, that's enough activity for this room. Back to dormant mode.

2 hours later…

9:55 PM

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This is Disk Usage.

Awesome!

You can pinch to zoom vertically to zoom in vertically, and horizontally to zoom in horizontally, so that results look wider.

The perfect disk-usage application!

Especially together with Solid Explorer, which is the best file explorer ever.

I am truly impressed by the two.

2 hours later…

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:47 PM

@RegDwighт nonsense :)

Hear, hear.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I do hate e-mails that make me doubt my own sanity.

Just to make sure, providing GUI differences, it's possible to just... include a normal java library in an android app and it "should" just work, yes? (I think I know the answer, but this e-mail is just making my brain explode)

(And yes, SO has a number of answers around this. This question is just so trivial that ::shudder:: I wouldn't care for the downvotes)

Or is this something for the SO room?

(I wish I could help, but I know nothing of these things you speak of.)

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